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Yeah, I remember the thing with Funk's contract. WWF didn't make a big deal out of it due to respect for Terry Funk and the fact that they weren't going to do anything more with him anyway. I actually kind of thought the Maestro had some potential as a midcard level heel. He didn't seem as completely ridiculous as some of the character WCW had around that time.

Maybe this should go in the ESPN thread, but I just saw on 1st & 10, one of the guys arguing that the Rays winning and being in first place "is not good for baseball." He admitted that baseball thrives more when the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels, etc. do well. Talk about being blatant.

Well, of course there's the issue that in places like here in Wisconsin, it's not realistic or healthy for a kid to walk or bike to school from like November through March, which means you still have to deal with roughly half the school year.

Another idiot to make all the rest of us Christians look like puritanical zealots who don't believe in dinosaurs.

Yeah. That NL Central race is starting to tighten up a bit.

Yeah...LBJ accomplished a lot for civil rights and other social issues. A lot of it was carried out from Kenned's policies, but he still accomplished it. I think Carter could have been a pretty good president at almost any other time in US history. He was just ill equipped to deal with the changing reality of the world, it seemed like.

Yes, you can be 100% certain that someone is guilty of murder, given enough evidence. No one has been wrongfully executed in the US (at least as far as having their sentence overturned afterwards) in the US in over 50 years. Modern evidence is pretty darn good at determining who was at the scene of a crime. I don't get how you can say that the state cannot determine who should die, but invidividuals basically have that right. I think that if someone willfully murders someone else, they are removing themselves from the boundaries of any civilized society, and we should then treat them as we would an animal that has killed a person. I always love the excuse of "Let's just put them in prison so they can be attacked and sodomized." So you're saying it's OK for convicts to carry out vigilante justice, but law abiding citizens should not have the same right? It's a ridiculous double standard, and not a real answer to criminal justice. I don't really get the flap over the Obama financing thing, and don't really care either. I just figure all politicians are going to get their money one way or another. It doesn't bother me too much how it happens. It's a reality of American politics. Anyway, no one is going to remember this thing about Obama choosing public financing in another couple weeks, so it doesn't matter.

I think some technically died in Iran (helicopter crash) under him, but I get your point.

Supporting the death penalty for child rapists isn't really a make-or-break election year issue. You're really reaching on this one.

That guy actually does look quite a bit like Steve Austin.

Yeah...as far as the home security thing, while I don't think citizens should be precluded from owning guns for such purposes, it's usually ignored that there are, you know, other ways to protect your home. It's the 21st century with home security systems and such.

Which stances are you actually referring to here? Personally, no, I don't agree with all his stances. I just figure he represents a better chance to actually make positive changes in this country after the last eight years, more so than John McCain.

Yeah, but they didn't even do it the right way. (Assuming they were making a Nazi reference, and not some kind of Eastern good luck reference).

No face paint, or did it fall off during the match? I will give him credit, though, he looks like he's in really good shape. (insert steroid joke here) You almost wonder if TNA or WWE would bring him in for one more match if the price was right. Note, I am NOT advocating that.

So is WWE basically just trying to get JR to quit or what?

Gay marriage really shouldn't be a big issue this election year...most Americans aren't in favor of it, so really, what is the point of debating it right now? If states like California want to legalize it, fine. The TV crews can cover these "marriages" and the progressive liberals can get their warm happy fuzzy feelings while the rest of America continues living how they are. I do see the point about not having the death penalty for child rapists, so they aren't further encouraged to kill the child. That does make some sense. I just wish we'd just keep those people locked up permanently. Communities shouldn't have to deal with potential pedophiles moving into their community after being "rehabilitated."

You don't need to take the guns away...we need to do a better job punishing people who shouldn't have guns, and in many cases shouldn't be out in the streets, in the first place.

Yeah, WCW didn't seem to hold their guys accountable for no showing...or maybe they were so seat of the pants that they would advertise guys without making sure they were booked for that date first.

