The One and Only Smackdown! HCTP Thread

[Guest Ghettoman]

So you just don't have the grapple system down do you?

 

No Mercy doesn't touch this game in terms of replay value, let alone single player modes. Try getting over the fact that your precious little engine won't be returning anytime soon and drop the ridiculous bias. This is the best WWE game, ever.

 

I'm beginning to hate No Mercy simply because the diehards of the game are growing icreasingly stupid about it.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Ah, hilarity!

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

So I did the 'Join up with Vince' angle that led to me, Matt Hardy, winning the WWE Title in the E.C. at Survivor Series, only to be called not worthy. Austin came out, said he would take the gold. The next week, we had a non title match that I won, but apparently I injured him and they stretchered him out... ok, so here's the funny part. When he comes back to announce he can still fight me at Armageddon, they did the HBK Fake Wheel Chair swerve from last year. Austin pretends he can't get up, but then he pops up, giving me the sight of Stone F'n Cold DANCING AROUND LIKE SHAWN MICHAELS on the rampway

[Anakin Flair 0]

I've FINALLY unlocked everything. Now to start building up the CAWS.

 

On a sidenote: No Mercy is a DEAD game on a DEAD system. It was obsolete YEARS ago. The engine might have been good, but the graphics SUCKED and it had tons of bugs in it. Like Ghettoman said, the AKI engine ain't comming back.

 

God, you people got to stop with the whole "Oh, No Mercy was the greatest wrestling game EVER and every Smackdown game will SUCK because it doesn't have the No Mercy engine!" schtick. It's OLD.

 

Thus endeth the rant.

[A Happy Medium 0]

I just finished a season with the Old School Taker, and I'm wondering....who should I do a season with next? I'm leaning towards Hardy, but I don't know..

[dubq 0]

You lot are easily pleased.  It's not a patch on No Mercy, Wrestlemania 2000 or even WCWNWO Revenge.  It's fun for a while, until you realise that it's just another shitty smackdown game with some new features.  Once you've played all the new characters and tried the new match types, you may as well be playing Smackdown 4 again.

 

I've had it for 1 day and I'm already sick of it.

Well then, little one, you go right on back to the slow, plodding gameplay of No Mercy on even slower N64. I'll take my HCTP that suffers from NO SLOW DOWN whatsoever even when there're six wrestlers on screen, plus a game engine that's actually something different and new.

 

No Mercy was a great game.. but it's in the past, and a lot of people need to wake the fuck up and realize it's 2003.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Ah, hilarity!

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

So I did the 'Join up with Vince' angle that led to me, Matt Hardy, winning the WWE Title in the E.C. at Survivor Series, only to be called not worthy. Austin came out, said he would take the gold. The next week, we had a non title match that I won, but apparently I injured him and they stretchered him out... ok, so here's the funny part. When he comes back to announce he can still fight me at Armageddon, they did the HBK Fake Wheel Chair swerve from last year. Austin pretends he can't get up, but then he pops up, giving me the sight of Stone F'n Cold DANCING AROUND LIKE SHAWN MICHAELS on the rampway

Hm... When does this happen? The whole "faction" part?

 

Hm... Must go single wrestler to get this I guess.

[Guest Random Hero]

So you just don't have the grapple system down do you?

 

Yep, It's not exactly difficult. I had the nous to read the manual you see.

 

No Mercy doesn't touch this game in terms of replay value, let alone single player modes. Try getting over the fact that your precious little engine won't be returning anytime soon and drop the ridiculous bias. This is the best WWE game, ever.

 

Replay value? I took it round my mates house last night, we played a couple of Elimination Chambers. After about an hour he said that he doubted he would be buying it when he got some money. We then turned it off and never touched it again all night.

 

I don't use any of the single player modes all that much. When it comes down to it usually most of the time I just want a simple one versus one match. So really all the modes don't really factor into the equation for me.

 

Why is it ridiculous bias? Do you think I wanted to pay £40, that I don't really have, just to have a downer on it? I don't have some hidden agenda, I'm only biased because No Mercy was/is a more enjoyable game. I'm not emotionally attached to it. I keep hoping the next Smackdown game will be better than it.

 

Sure they've got all the modes and the nice graphics and the snazzy presentation. But stuff like that is fleeting. After I'd tried out the Elimination Chamber a few times, watched entrances I'd never seen before and been wrestlers who weren't in the previous Smackdown games. The actual in-ring experience just didn't do it for me, and no doubt in a few weeks Here Comes The Pain will be collecting dust just like Shut Your Mouth was.

 

It does however have the best season mode so far.

