HHH's vendetta against RVD

[Guest RollingSambos]

Most people assume that HHH has a vendetta against RVD because of him working stiff and sloppy, but I think that it goes waay deeper than that. Now, we all know how insecure and easily threatened Trips is. We also remember how crazy over RVD was during the InVasion angle in 2001. Do you know how much that must have killed Trips? He had to sit in his hotel room every Monday and Thursday night and watch this guy 10x more athletic and naturally charismatic than him, who worked a stiff and unorthodox style, getting over with absolutely NO HELP from the front office...unlike Trips, who was shoved down our throats in 1999 by the powers that be. And unlike these days with his short-term injuries like blood clots and groin injuries, there was NOTHING that he could do about it...he was a good six-eight months away from being able to bury RVD. Do you know how much that must have killed him, watching an ECW guy/Jericho version 2.0 connecting with the fans and getting thrust into a main event only a few months after his debut?

 

So he comes back in 2002, working as a babyface, and he heads to the Royal Rumble. And who is the very first guy that he buries? RVD, with the infamous 10-minute Pedigree of DOOM. This was almost a year before RVD crushed his throat with the botched Five-Star, and I think that this demonstrates that HHH had his sights set on RVD from the very beginning.

[KTID 0]

HHH is simply jealous of someone 1000x more over and talented than he could ever dream of being.

[caboose 0]

To be fair, RVD is not more talented than Triple H. He is a superior athlete but that is all. RVD cannot work at all well compared to Triple H in his heyday and even now. If Triple H pulled it out, he would shame RVD.

 

I hate Triple H and am not defending his burial of RVD (if it was deliberate), but I hate stupid comments that are just absolute bullshit.

[KTID 0]

I'm sorry, i didn't realise HHH's calculating and methodical/slow and boring style was better than a guy that can actually, you know, MOVE.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

I totally agree with caboose. I'm sure HHH is envious of those "gay" looking punches that RVD is still throwing.

[LooseCannon25 0]

I'm gonna have to agree and say that HHH is MUCH better of a worker than RVD......now, Rob is more exciting to watch and flashy, and is the far better athlete, but HHH is the better worker, has better presence, much better psychology and tells the story in the ring much much better than RVD.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

HHH in the ring is much better than RVD. He still isn't good, but RVD is one of the worst workers in the company. Hell, Big Show is a better worker than RVD.

[Internet Warfare 0]

I agree there Ramus.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

Fuck Sake, Big Show has my vote for "Most Improved" of 2003

[Invictus 0]

I don't find RVD to be charismatic either. He's certainly a likeable personality, but being a stoner doesn't make you charismatic. It makes you annoying.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Fuck Sake, Big Show has my vote for "Most Improved" of 2003

He has improved, but I still think Undertaker has made the biggest strides in the past year.

[LooseCannon25 0]

Fuck Sake, Big Show has my vote for "Most Improved" of 2003

He has improved, but I still think Undertaker has made the biggest strides in the past year.

I totally agree....Taker was stinking up rings a year ago...Now he has incorporated some different styles, is much quicker, better shape, and has been good to watch.....Kudos to him for being able to adjust and improve at his age

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I suspect Vince is suspicious of putting a world championship on a guy who's so well known as a pothead. With as much border jumping as they do having your world champ get busted for weed would be a huge embarassment.

 

Yes, we just had a year of a steroid monster as champion who just jobbed to another, but generally "the boys" are smart and secretive about that kind of thing, where as people all over are a lot more liberal about marijuana. Except, of course, the DEA and politicians.

 

 

Also, even Invasion era RVD was never as "charismatic" as DX-era HHH, so I don't get that one either.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm sorry, i didn't realise HHH's calculating and methodical/slow and boring style was better than a guy that can actually, you know, MOVE.

I'd rather have a guy that can HIT SPOTS, personally.

 

RVD doesn't do much of ANYTHING all that well.

-=Mike --- Who wishes Hurricane would be given a I-C Title program instead of RVD

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm sorry, i didn't realise HHH's calculating and methodical/slow and boring style was better than a guy that can actually, you know, MOVE.

I'd rather have a guy that can HIT SPOTS, personally.

