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Ya, it was Matt Sydal and Luke against Legend. I can vouge for it being Delirious. He's one of the guys. Don't know the other, although apparently it may be Nate Webb.

AmDrag/Shelley is booked? There must be a God. Genius. Pure Genius. I gotta see that match on tape. Personally, I'd prolly go to CZW, although it's close. I'm not a huge fan of the current CZW product, but the card itself looks pretty good. But man, that AmDrag/Shelley match...noyyyyyyce. The Pain/Messiah match looks good (Zandig's losing so much money that bringing back Pain wasn't a bad idea at all), and the SAT's return should be sweet. The only thing about CZW that you may end up regretting, besides sitting through the horrible booking yet great wrestling, is that this card looks like Frank Goodman is booking it (those who don't know - USA Pro cards go on and on for hours into the middle of the night). At least it starts early though. Is it a possibility to go to both shows? Alex Shelley will be making the trip back and forth...maybe investigate carpooling or something. Wrestlers always need rides. I remember someone gave Justice Pain, M-Dogg 20, Josh Prohibition, and Chris Hamrick rides from the XPW show in Pittsburgh back to the hotel and that the ride was an experience they'll never forget, thanks to the countless potty and fart jokes and other pranks. Riding with wrestlers can be classic.

Yup, completely unbiased article there. Absolutely no 'every bad story about XPW will be disputed with the TRUTH~! where XPW is never in the wrong' vibe coming from it (especially not with all those Super Dragon comments) XPW hasn't even been talked about dude. What do you expect me do - lambast Rob Black for having three girlfriends before finding the right one? Sheesh.

Xtreme Entertainment Group bought the copyrights and stuff about a year ago, so I think they own it all. What I meant to say was "shouldn't," not "wouldn't." I mean, I wasn't backstage so I can't say firsthand what happened, but if he did yell at them, I think it's pretty well deserved if in fact they went twice as long as they were supposed to, and again, I don't know for sure if they did, but from what I was told they were supposed to go only 6 minutes.

Brooke talks about the whole car crash and Combs thing on TrashTalkingRadio.com. Check it out. Great audio show.

Shockmaster is the first one that came to my mind. I just saw it for the first time today via Kazaa and it's indeed classic.

I started doing the research around the time when XPW stopped running (early 2003). So, about a year and a half. No problem about doing it. I have a soft spot for XPW, and this is my way of conveying it. It was indeed a tremendous match (one of the best spotfests I've seen), but at the same time they didn't do what they were told, and it's risky to put guys out there that you're not sure you can trust. They knew they were only supposed to go about half as long as they did.

I was told Rob started yelling at them when they got backstage. That's prolly why they didn't work the next show or two. Absolutely amazing amtch, though.

The Rev. Pro guys were told to go 6 minutes. They went about double that. Why wouldn't they be yelled out?

Yes, there was. That's part of the story. Certainly not all. No, it's not. He's omitted something key in all the interviews he's done. Actually, the Rev. Pro guys got along quite well with the XPW wrestlers, but only after many of them failed to introduce themselves to the XPW homegrown guys and the XPW homegrown guys had to introduce themselves (much like what happened between Sean O'Haire and The Undertaker when O'Haire joined WWE). By Rev. Pro guys, I don't mean AWC, Shady, and a select few others. Those two especially were very up front, but Dragon and others weren't as much so. They're far from fake.

The Super Dragon thing? His XPW debut was he and Rising Son vs. Ultra Taro Jr. and Disco Machine, I think it was. According to Dragon, Rob Black started yelling at them once they got backstage because they were the opener on the show and showed up all the other guys who were gonna work later, since they put on such an amazing match. If you know Dragon outside of the ring (which I don't, but I do know people who know him), you know he has a legit ego. The full story is a whole lot different than he wants people to know.