 

I'm beginning to hate No Mercy simply because the diehards of the game are growing icreasingly stupid about it.

 

That's fine, really. I'm pleased for you. If you genuinely enjoy HCTP more than No Mercy, then I'm envious of you. If you like the Smackdown engine, then you've got it made. Unfortunately for me, I don't.

 

No Mercy is a DEAD game on a DEAD system. It was obsolete YEARS ago. The engine might have been good, but the graphics SUCKED and it had tons of bugs in it. Like Ghettoman said, the AKI engine ain't comming back.

 

If I still play it it isn't dead. Average graphics didn't bother me. I didn't notice any bugs. It's not like HCTP doesn't have any anyway. I know the AKI engine isn't coming back, I didn't say it was. Unless Smackdown gets a mjor overhaul, I won't be buying the next release.

 

God, you people got to stop with the whole "Oh, No Mercy was the greatest wrestling game EVER and every Smackdown game will SUCK because it doesn't have the No Mercy engine!" schtick. It's OLD.

 

Why should I? If that's how I feel.

 

 

Well then, little one

 

Don't fucking patronize me.

 

You go right on back to the slow, plodding gameplay of No Mercy on even slower N64. I'll take my HCTP that suffers from NO SLOW DOWN whatsoever even when there're six wrestlers on screen, plus a game engine that's actually something different and new.

 

The game engine isn't new. It's the same as SYM with a slightly new way of grappling and a nifty little submission meter.

 

No Mercy was a great game.. but it's in the past, and a lot of people need to wake the fuck up and realize it's 2003.

 

If they'd continued to make the No Mercy series, and moved it onto gamecube or something, just think about where it would be at now.

[Guest Ghettoman]

IT would still be sadly overrated by it's diehard fanboys.

 

You haven't named one realistic reason as to why No Mercy's better other than you like it more. It offers more in almost every single area than No Mercy did. The games outdated and lacking, and yet here come the troops to still let it be known some kid is still playing it in his basement somewhere because he's mad they didn't continue with the engine.

 

SEason mode, better, single player modes, better, match types, better, CAW, better, moves available, better, level of difficulty, better, backstage areas, duh, graphics, better. What is so better about No Mercy other than your thoughts? Can I go ahead and say Wrestlemania for nintendo is better because I think so? Be logical here, No Mercy doesn't even compare to HCTP, it's like looking at a peice of carved wood with glass on the end and then checking out the hubble. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, as long as you have a reason for having that opinion.

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So you just don't have the grapple system down do you?

 

Yep, It's not exactly difficult. I had the nous to read the manual you see.

 

No Mercy doesn't touch this game in terms of replay value, let alone single player modes. Try getting over the fact that your precious little engine won't be returning anytime soon and drop the ridiculous bias. This is the best WWE game, ever.

 

Replay value? I took it round my mates house last night, we played a couple of Elimination Chambers. After about an hour he said that he doubted he would be buying it when he got some money. We then turned it off and never touched it again all night.

 

I don't use any of the single player modes all that much. When it comes down to it usually most of the time I just want a simple one versus one match. So really all the modes don't really factor into the equation for me.

 

Why is it ridiculous bias? Do you think I wanted to pay £40, that I don't really have, just to have a downer on it? I don't have some hidden agenda, I'm only biased because No Mercy was/is a more enjoyable game. I'm not emotionally attached to it. I keep hoping the next Smackdown game will be better than it.

 

Sure they've got all the modes and the nice graphics and the snazzy presentation. But stuff like that is fleeting. After I'd tried out the Elimination Chamber a few times, watched entrances I'd never seen before and been wrestlers who weren't in the previous Smackdown games. The actual in-ring experience just didn't do it for me, and no doubt in a few weeks Here Comes The Pain will be collecting dust just like Shut Your Mouth was.

 

It does however have the best season mode so far.

 

I'm beginning to hate No Mercy simply because the diehards of the game are growing icreasingly stupid about it.

 

That's fine, really. I'm pleased for you. If you genuinely enjoy HCTP more than No Mercy, then I'm envious of you. If you like the Smackdown engine, then you've got it made. Unfortunately for me, I don't.

 

No Mercy is a DEAD game on a DEAD system. It was obsolete YEARS ago. The engine might have been good, but the graphics SUCKED and it had tons of bugs in it. Like Ghettoman said, the AKI engine ain't comming back.

 

If I still play it it isn't dead. Average graphics didn't bother me. I didn't notice any bugs. It's not like HCTP doesn't have any anyway. I know the AKI engine isn't coming back, I didn't say it was. Unless Smackdown gets a mjor overhaul, I won't be buying the next release.

