RavishingRickRudo

What's the big deal? The WWE hasn't really been inappropriate for children since '99. Bout time they tried to cash in on this. So HLA was when?

Interesting. So someone being constantly negative about the topic at hand is acceptable, but if someone turns and points out the constant, often irrational negativity, then THAT qualifies as bitching and THAT is the problem. Nice logic. Take a look at what I wrote, take a look at what you wrote. Take a look at the topic. In kayfabe terms, a triple threat is more of a challenge than a one on one match, especially since he retained his title at Backlash in a scenario where he didn't even have to take the fall to lose his belt. In reality, a singles match is more effective as it leaves no questions. A triple threat that invovles only one person getting pinned, does. Historically, there have been far more successful champions coming off a singles match than there have been coming off a triple threat match. If he is shown as capable of beating both Shawn and Hunter is situations where he's fighting both at once, I think its implied he could do the same against either in a one on one scenario. Actually, he lost to both Hunter and Shawn in 1 on 1 scenarios. No Mercy 2000 and on RAW 2 months ago, respectively. And he got the last laugh in the end- which is what matters. What is the "last laugh"? In this case, the "last laugh" would be taking the spotlight/TV time from them. He hasn't. Benoits time on TV has not been increased since winning the title and HHH's TV time has not been decreased. Michaels' neither. I doubt that will change any time soon. Benoit has not been shown to be more important than HHH when HHH is in the main event against the Smackdown champ and Benoit is fighting Rhyno in a throw-away match. Maybe, maybe not. In any case, we didn't get 2 singles matches, what we got is the 2 triple threats. This is what we call "crying over spilled milk". Nothing can be done about it now. Move on. ... And the effects of which is a weak main event champion who cannot hold a program on his own. "Move on"? We'll be seeing how those 2 triple threats have hurt Benoit long down the road... it's far from moving on. And Benoit will obviously have singles matches as champ as well, probably against HBK or HHH again too. I don't know why you'd assume he wouldn't. I never said he wouldn't have a match against HHH or HBK again, infact, I said that he would have a feud with HBK and then lose the belt to HHH. The point was that he couldn't have a successful feud with anyone _outside_ those two. Why would I assume that? WM and Backlash, clearly, show that the WWE doesn't have enough faith in Benoit and rely on HHH and HBK to get him through a ME program. If they didn't, then Backlash would have been a singles match... Mania would have been as well. He played a lesser part in these matches? The matches that he, you know, WON? The WM match he was built up as a lesser part than HHH and Michaels. It was evident in the way he was treated (HHH punking him out, HBK punking him out). Backlash was different, but it wasn't. HHH still got the spotlight and he was all-of-a-sudden best pals with Michaels. He still wasn't the central focus of the feud, thus making his win(s) less meaningful. Tell me, what did winning those main events DO for Benoit? Make him more important? I don't see it on tv. Did they make him a bigger superstar? I don't see it on tv. Did it make him a main eventer? I don't see it on tv. For your first question, we'll have to wait and see. That's the question around every first time champion. Not Austin. Besides, I doubt we'll see it. How many realistic challengers outside HHH and HBK can you name? And for your second question- would Christian vs. anybody in the main event sell a PPV? Austin, Rock, HHH... Main Eventers.

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=53510 Page 2 has the birth, but page 1 sets it up.

Bukkake Miss Jackie-mania is sweeping the board! (*>:RECOGNIZE:<*)

London and Mysterio = High Anxiety. It's a way to introduce plucky young go-getter Paul London after Kidman turns on London and sides with that evil Charlie Haas whom offers Kidman promises of success as they become the new worlds greatest tag team. London may be hiding his true potential since he is afraid of upstaging Rey... Rey tells London to go all out, because that's how you earn the fans' respect. London wears a lucha mask occasionally. Nunzio and Knoble = "Nunzio and Knoble" - Nunzio disbands the FBI and goes back to his real family. They are in contrast to the high flying dynamic of London and Rey as they are more mat-based. Rico and Shannon and Yang AND ORLANDO *Edited for extra genius* = "The Fourth Street Posse", it's inregards to Ricos Las Vegas origin. Rico has taken Mattitudeless Shannon and Tajiriless Akio and have made them a part of his crew. Orlando is there because he wants to sex-up Moore, but Rico is protective of his bitch yet keeps Orlando around since he's an asset to the group. They dress up like card sharks (Rico does so very extravagantly) and their names match a suit - Rico is "Diamond", Orlando is "Spade", Moore is "Heart" and Akio is "Clubs", they have the symbol on the back of their jackets and tights. The group is organized as such - Yang/Shannon: "High Risk", Orlando/Rico: "Wildcard", and their moves are "Double Down", "House Wins", and "Royal Flush"... Scotty and Rikishi = Obligatory fan-friendly team. Charlie Haas and Billy Kidman = new heel team of two very vanilla motherfuckers aka "The New Worlds Greatest Tag Team". Dudleys - usual veteran tag team Dudleys and 2 Cool have their boring feud up top for the tag titles. Haas/Kidman vs. Rey/London makes waves in #1 contenders spots providing the more exciting action. The other teams have their fun developing themselves since they are more complex pairings.

