The Old School questions thread

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What happened to ICP in the WWF in late 1998? Were they fired or something?

They were fired for mainly having a hugely inflated opinion of their value and expressing that opinion.

[strummer 0]

Any ideas on what the plan was for the Briscoes in the WWF in 1984 if Jack hadn't flipped out on the road due to the insane travel schedule? There were rumors they were supposed to get the belts before Jack went home for good.

 

They would have looked so out of place when the Rock N' Wrestling connection started

[TheFranchise 0]

I don't know, I think in any timeframe in the business, there's always a place for the 'grizzled veteren'.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

^The hockey gear match was definitely Shamrock's last on-screen appearance. And IIRC, it was Howard Finkel that got locked in the trunk, not Shamrock. Could be wrong though.

 

Yeah, I don't remember Shamrock getting locked in the trunk either.

[pochorenella 0]

Does anybody know how in the hell that Vladimir dude managed to score all those front row seats for WWF/E events through the late 80s into the early 2000s? You know who I'm talking about, that almost bald guy with glasses and a tank top that always showed up on most WWF PPVs or tapings with terrific seats and always managed to appear on camera. Last I saw him IIRC he showed up on last year's One Night Stand or maybe the first edition. I've also seen him at ROH shows, last year's WrestleMania weekend shows if I'm not mistaken. Did he work for WWF or something?

[bob_barron 0]

I met him at an ROH show once. I also wondered how he did it

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

I also saw him at a ROH show in December 2005, it was very exciting to see him and Green Lantern Fan. He was also on camera at ONS, not sure about the second one. I think I read something a long time ago that said something about having an "in" through Roddy Piper. Or, maybe he was just the Rick Achburger of his time.

[Aero 0]

While on the subject of Vladimir, what's the name of the other superfan who was just about always within a few seats of him? He has the long dark hair, goatee, and always wears sunglasses. I'm assuming it's not the Green Lantern Fan mentioned above.

[Bruiser_Brody_ 0]

Is Vladimir the black dude w/ glasses?

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Faith No More guy?

 

Vladimir is the guy that always wears tanktops (often with "HOT ROD" written on it during the Piper days), huge glasses, and a shaved head.

[MDH257 0]

If Vladimir is friends with Piper, then that would explain why he got to do the angle where he chose Hogan to team with Piper at MSG.

[Timmy8271 0]

Well if he's anything like Tye Dye Guy, He probably has a great paying job with a good boss that lets him go to all these. I remember Tye Dye Guy being on Between the ropes one time. He said his boss would just let him take off and go to these events.

[mysterious_w 0]

Why is Paul Heyman always credited for first showcasing Benoit in America, when he appeared in WCW PPV's in '93? (SuperBrawl III and Slamboree 1993)

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Why is Paul Heyman always credited for first showcasing Benoit in America, when he appeared in WCW PPV's in '93? (SuperBrawl III and Slamboree 1993)

Because in his WCW run in 1993, Benoit was a virtual jobber, while Heyman actually showcased Benoit and gave him his first significant push in North America, hence Heyman getting the credit for first showcasing Benoit. The credit isn't about using Benoit first in America, but about giving him his first real push in America.

[TheFranchise 0]

HTQ, I have no knowledge of WCW in 93, but

 

Too Cold Scorpio defeated Chris Benoit(16:57)

Scorpio pinned Benoit.

 

Would he have been that much of a jobber to go nearly 17 minutes on PPV?

[Hawk 34 0]

Back in the early 90's, WCW pretty much had most matches go really long. Going 17 minutes wasn't a big deal.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Benoit's role in WCW in his first run, as his role seemed to be for the majority of career, was to make people look good before losing. That's all he did. Obviously, Scorpio didn't help to look good, but the rest of the time in WCW during his first run, he was making stiffs look good before losing. We're talking people like the Cole Twins and Erik Watts here. I don't think Benoit won many, if any, significant matches during his entire 1993 run in WCW. He certainly didn't win enough to warrant any other label than 'glorified jobber'.

[swan 0]

One other thing...it seemed like half the roster was mentioned as having some title or other. They mentioned an All-Asian Title, and billed Jose Lothario as the Mexican Brass Knucks Champion. Were these real titles, or was Mercer just making stuff up?

