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I'd appreciate that, thanks. By no means would it have to be a full tape. I would accept the random obscure match review as well. Maybe a match that is better than decent but no one remembers for whatever reason.

Over the summer, I started up a new section to my website dedicated to WWE / WWF / WWWF reviews. Match reviews, show reviews, tape reviews, DVD reviews, etc. I've very much enjoyed reading the various recaps and the section has become a favorite of mine. I haven't had any new submissions in several months and just wanted to see if anyone had some laying around or if anyone would like to write one up. I'm open to just about anything. A random Spectrum or MSG show. A Raw or Smackdown. Pay-per-view. Coliseum Home Video, whatever. If anyone would like to see what's up already, here is a direct link: http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/review.htm There are some very interesting things posted that are worth the read if you have time.

The tape he was talking about came out in early 95, I believe. Shawn hosts the tape as a heel and it covers KOTR 93 vs. Crush all the way up to fall 94 when he and Diesel were tag champs. 2 hours long. Pretty good tape.

There's a HBK / Nash Vs. Waltman / Hall match on Best Hits From The Heartbreak Kid video (94 - 95). Is it the same match as the one stated above or a different one? Same match.

Papa Shango was supposed to come down and break the count as Hogan covered Sid after hitting the legdrop. He was late getting out there and thus Sid kicked out (had no choice), with Wippleman then getting on the apron, involving himself, and causing the DQ. Shango showed up a few moments thereafter.

I'm torn when it comes to Triple H and the title. If he wins at NYR, he can add some main event credibility to the WrestleMania title match. But then we're left with ANOTHER title run. And I think it's fair to say variety would be nice at this point. If he doesn't win at NYR, does the winner have what it takes to defend the world title at the biggest show of the year? The only two, at this point, who could conceivably get a 3-month run with the belt just to drop it at Mania are Edge and Benoit ... just because they have that main event heat right now. Everyone else would need more time to be seen as a worthy champion. I didn't include Orton in the mix because I still think he's walking away with the title in LA. By the way, I would have responded sooner but I spent 5 minutes hypnotized by JLH's cleavage.

I think that match at Armageddon was a sign of things to come. But do they keep the US belt on him while at the same time pushing him to the world title?

I don't think Keith is making all this up on his own. He's just going with what RSPW was saying at the time.

Ray Rougeau retired after the 90 Rumble and later returned in a broadcasting role. Jacques was repackaged as the Mountie and returned that fall. Ron Garvin stuck around until the latter part of 1990. His last match was a MSG squash in, I believe, November of that year. He went into semi-retirement afterwards.

That's arguable. Yes, there were bad parts to all those years but the WWF wasn't without faults either. 1990 through 96 were not overly successful years for either company. The Ultimate Warrior bombed as champion, WrestleMania VII was moved to a much smaller arena and, after the departure of Hulkamania, the WWF really didn't recover until 97. WCW may not have had the production value or the leadership of the WWF but they had the talent. And although you may have a moron working the booking office, you can still have great matches with Steamboat, Rude, the Steiners, Sting, Windham, Flair, Regal, Cactus, Austin, Rhodes, Benoit, Eddie, Eaton, Anderson, Liger, Pillman, etc. It basically boils down to which do you prefer, Firebreaker Chip or Bastion Booger?

I would be VERY interested to read that as well.

I'm guessing that the Raw World Champion gets the night off but is used on the show in some capacity. I'm sure many will disagree but 20 days just doesn't seem like enough time to build a pay-per-view title match right after the championship is decided.

The match was in Tacoma, WA, the same site as WCW Spring Stampede 99. I don't remember any of the fans crapping on that show.

It was April 7, 1986.

I don't recall Flair / DDP. I think it had something to do with Kim Page. IIRC, Luger knocked Bret out with the baseball bat during a main event tag match on Nitro. One of Bret's first matches back, shortly after the bout with Benoit. I don't think Havoc 99 sucked, at least not compared to all the other stinker PPVs from that year. I went to the Nitro the night after, in Phoenix, and that definately had its ups (Bret pinned Goldberg for the US belt, Benoit vs. Malenko).

The simple fact they moved from the MCI Center to the much smaller Armory is not a good sign. ... I mean, come on, the Armory is where Robocop made his WCW debut ...