Why? What is the benefit of letting someone like that live? I believe that if someone allows themselves to devolve to the level of an animal, they should very well be euthanized like a dangerous animal would be.

I say this is a good thing. The Lawler/Ross combo has needed to be broken up for some time. JR and Foley should make a good tandem. Cole being paired with Lawler might force Jerry to change his act.

Yep. Ultimately you'd think Great Britain and other Western nations would take responsibility for his atrocities. They're the ones that took the country away from Ian Smith's regime and handed it over to Mugabe.

I seem to remember them doing an online only audio PPV on their website, around '97 or so. I think it basically bombed and that idea was dropped. And yes, that interview was pretty shocking for the time. I mean, when before had real names been referred to like that on any sort of WWF programming?

I may go buy a PS3 for this game. Will probably get the 80GB version that's bundled with it. I wasn't really even pining for a PS3 that much, but basically everyone else I know that plays video games has one...so, eh, why not? Wife said it was OK. I must be getting old...the wife says I can go out and buy a new video game system, and I'm like "Hmmm...I'm not sure if I should spend that much money right now on a video game system."

Apparently the opposition leader is now withdrawing from the run off elections. So much for democracy in Zimbabwe.

I remember the transcript of this was floating around RSPW back in the day. Could still probably be found with a search. (Edit: Ah, I found it, here it is): Jonathan Chau: "It should be noted that it was pretty obvious the way Savage, Jim Ross and Johnny Polo were interacting during the segment that all three knew what was about to be said. Savage's comments started with: "Have you ever heard the name Hulk Hogan? The five time WWF champion. Hulk Hogan became at one time the biggest superstar in the history of professional wrestling. I personally used to look up to Hulk Hogan. But that was a big mistake. I really thought he was a friend. But he's definately not. He's the worst prima donna I've ever met in my life... Hulk Hogan's ego went so far out of control that Hulk Hogan consummed Terry Bollea, which is his real name... Let's just say I've lost a lot of respect for Hulk Hogan aka Terry Bollea, both as a man and as a human being. That's an extreme understatement that I'm saying right there. A lot of people out there might be thinking it is professional jealousy. But putting professional jealousy aside, if there is any, which I'm not saying there is, I lost respect for Hulk Hogan big time. Number one, when he completely lied on Arsenio Hall, denying the use of anabolic steroids except for rehabilitation for an injury." At this point Ross asked Savage if he had ever used steroids. "Yes I have. I used anabolic steroids and when I was on Arsenio Hall, I told the people I did, when they were legal. But it's like putting poison in your body." Ross asked Savage if he currently uses them. "No, I sure don't. Nobody does in the WWF. But at the same time I was asked about it I told the truth. It was prevalant at the time, not just in wrestling but in all sports, baseball, basketball, football, you name it, it was there. It was in the gyms. It was legal at the time. But at the same time, if Hulk Hogan is the guy he says that he is, if he's leading the Hulkamaniacs down that tunnel where there's light at the end of the tunnel, and he's showing them the way, hey, the children are our future and if you're going to lie to them, if your lying to me, your lying to everybody, brother because thats just not the way it's happening. I remember being in the car with him the day before he went on Arsenio Hall in St. Louis, Missouri and I begged him for three hours not to go on and do that." At this point Ross, attempting to act surprised by the last statement, said, "You knew he was going to go on there and lie?" Savage responded, "Exactly. I knew that he was going to do it and lie about using anabolic steroids. I told him that he could be a leader among men if he would tell the truth. But he was worried about the image of the character of Hulk Hogan aka Terry Bollea. I said, 'brother, listen, we all make mistakes. Be honest. The world is more forgiving then you think.' Steroids were legal then. But he said, 'Not a chance.' He went on Arsenio Hall and lied big time. He hurt himself. I'm not worried about him hurting himself. But he hurt all of the WWF, because like I said before, he was a leader. He was a big-time, 5 time WWF champion. When he talks, people listen... Yeah, but