 

God, you people got to stop with the whole "Oh, No Mercy was the greatest wrestling game EVER and every Smackdown game will SUCK because it doesn't have the No Mercy engine!" schtick. It's OLD.

 

Why should I? If that's how I feel.

 

 

Well then, little one

 

Don't fucking patronize me.

 

You go right on back to the slow, plodding gameplay of No Mercy on even slower N64. I'll take my HCTP that suffers from NO SLOW DOWN whatsoever even when there're six wrestlers on screen, plus a game engine that's actually something different and new.

 

The game engine isn't new. It's the same as SYM with a slightly new way of grappling and a nifty little submission meter.

 

No Mercy was a great game.. but it's in the past, and a lot of people need to wake the fuck up and realize it's 2003.

 

If they'd continued to make the No Mercy series, and moved it onto gamecube or something, just think about where it would be at now.

IT would still be sadly overrated by it's diehard fanboys.

 

You haven't named one realistic reason as to why No Mercy's better other than you like it more. It offers more in almost every single area than No Mercy did. The games outdated and lacking, and yet here come the troops to still let it be known some kid is still playing it in his basement somewhere because he's mad they didn't continue with the engine.

 

SEason mode, better, single player modes, better, match types, better, CAW, better, moves available, better, level of difficulty, better, backstage areas, duh, graphics, better. What is so better about No Mercy other than your thoughts? Can I go ahead and say Wrestlemania for nintendo is better because I think so? Be logical here, No Mercy doesn't even compare to HCTP, it's like looking at a peice of carved wood with glass on the end and then checking out the hubble. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, as long as you have a reason for having that opinion.

 

I like Smackdown:HCTP more than No Mercy right now, but both of you need to get f'ing laid. Quick and dirty or slow and loving, you'll find that you won't be bitching about peoples personal preferences near as much.

[Guest Random Hero]

I like Smackdown:HCTP more than No Mercy right now, but both of you need to get f'ing laid. Quick and dirty or slow and loving, you'll find that you won't be bitching about peoples personal preferences near as much.

 

Coming from someone who feels the need to join an 'online clique'.

 

I merely said that I didn't like HCTP that much. I didn't ask for everyone to jump down my throat. Then beacuse I attempted to back up my opinion, I need to get laid? I have about 300 posts and I've been here about 8 months. I dare say that I'm one of the last people needing to get laid on this forum, seeing as I have had a girlfriend for over a year.

 

Anyway sorry to get off topic...

 

I don't mean to be a dick here Ghettoman. I just thought I'd offer another perspective seeing as how everyone seems to love the game.

 

Basically everything you said about what HCTP has over No Mercy is true. Personally I prefered No Mercys CAW but as for everything else you're right HCTP has it beat. But like I said, I don't really care for all the minor things as much as some people. I don't care if it has loads of Japanese moves in it or bra and ppanties matches. All I care about is, a good in-ring experience with decent enough graphics and a few basic match types.

 

You get a sense of how grueling a match is when it drags on for ages in No Mercy. I just don't think you get the same feeling in HCTP.

 

Also when it comes to fun for multiplayer I think No Mercy has the edge by quite a way. The match pacing in No Mercy is much more realistic. HCTP is way too fast sometimes, the way people dart around the ring, it's just daft.

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Coming from someone who feels the need to join an 'online clique'.

 

Irrelevant. What I do at other times here is not involved at all in this conversation.

 

Then beacuse I attempted to back up my opinion, I need to get laid? I have about 300 posts and I've been here about 8 months. I dare say that I'm one of the last people needing to get laid on this forum, seeing as I have had a girlfriend for over a year.

 

 

Glad you have a girlfriend, and hope things work out for you. I am also glad you needed to bring her up in your discussion to attempt to prove a point.

 

I merely said that I didn't like HCTP that much. I didn't ask for everyone to jump down my throat.

 

Ok.

 

You lot are easily pleased. It's not a patch on No Mercy, Wrestlemania 2000 or even WCWNWO Revenge. It's fun for a while, until you realise that it's just another shitty smackdown game with some new features. Once you've played all the new characters and tried the new match types, you may as well be playing Smackdown 4 again.

 

I've had it for 1 day and I'm already sick of it.

 

 

Basically everything you said about what HCTP has over No Mercy is true. Personally I prefered No Mercys CAW but as for everything else you're right HCTP has it beat. But like I said, I don't really care for all the minor things as much as some people. I don't care if it has loads of Japanese moves in it or bra and ppanties matches. All I care about is, a good in-ring experience with decent enough graphics and a few basic match types.