Of course. This is the Story of XPW. It's gonna be the size of a book. There's gonna be info on the no-name guys like Jake Lawless, Matt Sinister, and Kristian Blood, so of course those guys will be talked about. Steve Rizzono talked quite a bit about how Rob Black reacted to Super Dragon's controversial XPW debut (something nobody has gone on the record about until now), and also about communicating with MMW, Nosawa, and the other international superstars who worked XPW.

So? Why shouldn't he rip ECW, when Paul Heyman bounced his checks and lied to all of his talent? Considering Douglas was there from the beginning and knows Heyman better than almost anyone, he has every right to tear Heyman and ECW a new asshole. ECW might not have existed had it not been for Douglas' mic skills back in the day. Wasn't much of a wrestler, but before his promos started getting repetitive, he was very charismatic.

I really liked his SummerSlam match vs. D'Lo Brown and the ladder match vs. Benoit. I enjoyed his WCW run. Haven't been a fan of him since, though. Puts himself over too much (I know I'm stating the obvious there, but it's true.).

Done early, baby... The History of Xtreme Pro Wrestling PART 2 Released by IndyWrestling619 on Friday, September 3, 2004 Exclusive to DeclarationOfIndependents.net. There is no place on Earth that Rob Black was meant to be more than California, and finally – in 1996 – that time arrived, as he staked a home in the Golden West. Yet there was one problem – only weeks into his residency on the West coast, Black was fired from the VCA company and found himself in the same predicament he was in before beginning the filming of his first porn movie, “Tender Loins 1”: absolutely broke. Initially, he turned to his contacts at Adult Video News and set up an interview with Mickey Blanks for a job at Sin City, but Black became too impatient to wait the four days until the interview and instead decided to give Patrick Collin’s Elegant Angel company a call. Rick Masters – who Black directed in his second production, “Cellar Dweller” – introduced the two to one another. Collins eventually gave Black a shot at Elegant Angel as a sales representative, but only after Black rejected Collins’ first offer for one movie per month at $5,000 each (they eventually settled for $10,000 a movie for the same number). Although the first signs of his nonconformist lifestyle came in his Extreme Video movies a few years prior, Rob Black’s reputation as the vilest pornographer in the industry truly began to be shaped when he joined Elegant Angel. The organization presented him with a significantly more public platform to exhibit his work than he possessed while running the relatively small Extreme Video. Upon working his way up to director at Elegant Angel, Black started touching on subjects that many observers (and even other directors) considered too controversial for even the porn industry. For instance, Roger T. Pipe of RogReviews.com wrote during the peak of Black’s career in the late ‘90’s, “Robert Black has picked up the ball in pushing the envelope and has proven that being on the edge is not always better.” Adult entertainment journalists Brad Williams – the moderator of RAME.net (the porn equivalent of wrestling’s RSPW newsgroup) – and Luke Ford both concur with that assessment. Williams stated several years ago on RAME that “Black is going for making sex as ‘dirty and disgusting’ as anyone can imagine,” while Luke Ford described Black several years on the British TV show, “Disinfo,” as directing “the most repellent, vile disgusting, morally troublesome work of which I’m aware.” And rather than deny these claims, Rob Black embraced them, and in fact still does. During the late ’90’s, he wore a necklace that read in tiny letters, “Whoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” Black seemed to live by that motto. On the Disinfo TV show, Black concurred with his critics, stating that his productions “are the filthiest of the filth…There's the drug dealer and we're a little above that.” He explained his philosophy for directing porn in the January 1998 issue of AVN: "If I can shock someone, titillate them, arouse them, make them say, 'What is this?' I'm doing my job. Look at how many directors there are, and how many movies come out a year. And if I can be distinguished with my stuff, and have the Internet and the magazines full of my name, then I'm doing my job.” Perhaps Black was doing it too well, though. Many people believe that he has crossed over the line of decency. At one point in 1997, Black – according to the May edition of that year’s AVN – was summoned to the office of Patrick Collins (his boss at Elegant Angel), who “‘politely suggested’ that he scale back on the choking and other violent acts in his productions." Similarly, the reason Black was sent packing from VCA just a few weeks after arriving in California is that he got into a heated argument with its founder, Russell (Russ) Hampshire, because he refused to tone down the violent aspects of his films. And even so, this strategy seemed to work for Black. By late 1997, he was living the good life, smoking smoked three packs of Camel Wide Lights per day (he’s since quit, word has it) and driving a brand-new BMW. He and his then-fiancée, Tricia Devereaux, lived in a half-a-million-dollar home that – according to AVN – was “complete with diving pool, tennis courts and stables – in an 'exclusive, gated community' in nearby Bell Canyon.” And those weren’t even Black’s greatest achievements. The most important thing of all was that he had succeeded in impressing Tom Byron, the same guy who had looked down upon him half a decade before. Byron was none too pleased upon first learning that Elegant Angel had hired Black, since he was already an employee there. However, working alongside one another on various projects on several occasions led to the two finding some common ground, and subsequently, by around late 1996, this unlikely duo had become the best of friends. Byron's