when he went on Arsenio Hall and lied and then everything came down after that. You realize that he hurt himself. That he cared about. But I guarantee you from heart-to-heart right now, he couldn't care less about hurting any of us at the WWF." At this point Ross interjects, "Are you saying he's selfish?" Savage said, "To the umpteenth degree. And I'm not perfect. No doubt about it. This guy is really not even perfect, though he wants you to believe it." Ross then brought up his celebrated marriage and divorce with Liz Huelette (Elizabeth). Savage's comments were: "There was a time I fell in love. I got engaged and got married, and it was to Elizabeth. Then it got to a point that some of the kids out there can relate to. Maybe it happened to their mother and father or uncle and aunt. Sometimes it just doesn't go forever. Elizabeth and I were married, but we were having problems. It happens that at the time Elizabeth and Hulk Hogan's wife were very, very, very best friends. And they were running around together. I didn't think it was healthy for our relationship, but whatever's whatever. A lot of people can have different kinds of friends. But there was a time when I was wrestling on the road while we were having problems and I would call home and Elizabeth wouldn't be there. During a certain segment of time, I would just get another phone call. Being the master of the phone that I am and I would have conversations with Hulk Hogan. And he would give me swerves and curves, but never tell that Liz was over there... She was either out with his wife Linda or hiding out at their house. Later on, while I was wrestling on the road, basically when I would call home and there was no answer for four days and Elizabeth was MIA, Missing in action for four days, I was worried about my wife then, and I still am now. I can't help that. Because in my heart I'll always love her. It's very hard to let go. But you've got to let go. That's for people out there who have situations like that. But no doubt about it, being honest, four days went by and Liz called me and told me to get a lawyer because she wanted a divorce. That was end of story right there." Ross then asked Savage if he thought Hogan knew about the divorce and what was going on at the time: Savage responded, "Like, Hogan and his wife were in Miami filming that movie that bombed," at which point Ross asked him which one that had bombed and Savage responded, "Mr. Nanny. He's a three time loser. He starts out with No Holds Barred that did about $10 million. Then Suburban Commando did less. Then he broke his own record for doing less then that with Mr. Nanny. Not to say there's anything personal right here. It's kinda like Crush. A Hulk Hogan situation. I was making calls and going comletely out of my mind because I didn't know where she was and couldn't even talk to her because she wanted the lawyers and all, but he gave me curves and swerves again saying he didn't know where she was but said, 'Brother if I hear anything, I'll let you know.' But in desperation I flew to Miami at the Jockey Club where Hogan was staying and where they were filming the movie Mr. Nanny and there I found Liz, shockingly (the word shockingly was used sarcastically). Obviously by this time, only half shocked ye dig... Honesty and friendship between Hulk Hogan aka Terry Bollea and the Macho Man Randy Savage aka Randy Poffo, brother I'm out there in front of you. Hit me with your best shot. The honsety and friendship wasn't there and possibly it was never was. And right now, talking on Radio WWF, I would tell you it was never there. I was fooled. I didn't know it and Liz didn't know it either. She thought she had a best friend with Hulk Hogan's wife. But now we both know,. Seperately of course, because we are legally divorced. Can you believe the fact that Hulk Hogan's wife and Liz don't even talk now? So what kind of friends do you think they were? It's almost like they got the job done. This is a worst case scenario, broke us up, did what ever they had to do. They're not even friends now. I think Liz realizes alot because as time goes by, you know what I mean, and I wish the best for her. But a lot's changes and the trust is broke... I've changed a lot in my life time.. A WWF match, if Hogan didn't like what I said over the airwaves and wanted to do that in front of the WWF in any arena near by or in a garage of his choice, that would be cool for the Macho Man Randy Savage, because you can beat me, but not eat me. And I don't think you could beat me." A side note for ye... it should be noted that Randy Savage was the one responsible for giving Hulk a black eye before Wrestle Mania... "