 

You get a sense of how grueling a match is when it drags on for ages in No Mercy. I just don't think you get the same feeling in HCTP.

 

Also when it comes to fun for multiplayer I think No Mercy has the edge by quite a way. The match pacing in No Mercy is much more realistic. HCTP is way too fast sometimes, the way people dart around the ring, it's just daft.

 

 

One of these quotes adds to the discussion, while the other could come off as "bitching" because we enjoy a game you don't. If you posted like the second selection the first time, no one would have "jump down your throat".

[Guest Random Hero]

Irrelevant. What I do at other times here is not involved at all in this conversation.

 

And what I do at other times in my life was involved in a conversation about video games?

 

I didn't mean to come off as bitchy, I was just a bit surprised by all the positivity HCTP has garnered. I mean yeah it's an ok game and I knew quite a few people would like it. But it seems as though noone has said anything against it so far.

 

Most people I know prefer No Mercy, must be something in the water up here.

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I didn't mean to come off as bitchy, I was just a bit surprised by all the positivity HCTP has garnered. I mean yeah it's an ok game and I knew quite a few people would like it. But it seems as though noone has said anything against it so far.

 

It's all good. I have many complaints about the game but they are far outweighed by the positives, for me at least. I also didn't mean to come off as serious, being my whole tenure here has pretty much been me attempting to amuse myself, and have a good conversation whenever possible. Later.

[Aero 0]

So has anyone tried the challenge of beating Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, or Old School Taker with someone like Rico in a normal single match? I've tried beating Brock a bunch of times with Rico, and still can't do it. Once I got his head and body down to orange... he almost tapped, but I was given an F-5 and lost.

[JHawk 0]

So has anyone tried the challenge of beating Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, or Old School Taker with someone like Rico in a normal single match? I've tried beating Brock a bunch of times with Rico, and still can't do it. Once I got his head and body down to orange... he almost tapped, but I was given an F-5 and lost.

 

Apparently the only way I can beat The Undertaker with Chris Benoit is if they refuse to acknowledge it afterwards (I got beat at WrestleMania in under 4 minutes with a SmackDown Special advantage to start), so why the fuck would I try it with someone with Rico?

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Hm... When does this happen? The whole "faction" part?

 

Hm... Must go single wrestler to get this I guess.

 

Yeah, you have to say you want to work as a singles wrestler.

[Guest Random Hero]

I finished off my season as Cena. I've only been playing it to get Dibiase.

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

Anyway it was a total anti-climactic end. The whole 'whose feet hit first 'deal happened between me and Angle, after I won the Rumble.   I beat him in a Last Man Standing match at No Way Out but then he got another rematch and sneaked by me, on Smackdown.   So then that was it, I wasn't booked on the last 2 Smackdown events and I wasn't at Mania.   And all that happened was Coach sympathising with me, cos' he wasn't there either.   Roll Credits.

[{''({o..o})''} 0]

I just beat Goldberg with Trish on Smackdown difficulty. The match sucked though. Basically clothlines, stomps, kicks from behind, rope guillotines, and 4 Chick Kicks later, 1-2-3.

[Downhome 0]

I just beat Goldberg with Trish on Smackdown difficulty. The match sucked though. Basically clothlines, stomps, kicks from behind, rope guillotines, and 4 Chick Kicks later, 1-2-3.

You can actually win a match, using anyone, against anyone, on ANY difficulity you please by simply going to the top rope, jumping off with whatever moves you have that you can do to a standing opponent, and just doing that over and over again.

 

Your opponent will always come to the corner to try to throw you off, and you'll nail them each and every time.

 

I refrain from doing stuff like this, because really, is the game even worth playing if we do that all of the time?

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Finally got the game today...8 hours later have taken a break, when my inability to get anyone to submit to the Crippler Crossface in a Benoit season got to me.

 

I get the submission bar almost to the end but the bastards still won't tap, even after 4 or 5 crossfaces. Maybe I'm bad at tapping buttons or something.

 

Otherwise, all good.

[Guest Ray]

I just beat Goldberg with Trish on Smackdown difficulty.  The match sucked though.  Basically clothlines, stomps, kicks from behind, rope guillotines, and 4 Chick Kicks later, 1-2-3.

You can actually win a match, using anyone, against anyone, on ANY difficulity you please by simply going to the top rope, jumping off with whatever moves you have that you can do to a standing opponent, and just doing that over and over again.

 

Your opponent will always come to the corner to try to throw you off, and you'll nail them each and every time.

 

I refrain from doing stuff like this, because really, is the game even worth playing if we do that all of the time?

They don't counter you?