I must've missed the part in this thread where people were "bitching" (unless you want to count people 'bitching' about this thread being 'negative' as the bitching, which I would buy). The question was, has Benoit gotten a ME rub. As in, is he a Main Eventer? No, he's not. The test of a true main eventer is if they can carry a PPV and a feud on their own. Benoit has had to rely on HHH and Michaels up until now (and will continue on doing so). How many times have they put the weight on Benoit shoulders? Where, exactly, is this ball they've given him? They haven't put him in the spotlight, alone, at any time besides after his RR and BL matches. It's been over 3 months and they haven't centered a show around him like they would for any true main eventer, and there is no indication that he is going to break away from HHH and HBK any time soon. Do people actually expect me to buy this "he beat both HHH and HBK" thing as if it means something? THEY WEREN'T SINGLES MATCHES. Rather than breaking it up into "HHH vs. Benoit @ WM" and "Benoit vs. HBK @ Backlash" they had 2 of Benoits "big matches" 3 ways. 3 ways. As in, Benoit had to share the spotlight with 2 other guys, and in this case, he had to take a backseat to both of them throughout the build to his big win and then, even WITH THE BELT, he took a backseat to HHH and the draft lotto. The 2 singles matches would actually have accomplished something for "Benoit Main Eventer", as he would have gone through 2 high profile feuds by now and have been the focus of both. But NO, in both this "big matches" he's played a MUCH lesser part and doesn't look any more like a ME than he did coming in. Lemme ask you a question, do you think they can sell a PPV to the majority of wrestling fans on Benoits name alone? Do you think they could stick, say, Christian in there with him and call it a Main Event and expect that match to carry the show? Because that is what a Main Eventer is and does. It is someone they can rely on to sell a PPV and a feud and they haven't shown ANY trust in Benoit to do either of those things so why should the fans believe that he is a Main Eventer when they don't?! RRR: Ringleader, apparently.

Because Nathan Jones and Matt Morgan were already tried.

They were examples of teams, not actual teams that I want to see. Tag Team is as much about aesthetics as it is about chemistry. As long as you look like a tag team, have a team name, and have a tag finisher, you have like 75% of the work done. Silly CMW, there is no such thing as Smackdown...

"Confidential really changed the way fans looked at the business. It wasn't just all in-ring anymore; we were the first to really take them backstage and get an honest behind-the-scenes look at what goes on in the WWE" - Gerry Briscoe "For the first time, fans were able to get a real look at the WWE. No distorted view, no bias, just the truth. I think we really changed the perspective of the wrestling fan... they weren't just watching these superstars in the ring, they were watching people too. They were seeing the people that I get to see..." - Bruce Prichard "In all my years in the wrestling business, which is well over 25 years, I've never seen anything like this. If you suggested a program like Confidential 20 years ago, that would -for the first time ever- show what goes on behind the scenes, you'd get thrown out on your ass. It just wasn't done like that back then. I was really proud to be a part of it." - Mean Gene "I think that, in 10 years or so, we'll look back and think that Confidential wasn't a big deal... because in 10 years it would be common place to get this perspective on the wrestling business... but it did so much, it pulled that curtain aside and let the fans see what really goes on backstage. It was revolutionary" - Chris Jericho "I owe a lot of my success to Confidential. I think this new generation of divas got a lot of exposure from it, and you got to see another side of our personality" - Trish Stratus "I was worried that Confidential would show too much, that the magic would be lost in professional wrestling. But I'm glad to say I was wrong. Confidential really enhanced the product... I, and a whole lot of others - old schoolers if you will - breathed a sigh of relief... and then bukkaked Miss Jackie." - Sgt. Slaughter.

The funny thing is, the Tag Team division is like the easiest one to fix. Pair up 12 people to form 6 tag teams, say... Palumbo & Venis = "The Power Team" Albert & Tajiri = "The Bald and The Buzzsaw" Hurricane & Rosie = "Hurricane and Rosie" Cade and Storm = "The FreeLancers" Dreamer and Richards = "The Extremists" Conway and theotherguy = "La Rez" Team names with matching tights and a tag team finisher. To establish these things, have them do jobber matches. Ok, so you have the champs, say, Hurricane and Rosie. Then you have the #1 contenders, say Albert and Tajiri. They feud. Then you have two other teams battling it out to be the #1 contender. Then you have the last 2 teams getting mixed up with the other 4 in some way or another. There, an active division.

