Hunter's Torn Quad

It won't. Nothing will be done. We all know what causes this endless parade of death, but nothing will be done to stop it, because the people who could do something to stop it either don't care or don't believe the causes.

It would be more entertaining than any fight they could have.

Read above. As MisawaGQ said, personality and charisma. I also explained more on that. Bad press might have some impact, but when the jacked up bodies disappeared, it wasn't a coincidence that business started falling. Fans absolutely were turned off by the lack of big guys. Did wrestling fans suddenly care in droves what the press thought of them? They didn't before. I'm acting like my opinion is fact because, in this case, it is. The lack of jacked up bodies, that the fans had been educated for years equated ability and star power, disappearing had the more impact on business than the bad press. Maybe because I'd like even just person to stop and care about what wrestlers do to themselves so that that fan can get his jollies when watching wrestling. If that makes me a jackass, then God Bless being a jackass. Fans might be told what to cheer and not cheer for, but there are those who don't just blindly accept that and have brains of their own. If only more fans were like that.

PRIDE have announced Naoya Ogawa vs Hidehiko Yoshida for their New Year's Eve super-show.

They don't. The majority don't give a shit what wrestlers put in their bodies to get the look that the fans want their wrestlers to have. They don't care what wrestlers do to their bodies night after night to entertain them. They don't care that a wrestler ruins his family and life to entertain them. For the vast majority, all the fans give a shit about is what a wrestler can do to entertain them, and if the wrestler shortens their life, fucks up their body, or loses their life, who cares? Certainly not the fans. As long as they get their yucks, they don't give a fuck what happens to the wrestlers. True, but a guy with 'that' type of body and look will get so many more chances than a more talented wrestler who doesn't have that look. Look how many chances they gave Triple H. He didn't get over a lick before Mick Foley put him over clean for three months straight. If it wasn't for jacking himself up, Vince would have given up on him long before wanting Foley to put him over for so long. To a lesser extent, look at Billy Gunn. If he wasn't tall and had that body, they would have canned him long ago. Instead, they kept giving him chance after chance after chance. Eventually, the did give up, but they would have given up long before they did without that look. And maybe that might change if more than a few people on a message board told Vince loud and clear that a guy doesn't need to get jacked to the gills to be accepted in the top spot.

You forgot the third main cause: the wrestlers themselves. If you are going to blame the fans, there is no fucking way you can exclude it's ultimately the wrestler's choice. It's bullshit for you to claim that the fans should be looking in the mirror and blaming themselves for Eddie's death. The responsibility is on the shoulders of the wrestlers. There are influences, yes, but come on now. Is it baseball fans faults for the steriod use, because they like homeruns? Is it an actress' fans fault if she is anorexic, because they love her? Ultimately, yes, it is the wrestlers choice. But if Vince didn't demand a certain look that you cannot get without drugs, and that look is pretty much a requisite for getting a serious push and with it the money, and if the schedule wasn't as crazy as it is, which it doesn't need to be, would those wrestlers really put so many pills and needles into themselves? Some, maybe, but not all, and certainly a lot less then do so now. When WWF did legit steroid testing, and it was legit, those jacked up bodies disappeared, and business sank. You can talk about the bad publicity all you want, but the main reason business tanked was because those huge bodies that fans got weaned out were no longer there. If the fans were willing or able to look past the bodies, not just then but now, maybe, just maybe, Vince might not be so obsessed with wanting juiced up bodies in his top guys. If the fans made it clear that juiced up bodies weren't the primary attribute they wanted in top guys, then Vince might have been more open with having his top guys not having to have jacked up bodies. As it is, he had the proof right there in his books that told him fans wanted a certain kind of body in their top guys, a body that almost nobody can get without drugs. And if you can't blame fans for the consequences of what they want, who the hell can you blame?

Yeah, but he'd tear his pec from the move and wouldn't be able to do anything after that.

Would you want to tell people you were Rick Steiner?

Unless Vince has some kind of revelation, the steroid trend will never end. I don't even think Vince accepts that steroids do anything wrong, if only because he's been on them for so long and he's still alive. He probably sees this as proof that steroids are fine, and that if anyone died because of steroids, he no doubt convinces himself that it was either a fluke or it had to be something else they were taking. Vince made his money off of steroids, and he'll never accept what the true cost of that was, because he would have to accept the role he played in that cost, and he can't, because of how significant a role it was.

If Antonio is truly out of real power, though he'll always have some level of influence, then this can only be a good thing. Thanks to Inoki's stupidity, he's done a lot of damage to New Japan, and hopefully the long road to recovery can finally start.

I actually did watch both matches with an open mind. But thanks for not considering that a possibility.

I remember they paid the next year of Pillman's contract to his family, but I think that was it. I don't think, legally speaking, WWE have any obligation to pay the families of anybody on their roster if they die. I remember UFC used to have a clause in their contracts, and I don't know if they still have it, that if a fighter died in a fight that their family would get $25,000.

And we never will. When Scott Hall got chance after chance, it was a very public acknowledgement from people that it doesn't matter how screwed up you can get, if we can make money from you we'll use you. Not that Eddie was that bad, but he was one of the lucky ones. Eddie dying is a shock, because it happened out of nowhere, but it is no surprise. Someone with history, as sad is it seems, is someone you have to be aware of is more likely to die than someone else. Sadly, it's not the drugs he took that forced him having to go to rehab that did the most damage. And that means Eddie is not last of a long and tragic series of deaths.

About the best thing Michael Cole ever did was urging Eddie on to hit the frog splash on Lesnar. Cole appeared to be marking out for it.

Ignore him. He's just trying to get a cheap reaction because he couldn't get one with any real effort.

What's your point? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's strange, because headlines don't usually just use a persons surname unless they're a huge name or something.

Eddie mouthing "oh shit" was great. My favorite Eddie skit was him stealing Ric Flair's number at the Royal Rumble draw. Anything was great when he cheated and flat out denied it even though he looked so guilty, but it was as if he was daring the other guy to do something to prove it.

I watched both Ground Zero and Bad Blood main events today. GZ is a total clusterfuck, with overbooked nonsense, no wrestling and little if any psychology. BB is mostly Undertaker beating Shawn up, which he does do well, but that all gets negated when Shawn does his usual deal of no-selling everything when he kips up. Once he kips up, it’s like nothing happened because none of the last fifteen or twenty minutes gets sold a lick. The one thing both matches have is Shawn’s usual stupid bumps that are more pratfall bumps than credible bumps, and the GZ match saw a forerunner of Shawn’s bump from the Hogan match where he gets his head rammed into the turnbuckle and did a rolling senton, but the earlier version just saw Shawn fly off and fall on his face. Even the table bump from Shawn in BB only gets sold for a couple of minutes before Shawn's upright and walking. None of these matches are great, or even good, and are definitely nowhere close to being great.

I can only guess that they don't know they have the full version, because there is no reason that it shouldn't be on there.

They do have the full match, so it's strange they don't put it on there.

And is the tribute match in full? On the Benoit DVD, they've got the edited version, which is strange because they do have the complete version.

To me, Shawn vs Undertaker is like the main event at WM XX; on the night, you think it's one of the best matches you've ever seen, but in the cold light of say it's not that hot.

That makes Booker even more of a pussy, because he stopped complaining and is just taking it. To the average WWE fan, Sharmell pussywhipped Booker into submission. And she did. WWE fans want guys to turn heel because they want to or because they feel betrayed, not because the guys wife thinks so.

The Badd Blood main event is a terribly overrated extended squash match. ONO blows it out of the water.

Wouldn't his matches thus far suffice?