other company, Tom Byron Productions, entered into a business relationship with Elegant, which morphed into Extreme Associates in 1998. Elegant Angel employees such as Tiffany Mynx and Van Damage joined Black and Byron in their new Extreme Associates endeavor. According to Lukeford.com – one of the premier sources for up-to-date news on the pornography business – the rumor goes that Black launched Extreme Associates with a $90,000 loan from his father, Dominic. Black has yet to comment on that subject. The years since Extreme Associates was formed is when the aura that porn enthusiasts associate with Rob Black’s name reached its peak. His fame was already on an upswing when he was working for Elegant, but by the time Extreme Associates was formed, the pinnacle of his career was in sight. Extreme – and Rob Black, specifically – gained the reputation of going far and above the content of most other companies, which sparked many critics of Black (such as Luke Ford, John T. Bone, and ex-employee Wanker Wang), but that didn’t seem to faze the Rochester native. Black remained determined to lead Extreme Associates in the right direction, according to his controversial 2001 interview for the PBS “Frontline” series (in which he mounted a challenge to the federal government that came back to haunt him a couple of years later): “I like the challenge of doing something that people on the outside see as taboo. I enjoy the challenge of just making the thing as a whole work, and grow, and thrive, and go. My partner, Tom [byron] – he always says I'm a drama junkie. I thrive on the drama. And at times, I do. Aside from the money, I enjoy – that ... and just that eternal quest to keep going and make it bigger than it is.” When Extreme Associates was launched, Black was going out with Nikki Strassner, his second girlfriend in just as many years. He had previously broken up with Tricia Devereaux in mid-1997, but in late ’98, Nikki and himself followed that same course. At that point, Black began dating one of his Extreme Associates contract girls, Lizzy Borden (real name: Janet Romano). Black and Borden hit things off immediately with one another. In a March 2001 interview with Roger T. Pipe, Borden describes her first encounter with her future husband: “[Porn actor Mike Long a.k.a. Luciano] called me up one night to tell me he was signing a deal with Extreme Associates. I was worried because when I first got into the business, everyone told me never to work for Extreme, never work for Rob Black. We went out celebrating that night and the following Monday he called me to ask me to do a [sexual act] with him for an Extreme movie. I said, ‘Fine, as long as I don't have to meet Rob Black.’ Of course, I get there and the first person I meet is Rob. It turns out that he is just the sweetest guy and I can't understand why everyone hates him.” Whereas Black seemed destined to enter porn from an early age (due in large part to his familial connections to the vocation), Borden just happened to fall into it, more or less. Borden – born on December 20, 1977 in Huntington Beach, CA – looked back on her childhood in an interview with Pipe: “I was very shy and very insecure. I came from a broken family. My stepfather was an alcoholic who was very abusive towards my mother. He didn't accept me. I went through a lot of sh*t.” It took awhile for Borden to develop an identity. During her late teenage years, she held a job at Disneyland, but started feeling “like I had to be a different person just to make friends. People would ask if I was a virgin and I would say, ‘Yes,’ just to fit in. I was afraid of what they would think. I just got sick of being someone other than I was.” With Rob Black, his first direct involvement in the porn industry came when he met Tom Byron. As for Borden, working at a local strip club for about four months led to her meeting a woman named Jill Kelly, who introduced Borden to what she later realized was her calling in life: “I loved it because I didn't have to hide who I was.” She started doing porn under the alias of “Mia Mikels” and didn’t start going by “Lizzy Borden” (a takeoff on 19th century accused murderer Lizzie Borden) until she met Black and was given the name by him. In fact, there’s actually a promo photo Borden did while with XPW, in which she’s posing with a bloody axe in her hands. Borden began her tenure at Extreme Associates as an actress in their porn flicks, but within less than a year of working for the company, she had climbed her way up to the position of director. Contrary to what perennial XPW critic Bob Magee claimed in a 2002 article on PWBTS.com, mid-1999 was the last time she actually performed a sex scene in a movie. From then on, it was all directing Extreme Associates productions for Borden. Everything was going sensational for the new couple and also for Extreme Associates. In 1998, Borden and Byron moved in with Black. By this point, Borden had figured out that she was best off directing films (as opposed to acting in them), and all the while her soon-to-be husband was breaking through the upper echelon of the porn industry. Extreme Associates was emerging as a legitimate alternative in adult entertainment, much like what happened with pro wrestling’s ECW organization during the mid-and-late-‘90’s. Less than a year into its infancy, Extreme Associates won four AVN awards at the January 1999 CES festival, including the much-coveted “Male Performer of the Year” (for Tom Byron). Black and Borden (along with Byron and their other Extreme Associates colleagues) were on their way to redefining pornography, and the rest – as the saying goes – is history… Feedback welcome. The XPW: 5 Years Later web site will be done in a few weeks. No worries about Onita. Lots of never-before-heard stuff about what they were planning to do with him after the proposed Sabu program. Also the real reason his discussions with XPW fell apart (it's not really gone into in Kleinrock's SCU interview). Plenty of stuff on Supreme and Kaos, too.