The only bad thing about Confidential going is that there is no Mene Gene and something (actually) worse took its place. The amount of revisionist history, Trish Stratus features, and worthless Photoshoots and PPV Promos was enough to drive a man insane.

Benoit beating the shit out of Al Snow at Double Tables first came to mind. That was a wonderful, ballstomping, drubbing of the Snowman. Albright squashing Sano in UWF-i and finishing it with a beautiful dragon suplex. Albright looked like a monster.

When I was a kid, and I'm sure alot of people here did as well, I watched Superstars on Saturday morning. It wasn't some fucking clip show. I wanted to see actual matches, and I'm sure kids today want to as well. This is just going to be Todd and Ivory acting dopey (thank GOD I don't have to watch it!) and it will hopefully bomb and they can use the time they have alloted from SpikeTV to put on some classic (FULL) matches.

I had a chuckle when I first read this, because throughout the late 90s when the WWE was criticized by groups like the PTC, they were forceful in their claim that they did not advertise to children. Clearly it was a lie, since they still sold their action figures which is mainly for kids and there were still a lot of children in the audience whether they pandered to them or not. So now, with business down, they've made a change to try and attract a new demographic (ahem, one that was always there) to help themselves in the future. It's a good idea (the idea of going to a younger audience, not the WWE experience), I'll give them that, as there were hundreds of kids (12 and under) at the Hurricane autograph signing along with their parents who all had merch on them (very profitable), but I really hope it isn't leading to the mid-90's approach which gimmicks like Eugene seem to be indicating. Any thoughts one what they could do to expand or enhance this market??

There's been talk of this new programming in other threads, however this thread is more along the lines of their "Initiative to Attract a New Generation of WWE fans". World Wresting Entertainment To Debut New Sunday Morning Television Program on Spike TV Debut of "The WWE Experience" Marks Start of Initiative to Attract a New Generation of WWE® Fans STAMFORD, Conn., Apr 19, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- World Wrestling Entertainment® will debut a new Sunday morning television program on Spike TV called, The WWE Experience. The television program is the first step in a multi-faceted campaign directed at attracting younger viewers to the WWE brand. The WWE Experience will debut on Spike TV on Sunday, May 2, at 10 a.m./9C. The one-hour TV-PG program, hosted by Todd Grisham and WWE Diva Ivory, will feature weekly edited wrap-ups of the action and storylines from both of WWE's flagship programs, Monday Night RAW® (Monday, Spike TV, 9 p.m./8C) and WWE SmackDown! (Thursday, UPN, 8 p.m./7C). The program also will take a behind-the-scenes look at the activities of the WWE Superstars from both television brands. "For years, we had a Sunday morning program, a tradition which ended in May 2001 when we announced a sweeping change of our cable programming," said Kevin Dunn, WWE Executive Producer. "With The WWE Experience, we are bringing back that Sunday morning tradition. Many of us when we were younger first discovered the WWE through weekend programming, and now the current younger generation will have that same opportunity with The WWE Experience." Kurt Schneider, WWE Executive Vice President, Marketing, said The WWE Experience is the start of a concerted effort to find more opportunities for younger viewers to sample the WWE brand. "The WWE Experience will appeal to wrestling fans of all ages as it is the only place you can see the entire lineup of WWE Superstars on one program," he said. "Additionally, The WWE Experience will be a key point-of-entry for a new generation of wrestling fans, and will serve as the foundation for several initiatives that will appeal specifically to our younger viewers." WWE also announced that WWE Velocity on Saturdays on Spike TV will move from 10 p.m. to 7 p.m./6C, starting May 1. The one-hour live event show features the talent of SmackDown!, and showcases original matches and Superstar highlights. The program is hosted by Josh Mathews and Bill DeMott. With the time switch, the program's rating will change from TV-14 to TV-PG. WWE Confidential, which debuted on May 25, 2001, will end its run on Spike TV on Saturday, April 24, 2004. Other programs currently on the air for WWE: -- WWE Sunday Night Heat® (Sunday, Spike TV, 7 p.m./6C) is a one-hour live event show featuring Monday Night RAW Superstars. Hosted by The Coach and Al Snow®, Sunday Night Heat features original matches and Superstar highlights of the hottest mat action and interviews Monday Night RAW has to offer! -- WWE Bottom Line (weekend syndication, check local listings) delivers highlights and exclusives for Monday Night RAW. This magazine format show analyzes key events on Monday Night RAW and Sunday Night Heat. -- WWE AfterBurn (weekend syndication, check local listings) breaks down the week that was for the SmackDown! brand. AfterBurn highlights matches and interviews from SmackDown! and Velocity.

