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Right, Bush has always classified Kerry's military service as commendable, and even said it was "more heroic" than his own. 3rd party ads are a different story. The Republican ticket uses the candidates' records, the Democrats take personal cheapshots...not suprising. The fact that the SBVT folks have done what they have, and this new Sinclair Broadcasting idea, are undeniably sickening... However, Bush has been very respectful of Kerry's service personally...and Kerry/Edwards have made the lesbian comments outright, and is thus even more wrong on that level. Maybe these lesbian remarks should have been left to a moveon.org ad... Snuff, I might be a little drunk (4 beers in 40 minutes will do that to ya), but I find myself liking you more and more. I dunno what the hell you did, but you've really sort of turned into the Libertarian you've always claimed you were. Sorry to have doubted you. I dunno why this is relevant to the discussion at hand, but I'm bored and I felt like typing that. Go Team Self-Esteem. There are a few things I disagree with the Libertarian Party on, most importantly being the need for a higher minimum wage. My feelings that Bush has made far too many mistakes, and that is why I have departed from my own party this year to work for the Kerry/Edwards campaign....but things like the Cheney daughter comments, and Edwards saying Kerry can cure everything are really frustrating for me... I dont like propaganda bullshit on any level, and that includes SBVT and moveon.org...Id include F-911, but I havent even bothered to watch it yet. And I dont like taking shots at a man's family like tonight/VP debate...its senseless and wrong, especially considering how respectful Bush/Cheney have been in this regards... And, I feel Bush/Cheney are very wrong, but I have tried to maintain respect for their positions and their personal character. Unfortunately, doing this around my fellow Kerry/Edwards supporters has often gotten me in trouble

Damn Yankees

A Perfect Circle - Imagine (Its not as good as the original, or Neil Youngs 9-11 cover, but Im diggin this)

Homeless man's Shane Douglas...

Actually he beat Manuel Calvo after his Barrera fight. Yes, that would be the one fight that I mentioned in that post... Calvo, a complete bum, was frowned upon by HBO, and their unwillingness to allow Hamed to continue fighting losers like that is one of the many reasons why hes not fighting these days.

Right, Bush has always classified Kerry's military service as commendable, and even said it was "more heroic" than his own. 3rd party ads are a different story. The Republican ticket uses the candidates' records, the Democrats take personal cheapshots...not suprising. The fact that the SBVT folks have done what they have, and this new Sinclair Broadcasting idea, are undeniably sickening... However, Bush has been very respectful of Kerry's service personally...and Kerry/Edwards have made the lesbian comments outright, and is thus even more wrong on that level. Maybe these lesbian remarks should have been left to a moveon.org ad...

Is she that stupid 'comedian'?

Bring up Cheney's daughter is pretty much on the same level as questioning Kerry's military career, imo... Both are disgusting and pathetic. EVERY American deserves their unalienable rights, and EVERY veteran deserves proper respect. Bringing up an opponent's family to support your own case is disturbing and wrong...yet another ugly moment in this campaign of fear and loathing...

Wow...Kerry even narrowly won such a Republican-heavy poll...

And terrorism.

'Brick' and 'Rockin The Suburbs' were both very good singles...the songs are also the complete opposite of each other (Brick being rather sad and RTS being funny and dancey) I also really enjoy "Still Fightin It"

Bob Dylan - Tangled Up In Blue (live)

That seems like a pretty good theme song to me, actually.

Also depends on if you wre just 'smoking up'...

With Kerry apparently harnassing the ability to raise the dead and cure everything...maybe Dayton was trying to avoid a scourge of Zombies... In any case, Im sure it was a Left Wing Conspiracy.

Yeah...the Incubus one was their latest realese..."Fucking" is a part of the chorus in the first single. No censorship. The Pearl Jam is from "Live On Two Legs' and a few bootlegs...covers of Neil Young's "Fuckin Up" go uncensored. Theres others too...basically, if its not rap or metal, it will probably slide.