 

RVD doesn't do much of ANYTHING all that well.

-=Mike --- Who wishes Hurricane would be given a I-C Title program instead of RVD

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

HHH in the ring is much better than RVD. He still isn't good, but RVD is one of the worst workers in the company. Hell, Big Show is a better worker than RVD.

Maybe you mean wrestler. Workrate by definition involves the pace of the match, how hard one bumps, how fast they run the ropes, etc. Basically how much energy they put into it.

 

Whether or not workrate is necessary is up to you. Personally, I feel it's not very useful at all. If wrestling were to be likened to a painting, than workrate would be the shine of the coating. I mean really.

[razazteca 0]

Well if they keep on putting RVD in the ring with 300 pound 'roid mosters what do you expect.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

HHH in the ring is much better than RVD.  He still isn't good, but RVD is one of the worst workers in the company.  Hell, Big Show is a better worker than RVD.

Maybe you mean wrestler. Workrate by definition involves the pace of the match, how hard one bumps, how fast they run the ropes, etc. Basically how much energy they put into it.

 

Whether or not workrate is necessary is up to you. Personally, I feel it's not very useful at all. If wrestling were to be likened to a painting, than workrate would be the shine of the coating. I mean really.

'Workrate' and 'worker' are two different things. Worker is simply another term for wrestler.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Well if they keep on putting RVD in the ring with 300 pound 'roid mosters what do you expect.

Now, I know Jericho has gained weight, but I don't think he's 300 Pounds.

[razazteca 0]

Well if they keep on putting RVD in the ring with 300 pound 'roid mosters what do you expect.

Now, I know Jericho has gained weight, but I don't think he's 300 Pounds.

Jericho may have been taking Stacker 2 products but thats besides the point. I was refering to the Main Event matches that RVD has been involved in.

[Guest Ray]

Rob Van Dam is not a good wrestler. Never was, never will be. Triple H's peak matches are better than Van Dam's.

 

They BOTH suck right now. Van Dam being able to do flips doesn't make him vastly superior to Triple H. I hate Van Dam's current matches just as much as Triple H's.

 

Triple H buried Van Dam, but Vince had buried him long before that. Everyone rushes to bash Triple H (and he deserves a lot of it), but you must remember that VINCE MCMAHON buried a ton of people too.

 

Oh, one more thing. Van Dam should NOT be a main eventer. He came in to WWE and got huge pops, but the ratings didn't go through the roof, did they? He shouldn't have been buried like he was, but he also shouldn't be a constant main eventer as many seem think...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

-=Mike --- Who wishes Hurricane would be given a I-C Title program instead of RVD

Time for me to say once again that Helms could be to Evolution what Malenko was for the Horsemen, if he'd agree to give up that stupid midcarder gimmick.

 

While the S.H.I.T stuff is getting pops which is more than some midcarders (Christian?) it's not going to legitimately elevate anyone. Hurricane turning on Rosey at this point could actually serve as a decent enough heel turn though.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

HHH in the ring is much better than RVD.  He still isn't good, but RVD is one of the worst workers in the company.  Hell, Big Show is a better worker than RVD.

Maybe you mean wrestler. Workrate by definition involves the pace of the match, how hard one bumps, how fast they run the ropes, etc. Basically how much energy they put into it.

 

Whether or not workrate is necessary is up to you. Personally, I feel it's not very useful at all. If wrestling were to be likened to a painting, than workrate would be the shine of the coating. I mean really.

'Workrate' and 'worker' are two different things. Worker is simply another term for wrestler.

I guess, but it makes it easier to distinguish by using wrestler when describing wrestling. Worker implies workrate, but meh, it's a stupid argument. I'll just drop it.

 

It's pretty pointless to point all of this garbage out, but am I the only one to notice this, as no one has mentioned it yet? If this crap normally goes on, I guess it's a good thing that I normally stay out of this folder.

[NoCalMike 0]

RVD is a better worker than Triple H. Unless you are purely going by what you have seen in WWE. If you are going purely by WWE matches, then I'd say they are about even. The RVD/Eddie ladder matches were probably just as good as any Triple H match, that actually had anything to do with Triple H and not his opponent bumping like a lunatic.