Flair needs to randomly run around the arena and act crazy. Not manage, not wrestle. He can cut other peoples promos for them occasionally. And not in the managerial fashion, but in the "I'm crazy, I think I am this other wrestler, I am going to cut a promo on this other wrestlers opponent" kinda way. In conclusion: Keep Flair very, very, very, very, VERY far away from the ring. He's old. He sucks. The memo has been sent, everyone should realize it by now.

No. He has been tethered to HBK and HHH the whole time (and hasn't even been the central focus of the feuds which means people associate him with HHH and HBK rather than his own man) and NO ONE has been built up as a suitable contender for him to feud with. He's like a drug addict and they gave him a dependency. He will have to keep playing around with the same guys until Hunter beats him and feuds with Edge.

*Realizes mistake* *Feels ashamed* *Questions purpose of continuing this gimmick if spelling is wrong* *Ponders* *Wonders* *Searches deep down inside* *Fixes* *Breathes a sigh of relief* *Bukkakes Miss Jackie*

I'm hoping for that to be the official tag line of TSM. "The SmartMarks: We breathe a sigh of relief... then bukkake Miss. Jackie"

*mumbles something about stupid K-1 fans taking over his MMA thread* Rumoured UFC Card Ken Shamrock vs. Kimo Leopoldo Tim Sylvia vs. Frank Mir (Heavyweight title fight) Phil Baroni vs. Evan Tanner Dennis Hallman vs. Frank Trigg Matt Hughes vs. Renato 'Charuto' Verissimo Ivan Menjivar vs. Matt Serra Lee Murray vs. TBA (possibly Tito Ortiz)

*Taker is fighting Eddie Guerrero for the WWE title* *Taker is about to tombstone Eddie* *BONG* *BONG* *Vincent Price cackles* "Darkness Falls Across The Land The Midnite Hour Is Close At Hand Creatures Crawl In Search Of Blood To Terrorize Y'awl's Neighbourhood And Whosoever Shall Be Found Without The Soul For Getting Down Must Stand And Face The Hounds Of Hell And Rot Inside A Corpse's Shell The Foulest Stench Is In The Air The Funk Of Forty Thousand Years And Grizzy Ghouls From Every Tomb Are Closing In To Seal Your Doom And Though You Fight To Stay Alive Your Body Starts To Shiver For No Mere Mortal Can Resist The Evil Of The Thriller" *Theme from Thriller* It's Close To Midnight And Something Evil's Lurking In The Dark Under The Moonlight You See A Sight That Almost Stops Your Heart You Try To Scream But Terror Takes The Sound Before You Make It You Start To Freeze As Horror Looks You Right Between The Eyes, You're Paralyzed Cole: What they damn hell is that?!? Tazz: I dunno Cole, but it doesn't look good for the deadman. *Zombie Angle comes out with a red leather jacket and single glove* Tazz: OH MY GOD! Cole: It's KURT ANGLE! I thought he was DEAD! Tazz: He was dead Cole! We all seen him die! Cole: So who is this, then?! Tazz: Oh my god... it is Kurt Angle... and he's back from the dead!!! *A group of Zombies follow Kurt and dance to the music* That This Is Thriller, Thriller Night 'Cause I Can Thrill You More Than Any Ghost Would Dare To Try Girl, This Is Thriller, Thriller Night So Let Me Hold You Tight And Share A Killer, Diller, Chiller Thriller Here Tonight *Taker, after tombstoning Eddie, turns his attention to Zombie Angle and his legion of the undead* Cole: Oh uh, it looks like the Undertaker may have his hands full. Tazz: Two deadmen about to go at it, only in the WWE. Cole: It looks like Taker isn't a afraid of this Zombie Angle. Tazz: Taker has more guts than brains, that for sure. *Zombie Angle and Gang are about to attack when the music stops* *Zombie Angle looks confused* *Zombie Angle looks at Taker, Taker shrugs* *Zombie Angle looks down in shame and leaves* *Taker, Cole, Tazz and Eddie all breathe a sigh of relief... and then they bukkake Mrs. Jackie*

*board breathes a sigh of relief, then...bukkakes Miss Jackie?* HOLY SHIT!~

Aw c'mon, predict! It makes all of us who've read the spoilers feel all superior so we can laugh at you for making such silly statements because we know the truth.

Carlos Newton was on the front page of the TORONTO SUN along with 9 other guys who were deemed the cities toughest guys. Newton was #5 and there was a lil write up on him.

It's not like anything big happens. I mean, they're really minor spoilers. I exaggerated before when I said they were MEGA HUGE; what I really meant was "Super Tiny". Insignificant, really. They won't even surprise you or "spoil" anything if you read them. Go ahead. Everyone else is doing it.... *puts on devil horns*