From lp.org Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik was arrested on Friday, Oct. 8, when he crossed a police line in a planned political protest at the St. Louis, Mo., debate between President George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry. Badnarik was attempting to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) with a court order from an Arizona Superior Court judge. The judge had ordered a representative from the CPD to appear in court to prove that a debate scheduled for Wednesday, Oct. 13, does not constitute special treatment for the Democrats and Republicans. Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb also crossed the police line to demand access to the St. Louis debate, and was arrested. The two candidates were placed in handcuffs and taken to jail where they spent several hours before being released. A few area residents who were simply trying to get home when they crossed the police lines were also arrested, witnesses said. Badnarik was charged with two misdemeanor offenses -- trespassing and "refusing a reasonable request from a police officer" -- and was released without bond. His court appearance for the charges is scheduled for December, and Stephen Gordon, communications director for the Badnarik campaign, said the candidate "hasn't decided whether he is going to contest the charge." Earlier Friday, the Badnarik campaign had announced that either he would debate Kerry and Bush in St. Louis or he would go to jail. "A majority of Americans say that I should be included in the events sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates," Badnarik said in the announcement. "And the CPD, as a non-profit, has received special treatment from government on the requirement that they be non-partisan in their activities." But the CPD hasn't been non-partisan, Badnarik continued, saying that "bi-partisan" is not the same thing as "non-partisan." "Unless I am allowed to participate, the debates become a massive campaign contribution to two of the candidates, illegal under the very campaign finance laws those two candidates have passed and signed as senator and president," he said. "We'd have preferred to see John Kerry and George Bush stand up like men to debate the issues facing America," Gordon said. "However, they have interposed the machinery of government between the American people and the honest debate which must precede any honest election. Now it's up to patriots like Michael Badnarik to force the issue." The third Bush-Kerry debate, to be held at Arizona State University in Tempe, Ariz., is scheduled for Wednesday, Oct. 13. Libertarians in Arizona filed a lawsuit Oct. 1, claiming that the state constitution prohibits donations of taxpayer money to corporations like the CPD. As a public university -- funded by tax money -- the university should not contribute to the debate, the Libertarian Party of Arizona's lawsuit claims. "There are three candidates on the ballot in Arizona [bush, Kerry and Badnarik], and the university -- in collusion with an allegedly non-partisan, allegedly non-profit organization, is spending about $2 million to publicize the views of only two of them.," Gordon said. On Oct. 8, Arizona Superior Court Judge Pendleton Gaines issued an "Order to Show Cause," calling for representatives of the university and the CPD "to show why a restraining order against the debate should not issue," said Jason Auvenshine, chairman of the Arizona LP. University representatives have said they plan to use money from private grants and other non-public sources to fund the debate, which is expected to cost between $2 million and $2.5 million. As such, it wouldn't be publicly funded, they maintain. But the Tempe, Ariz., City Council sent $20,000 to the university to be used for the debate, so public funds would still be used for the debate, Gordon said. The Libertarians will also show the judge a letter signed by the co-chairmen of the CPD, stating that the university had spent "substantial resources on preparation." The order was successfully served to the university by Joel Beckwith, a Badnarik supporter in Arizona. Staff members from the Libertarian Party's national headquarters in Washington D.C. were able to serve the court order at the CPD office in DC. But later attempts to serve additional papers were rebuffed, when security officers refused to allow the Libertarians into their building or to bring CPD staff down from their office. The paperwork was left in the building, though, and that -- combined with audio recording and photographs as evidence that they attempted to serve the papers -- was enough to satisfy the judge, who agreed to hold this morning's meeting, according to David Euchner, the attorney representing the Libertarian Party of Arizona in its lawsuit. While some Libertarians disagreed with Badnarik's strategy, others said they thought his decision to cross the police line could be as significant as the civil disobedience demonstrated by Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights activists. As David T. Terry of the Libertarian Party of Oregon said, "The world has always been changed by small acts of insignificant people whose courage and commitment to principles made their acts significant. I suggest that after tonight, the two-party system will never be the same!" Libertarians are now eagerly awaiting the results of today's hearing with Judge Pendleton. "We're asking for one of two things to happen," Gordon said. "We're asking for them to either shut down the debate, or reimburse the 17,000 registered Libertarian voters in the state of Arizona -- who have paid tax money that is paying for a debate from which they will not receive any benefit." http://lp.org/lpnews/0411/arrest.html

I didnt know he still had a career to end

Im really looking forward to the Wisconsin-Purdue game.

I think we've established the lack of WMDs...did we need another new thread?

Hmmm.

I don't know, you apparently had a little red bar covering the answer. My point is that Reeve thought stem cell research could cure him. Why isn't that an outrage? It may be a stupid idea, but definitely not an insult to Reeve who believed in the idea himself. But as a campaign promise - Its stupid.

At this point, Impact is just about the only wrestling I watch anymore... Provided Im not doing anything else on a Friday afternoon, of course.

No.

I thought the Marines beat him up... This rasslin stuff is so confusing.