 

Yes real titles. I recall David & Kevin Von Erich held the All Asian tag team championship which is a title in AJPW. this would of been when World Class was a NWA territory. I know Lothario held the WCCW Texas Brass Knuckles Championship but not sure about a mexician version.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Yeah, it would be like claiming WCW gave Owen Hart his first solo run without wearing a mask in the US, when he only had like three TV matches. Benoit didn't do much more of note around that time.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Why did NWA / WCW have TWO seperate tag team titles? The regular tag titles and the US tag titles?

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Because they had enough tag teams at that point to justify it.

[King Kamala 0]

Whatever happened to former OVW guys, Steve Bradley and Ron "H20" Waterman? Bradley for a while was WWF's most hyped prospect, he was touted as the WWF's answer to RVD than the WWF actually signed RVD and he was pretty much toast. And Waterman sucked, but I thought he looked one of those guys the WWF might push to the moon.

 

 

Are they still wrestling somewhere in the indies?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Whatever happened to former OVW guys, Steve Bradley and Ron "H20" Waterman? Bradley for a while was WWF's most hyped prospect, he was touted as the WWF's answer to RVD than the WWF actually signed RVD and he was pretty much toast. And Waterman sucked, but I thought he looked one of those guys the WWF might push to the moon.

 

 

Are they still wrestling somewhere in the indies?

I think Bradley has either left the business or fallen off the radar to where he may as well have. Waterman went back to MMA, where he's had a 8-4-1 record since returning.

 

Bradley had terrible luck, as he never got that break his talents seemed to warrant. Waterman had his age going against him; he was 35 when he signed his developmental deal. He was compared, physically, to Scott Steiner, as they bore a strong, if superficial, resemblance.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Does anyone know the name of the song used by the Jumping Bomb Angels in the WWF from 1987-88? I'm guessing they used it in Japan since it was dubbed off the RR Anthology set. That song has been stuck in my head for the last month.

[Boxer 0]

After a little more than 5 years, I finally watched the Tommy Dreamer clip where he did his "extreme" things.

 

Where was this suppose to go. For a refresher, he drank Undertaker's tobacco in one promo.

[Timmy8271 0]

Waterman is on some christian TV station sometimes doing stuff like breaking concrete bricks and boards and shit like that. He also does MMA I think.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

Can somebody explain what the deal was with Undertaker facing both Dudleys in a PPV main event, and then "killing" Paul Bearer by burying him in concrete?

[Aero 0]

Can somebody explain what the deal was with Undertaker facing both Dudleys in a PPV main event, and then "killing" Paul Bearer by burying him in concrete?

 

Paul Heyman started managing the Dudleys again to get them motivated, and for whatever reason, they decided to kidnap Paul Bearer and the urn. Heyman apparently wanted Taker to join up with them, so he made the Concrete Crypt match for that year's Great American Bash, which was basically a regular handicap match, with Paul Bearer being held in a plastic case in the entrance with a cement truck looming. Leading up to the show, Heyman kept threatening that if Taker didn't do the "right thing", then Bearer would be put into the concrete crypt, in other words... die. Keep in mind, we never knew what the "right thing" was exactly.

 

So, in a very boring handicap match, Taker beat both Dudleys. All through the match, Heyman talked on the mic while slowly filling Bearer's case with cement. Taker finally scared him off and took control of the cement truck, and he filled it, apparently killing Bearer. He later implied that he had to kill Bearer because it was obvious that Bearer was his only weakness, so he couldn't allow others to exploit it.

 

As for the reason why it main evented a PPV, it was probably because JBL won the WWE Title from Eddie earlier in the night under bullshit circumstances, and they figured a Taker win, even under the circumstances, would be a better way to close the show.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

Thanks. Sounds incredibly over the top and dumb.

[Jericholic82 0]

X-Pac was the replacement. Was this trunk loading angle tied into Jericho wearing hockey gear and hitting a Lionsault on Shamrock, causing him to bleed internally, or am I imagining this angle?

oh yea it was Xpac sorry about that