NoCalMike

oddly, I'd have to agree with you. It definately seems that Kerry's ratings go up the most in "the polls" when he is silent/invisible and Bush is just left to screwing up as usual(well in my opinion) but the minute Kerry actually speaks up on it his numbers seem to drop down again. Maybe Kerry should just keep silent until the debates and let Bush seal his own defeat....

I wouldn't say I am salivating over it, but I will admit it was a lot better then I thought it would be. The one thing that did disturb me was that during the the beginning when Moore was trying to break down the election of 2000, there was a lot of information and commentary that I thought was pretty much general information that anyone who watches the news would know, yet half the audience reacted like it was the first time they had heard all of this....

Bottled Water doesn't come from the moutains or the "fresh springs" of wherever....it comes from a water refinery just like everyone elses water.....

Tough break, but I must ask: What did becoming a mormon have to do with her leaving her kids on your lawn? I mean, in HER EYES how did she relate the two events, or did she just think it is time to start a "new life" or was she brainwashed or what. I mean, seriously, leaving one's kids is truely one of the more evil things you can do.

This will be the real return of the deadman Undertaker, where he will look exactly the same as he does now but with gray gloves. hahaha yeah. Sara resembles the original Taker more then the current UT does.

like clockwork, Vince will sign him for WM to appear in UT's corner.....thus magically ending the "Paul Bearer is dead" storyline.

well fundamentally a lot of the liberal democrats agree with the Green party in principle and when it sounds good to say so, but when it comes time to actually vote on bills & measures, they suddenly forget their so-called beliefs on certain issues. I think that is where the Green Party is coming from. And as far as Nader goes, well he did get support from the Reform Party which is kind of strange since I believe the Reform Party has formerly nominated Buchanan as their choice, but then again there are some backwards issues the two agree on in an odd sort of way.

well then what is the point of not appointing Nader? When he is running at 4-6% without any press whatsoever other then, "Democrats mad at Nader" or "Nader the spoiler" I already tried to explain why Nader wasn't running as a Green, but as far as I know, he hasn't changed any of his core beliefs, he is just going for a strategy that will garner more votes. *ok back to work* lol.

Care to quote me on that, or are you just spewing irrelevant shit like always? To NCM: I couldn't care less about the whole "OMG NADER IS PULLING FROM KERRY ASSASINATE NOW!!!" movement. I simply find it absurd that these polling firms throw Nader in there to "spice up" their tickets, when he isn't even going to get on the ballots. He's running not out of any sense of loyalty to his supporters; at this point, he's running just to placate his ginormous ego. He's probably, at the same time, killed the only truly progressive party worth voting for in the process. Why are you even remotely sympathetic to the man? it has nothing to be with me being "sympathetic" to the man. I would guess that Nader is used in polls merely because he is the most recognizable name out there in the 3rd party world. I'd even go on to boldy say that "Ralph Nader" is more recognizable then "Green Party" but that could be debatable. Also considering half the Green party still supports Nader. It isn't like the Green party had some major anti-Nader revolt. It is just that there is a faction that is scared of Bush winning and not sure what to do when it comes time to vote. It's not like they have abandoned Nader and/or his beliefs. I mean hell, Peter Camejo(GP) is his VP candidate. Also there is the "conspiracy theory" riding around that this is just a slick move by the green party/Nader to get ANOTHER 3rd party voice out there, which in turn will make more people pay attention. So who knows, it is too early to see how this will end up.

you know there are more choices.....

Also, can't people just write-in Nader as their choice anyway regardless of his name is on the ballot, or does the Presidential ballot work differently then the State election?

umm, Nader wasn't running as a Green party member anyway. He specifically stated that he was running as an Independent so he could pull together support from various 3rd parties opposed to running as a Green party member and limiting his support. If the Democrats keep wanting to whine about Nader running instead of addressing the fact that 7 million registered democrats voted for BUSH in 2000, then they will piss away any chance of winning in 2004, over approx 250,000 voters. Another example of Democrats being stupid.

I wish I would have said that in my initial post...thanks.

Renegade, you are a dolt. -=Mike ...Hmm, I wonder if a rightie did a "documentary" where he attempted to prove that Clinton killed Ron Brown if it'd get all of this wonderful press for "inspiring discourse"... who knows, but it would be fair for to ask that people replying to the thread had actually seen the movie.

My intention in creating this thread was for people who have seen this film, to discuss it, not just paste other people's reviews of the flick. We already have a couple of those in the Current Event Forum, but as with most threads relating to Michael Moore, this thread has been hijacked......

bottled water is one of the bigger scams going today....

well yeah, in a perfect world you can quarrantine all the baddies in one city in Iraq and then just start unloading, but in guerilla warfare, that just isn't how it works.

well one thing for sure is, if american troops leave ANYTIME SOON, Iraq will be pretty much in a bigger mess then before the war.

well the thing is, Moore didn't USE TO, support the democratic party. In fact, Nader and the like are kind of pissed at Moore and wrote him a couple of letters that can be seen on their website, asking Moore to explain why he all of the sudden has forgotten who his "friends" are. I think Moore used to stand for something more, possibly, but he has unfortunately fallen into the liberal democrat contingent that is too scared not to vote for Kerry by default.

oh and for the record, people clapped at the end of the movie, some random anti-bush shout outs, but no standing ovation.

Funny, because I never said O'Reily was anything like that, EVER. However "gasbag of purified shit" certainly is original, so I may have to use that again some time......

I just got back from a 10:30pm showing on a Sunday night, and was suprised by the large crowd..... As for the documentary itself, I must say that this is a lot less like other Moore films that I have seen. I think he takes a few steps back as far as himself goes. This film is a lot less about "Michael Moore doing this, doing that" etc.........It is mostly just him doing voice-overs or interviews with himself off the camera shot. The film covered more topics then I thought it was going to. It basically covered from the moment Bush won the election, and covered the more important events leading up 9/11, post 9/11, Iraq War, Military campaign, post Saddam Iraq, and then the current situation. I thought it was pretty good, definately entertaining. I never really saw anything in this film to suggest that Moore, "hates america" I didn't see the argument there. To me it was about Moore disagreeing with the politics and decisions of the current administration, and yes it was very bias in doing so. I am kind of tired so that is in depth as I get for tonight........

Speaking of Mel Brooks, I just got back from seeing The Producers play. Pretty good stuff. Personally, I grew up in the era where Spaceballs was on three times a day at least five times a week, so I would say it is my personal favorite, although the quality of Young Frakenstein can't be beat.

I am not even sure what this fully means in the short term scenario anyway. I mean, what exactly will be different? It is something that sounds nice as a catchphrase or a tagline, but other then that at least in the short term, what exactly is different?

Now, I know it pains us to see this list of folks in charge, but there is ONE obvious name in there that has no fucking business having anything to do with helping to run the smackdown show.