 

I've had them grab me while climbing the turnbuckle, or the move missed and it left me open to attack.

 

Finally got the game today...8 hours later have taken a break, when my inability to get anyone to submit to the Crippler Crossface in a Benoit season got to me.

 

I get the submission bar almost to the end but the bastards still won't tap, even after 4 or 5 crossfaces. Maybe I'm bad at tapping buttons or something.

You need to really wear down your opponent to get a tap out. Lots of head and arm attacks (Benoit's DDT and powerbomb do lots of head damage, and he has about 100 armbars).

[Lightning Flik 0]

Finally got the game today...8 hours later have taken a break, when my inability to get anyone to submit to the Crippler Crossface in a Benoit season got to me.

 

I get the submission bar almost to the end but the bastards still won't tap, even after 4 or 5 crossfaces. Maybe I'm bad at tapping buttons or something.

 

Otherwise, all good.

It really all matters on how your character has to be played.

 

My own CAW, Lightning Flik, has to use a lot of brawling/striking techniques to use his first finisher (Chick Kick) and grappling/brawling to use his secondary finisher (Testdrive). Unless I properly use his moves for the right finisher, then I can't get the match to go the way I want it.

 

Or so I found out recently with Brock. I still won, but I was lucky that he didn't manage to hit the F5 on my ass and beat me.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Batista is a fucking beast. I went through season with him, and he went undefeated. Going through my second season with him (I unlocked everything except the legends, I saved them for last) and he is still undefeated (except for agaisnt Stevie Richards, which doesn't count).

[Lightning Flik 0]

Batista is a fucking beast. I went through season with him, and he went undefeated. Going through my second season with him (I unlocked everything except the legends, I saved them for last) and he is still undefeated (except for agaisnt Stevie Richards, which doesn't count).

Like that loss to Axel doesn't count either right Flambe?

 

Anywoo, I've got a title match against Kurt Angle at Backlash. WWE Title is going to be defended in a Ladder match. Yikes.

 

I suck at those.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

.........

[Downhome 0]

I just beat Goldberg with Trish on Smackdown difficulty.  The match sucked though.  Basically clothlines, stomps, kicks from behind, rope guillotines, and 4 Chick Kicks later, 1-2-3.

You can actually win a match, using anyone, against anyone, on ANY difficulity you please by simply going to the top rope, jumping off with whatever moves you have that you can do to a standing opponent, and just doing that over and over again.

 

Your opponent will always come to the corner to try to throw you off, and you'll nail them each and every time.

 

I refrain from doing stuff like this, because really, is the game even worth playing if we do that all of the time?

They don't counter you?

 

I've had them grab me while climbing the turnbuckle, or the move missed and it left me open to attack.

Well you obviously don't climb up to the top when they are RIGHT THERE with you. If you do that, they'll just toss/hit you off and you'll fall down. Also, you obviously wait untill they are near you.

 

You wait untill they are on the other side of the ring, climb up to the top, and then whey they are walking towards you you hit the move. It'll work every single time if you know what you are doing. Also, keep in mind that certain top rope moves must be done with your opponent a certain distance away from you, so just know what move you are going to pull off, so you can time it right.

 

The easiest move to do, if whoever you are has the move, is the missle dropkick.

 

I'm not saying to use this method, because it just ruins the game if that's the only way you play against the computer. I hope that they fix this "trick" for the next SD game, so that it isn't even an option to use.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I've beaten Season Mode with Kane, Goldberg, my Sting CAW, and now it looks like I'm going to do it with Big Poppa Pump as well.

 

For some reason I'm enjoying RAW a lot more then S-Down because I lose intrest whenever I start a season with anyone on that show.

 

Oh and Steiner is pretty awesome in this game, BTW.

[Lightning Flik 0]

.........

Hey. At least you only have two losses.

 

I just lost my WWE title to Angle.

 

God damn fucker got the Angle Lock on me.

[NYU 0]

So has anyone tried the challenge of beating Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, or Old School Taker with someone like Rico in a normal single match? I've tried beating Brock a bunch of times with Rico, and still can't do it. Once I got his head and body down to orange... he almost tapped, but I was given an F-5 and lost.

Ugh, took me FOREVER to beat the Big Show using Rey Misterio in an Exhibition Match. I did my best not to use any weapons, and it probably took me about a dozen times - spread over 3 or 4 days - to finally do it. He must have kicked out of 4 619's in that match, at least. If you want another serious challenge, try that.

[Downhome 0]

I only play the game on hard, and I have SUCH a hard time trying to defeat someone like Goldberg when using a lower card type of guy.

 

But, I love it. I've had some of the best matches of all time in this game.