Less than half a week till part 2 is released, focusing on the rise of Extreme Associates, Rob Black's moving to California, and his past relationships before meeting Lizzy. It will probably be up by the end of the weekend.

... This coming from a guy named tnamark. Took the words right out of my mouth.

I don't wanna get involved in any of the other stuff, but I gotta say - this is, bar absolutely none, the most ridiculous, illogical analogy I have ever read in my life.

What exactly is everybody's problem with Zandig? He's been treating his wrestlers like shit over the past year and a half, and he's using political power to prevent many of them from working in major promotions other than CZW. Sonjay is about the only one he's allowing to do any other major indy gigs.

“Without me in Mick Foley’s book, his book would’ve been as long as his penis.” – Al Snow (January 20, 2004; Trash Talking Radio) “Pepper was near my heart, very near my heart…until I had a bowel movement.” – Al Snow, when asked how Pepper the dog tasted (January 20, 2004; Trash Talking Radio)

Berk leaving isn't a surprise. He's been on the outs with Zandig for awhile (just like Rebel, Derek Frazier, Acid, Cash, and others), even though he's tried to make it sound like a mutual falling out (it wasn't really...he can't stand Zandig). Good to see AMIL getting booked. They're amazing. I haven't seen Kingston work, but I've heard good things about him, and B-Boy always is a great guy to book newcomers to CZW against (i.e. his match with Excalibur) because he's so versatile in terms of styles.

That's my boy, Luke! Could to see he's getting some big indy gigs. The Pure Title change was really out of the blue, but Walters deserves it. But the Scramble Cage Match...that just sounds absolutely insane.

Chavito (Salvador) Guerrero III Oh, OK. That makes more sense.

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You don't want Dell. Unlike other brands, they put software into the computer that draws upon adware and spyware, making it much more likely for you to get such programs than if you buy any other brand. From what I'm aware, Dell is the only brand that does this, at least to the extensive degree it does.