I laughed all the way through this thread. So, for the record, swamp rats and man beasts should never mate. Gotcha.

Thanks again. Found a few more show results I was missing.

Here's a question ... for those heavy into tapes, does anyone know the first Boston show televised on NESN?

To add to the similar pages on MSG, Maple Leaf Gardens, and the Capital Centre, I've put together a new section of my website dedicated to the historic Boston Garden. Ring results from the beginning of the WWF through to its final show in May 1995 are posted, along with what print ads I've been able to find. Here's a direct link: http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/boston.htm There are gaps so if anyone can help with that info, I would appreciate it.

There was talk of that being the main event. PWI went as far as to print an article in which Bret and Savage talked trash about Hogan not defending the belt as much as he should, and certainly not as often as Bret defended it. The consensus is that Hogan didn't want to make himself look bad against Bret and so he opted to lose to Yoko instead. According to Bret's 2nd RF shoot, he wasn't aware that the match was ever scheduled.

Thanks for that. There's always something from the Observer ring results that I seem to be missing.

I don't think they'll EVER be another PPV taped in the UK, like SS92. With spoilers leaking out on the 'net just minutes after an event, it's very likely that it would cause the buyrate over here to fall kinda badly, especially if the show looks like it stinks . . . . Maybe it won't be taped. Maybe they'll take the risk of airing it live in the US, which would put it at around 3pm EST. With the onset of the Net, that's about their only option other than taping it and airing it later.

I don't know the backstage reason but the on-screen reason was that the Nastys had just turned babyface and wanted revenge against Money Inc and Jimmy Hart for denying them a title match with the Natural Disasters.

Myth. I was about to say the same thing. I remembering reading somewhere (Observer maybe?) that the plan was always for Bret to leave that night with the title. There is debate to whether or not Lex would transition that night, but if memory serves me he was supposed to lose to Yoko and start feuding with Hennig (never winning the title at all). Here is the article in question, taken from the NY Daily News. GRAPPLERS ARE TATTLERS ABOUT WRESTLEMANIA Linda Stasi We always wondered why athletes get stripped of their jobs/titles/houses/freedom if they: bet on games/take steroids/fix sporting events, while wrestlers get rich from all of the above right in front of everyone. Well, in the spirit of shocking, big breaking news we have to tell all of you obsessive fans who'll be attending this afternoon's Wreslemania competition at the Garden that we already know who's gonna win. We know this because about 12 of the bulked-up boys have been in town all week and several of them can't keep their traps shut. A huge contingent of them - including Bret Hart, Lex Luger, Stan Lane, Johnny Polo and Crush - plopped down for a few 32-ounce porterhouse steaks at Charlton's steak house Thursday night and our source caught it all. Turns out perennial good guy Luger will meet and beat perennial bad guy Yokozuna for the World Wrestling Federation championship title. But, we understand, Luger will only own the belt for about an hour. At that time Hart is supposed to climb into the ring and, with the help of guest referee Mr. Perfect, lay a big beating on Luger and be declared champion. But don't let us stop you from getting drunk in front of your children and cheering for your favorite actor, er, wrestler. And after the show ... SWITCHEROO Linda Stasi Just the other day, we reported the outcome of Wrestlemania X several hours before the huge pay-per-view event unfolded before a live Madison Square Garden audience. We told you that Lex Luger would defeat Yokozuna before losing the championship belt to Bret Hart. Long story short, we were right. The only thing is, Vince McMahon was not about to stage that scenario after we found it out and reported it. To make matters worse, obsessed World Wrestling Federation fans were milling around the lobby of the Doral Court Hotel and congratulating Hart a full 10 hours before he actually won. Our sources say that McMahon called a last-minute meeting to pull the old switcheroo. He stuck with keeping Hart as champion, but he had him fight Yokozuna instead of Luger. To follow up, he had his publicist - former NBC entertainment flack Curt Block - fax us a note that read in part, "[your reporting] proves once again that nothing is as exciting of unpredictable as the WWF." Yes, especially when good reporting and reliable sources blow the lid off carefully staged entertainment and force people to get very creative on the fly. I don't agree with the implication in the first article that Bret would turn heel but everything else seems to hold up.