 

Look at RVD's ECW and Japan matches. RVD is very capable of doing everything people on here claim he can't, however in the WWE world of 3 min crash tv matches, many elements of a "great" match have to be omitted in order to achieve the bottomline.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

        -=Mike --- Who wishes Hurricane would be given a I-C Title program instead of RVD

Time for me to say once again that Helms could be to Evolution what Malenko was for the Horsemen, if he'd agree to give up that stupid midcarder gimmick.

 

While the S.H.I.T stuff is getting pops which is more than some midcarders (Christian?) it's not going to legitimately elevate anyone. Hurricane turning on Rosey at this point could actually serve as a decent enough heel turn though.

I've been begging for a Helms heel turn for a while now. Drop the superhero gimmick, cut a promo about comic books being for losers, signing autographs for kids instead of hooking up w/ chicks, and bring back the Sugar Shane name.

 

I'd prefer he go back to SD to do it, but if it means getting a push, I wouldn't be averse to him hanging w/ Evolution.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

HHH's peak matches may have been better than RVD's peak matches (although, personally, I'd take the Stretcher Match between RVD and Sabu over a good chunk of HHH's matches, just for the "HOLY SHIT~!" factor, and the fact that Rob actually utilized SOME psychology into his spot-laden offense by focusing on Sabu's neck), but RVD has one thing HHH will NEVER have: "it."

 

And I don't mean "it" as in a wrestler that can make it big. I mean "it" as in a wrestler who can't HELP but be over. Few wrestlers truly have "it." RVD, I feel, is one of them.

 

And THAT, IMO, is why HHH hates him. RVD got over in the WWF during his FIRST APPEARANCE (all it really took was the Van Daminator; of course, I don't count the WWF vs. ECW mini-feud in 1997). It tooks HHH years to get over.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

RVD was even worse in ECW than he is now and the ladder match is just a bad spotfest. His match at Judgement Day 2002 was much better. RVD is generally worse the longer the matches go, so I don't see your point. Unforgiven is a good example of a 20 minute RVD match. The Women's Match was better.

[CanadianChick 0]

Triple H may have something against RVD, but, when you get down to it, it's Vince that's keeping Rob from getting any higher in the card. I don't see why he doesn't just push a guy getting a good reaction rather than people not getting a reaction at all. It really boggles my mind. Sure, maybe if he got a push, he wouldn't draw. But don't you think that someone who gets a reaction is more likely to draw than someone who doesn't?

[Guest RollingSambos]

I'm sure HHH is envious of those "gay" looking punches that RVD is still throwing.

 

He doesn't throw punches at all, he throws forearm blows. Some people say that they look weak, but they would actually have quite the stunning effect.

 

As far as the "better worker" argument goes...I don't think anybody was ever arguing that RVD is a good worker. I just said that Trips was jealous of his athleticism, not his working ability.

 

That's why I also pointed out that RVD has a stiff and unorthodox style...Trips is an advocate of the WWE style, so he would be pissed that a sloppy worker like RVD was getting that style over.

[Just call me Dan 0]

        -=Mike --- Who wishes Hurricane would be given a I-C Title program instead of RVD

Time for me to say once again that Helms could be to Evolution what Malenko was for the Horsemen, if he'd agree to give up that stupid midcarder gimmick.

 

While the S.H.I.T stuff is getting pops which is more than some midcarders (Christian?) it's not going to legitimately elevate anyone. Hurricane turning on Rosey at this point could actually serve as a decent enough heel turn though.

I've been begging for a Helms heel turn for a while now. Drop the superhero gimmick, cut a promo about comic books being for losers, signing autographs for kids instead of hooking up w/ chicks, and bring back the Sugar Shane name.

 

I'd prefer he go back to SD to do it, but if it means getting a push, I wouldn't be averse to him hanging w/ Evolution.

I can't whole-heartedly agree there because he'd more than likely be playing the EXACT same charcter as Hardy. I can't have that. Sugar shane Helms is a great and catch name, and he could just lighten up his current attire a bit. Problem still remains that the guy has a pretty bad speech problem, and that takes away from his interview skills (which I'm not too high on). His voice just sucks, IMO.