haVoc Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Many backstage feel that Rhyno is being buried by Vince McMahon partly due to being an ECW/Paul Heyman creation, much like Rob Van Dam. Many in WWE seem to still be "fighting the war" against WCW and ECW (despite the war obviously being over) and thus sometimes do not push "WCW and ECW talent." Credit: 1wrestling/411
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Sometimes things are so obvious they shouldn't even be written about. This is one such time.
Ripper Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 In other news, If RVD and RHYNO quit the WWE, NWA TNA would welcome them with open arms and give them the pushes they deserve. Credit: 1wrestling.com in the near future.
Papacita Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 I don't get this. Wasn't Vince on friendly terms with Heyman and ECW for the most part?
Guest Coffey Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 In other news, If RVD and RHYNO quit the WWE, NWA TNA would welcome them with open arms and give them the pushes they deserve. Credit: 1wrestling.com in the near future. Much rejoicing would ensue. Credit: NWA:TNA fans.
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 the Observer reports that people breathe oxygen to survive and puppies are the cutest.
Mecha Mummy Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Oh, and I hear that Jim Ross just may be a Stone Cold fan, and that Randy Orton could be getting a push sooner than he deserves...
Slingshot Suplex Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Vince doesn't hate Ryhno then...he hates Heyman and Rhyno takes the fall for it.....
Guest StevieNightHeat Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Vince McMahon has no idea what to do with ECW talent. Rhino and all the other ECW talent are just there to make the WWE talent look good. If Vince didn't create them, he doesnt like them.
Slingshot Suplex Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Are the Dudleys the only exception to the ECW holddown?
razazteca Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Vince created Mark Henry and look at him now, he sure is a great talent.
RavishingRickRudo Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 C'mon, he's rhYno - that's pure WWF. RRR: Waiting for Rhyno to become a heat announcer.
razazteca Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Are the Dudleys the only exception to the ECW holddown? Do you call a year long match up vs La Resistence a good thing?
Cran Da Maniac Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Are the Dudleys the only exception to the ECW holddown? Vince: But they were stuttering Hillbillys before they came here!
Slingshot Suplex Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Are the Dudleys the only exception to the ECW holddown? Do you call a year long match up vs La Resistence a good thing? Considering the state of the tag division......maybe. But the Dudleys have been one of the more prominantly featured teams in the WWE for years winning multiple tag titles. I'd say that's a decent push.
Guest Goodear Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Maybe they're hllding Rhyno back because ever since he's come back from injury... he's SUCKED THE MEAT MISSILE. Gone is is his super fun retro jersey airplane spin offense and it has been replaced with chinlocks. Lots and lots of chinlocks... chinlocks everywhere. Add that to the complete loss of acleration that Rhyno used to have (the gore is almost sad now in how tepid he throws it) and you have someone is belongs right where they are in the lower midcard.
AlwaysPissedOff Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Well... to be fair, Rhyno wasn't exactly worth a damn *before* he got injured, either.
haVoc Posted October 8, 2003 Author Report Posted October 8, 2003 Rhyno was one of the only Alliance guys who were over and he was putting on good matches every week. He hasn't done shit since. Except for that time Vince kicked him out of the ring....
Toxxic Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Are the Dudleys the only exception to the ECW holddown? Maybe talent stolen is treated slightly differently to talent that came in towards the end of the other company's life. Tajiri came in earlier than Rhyno, IIRC, and while he hasn't become world champion and was the victim of racial stereotyping he hasn't been treated TOO badly. You, know, as the WWE goes. The Duds were brought in and given title runs. And what about the Radicalz? They were WCW and ex-ECW talent that were stolen, and while it's true that Benoit and Eddie should perhaps have been pushed all the way, they haven't exactly been buried. Well, except Benoit's recent A-Train problems... OK, Raven is the exception to this rule.
RavishingRickRudo Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Vince has a problem pushing talent that isn't HIS creation. A wrestler from ECW or WCW with a remodled gimmick and character will get pushed more than a wrestler who has a successful gimmick/character carried over from ECW or WCW.
OldSchoolWrestling Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Its too bad too. Rhyno would be the perfect Arn Anderson in Evolution.
RavishingRickRudo Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Tajiri has turned a dozen times by now. The only reason he is remotely over is because of his in-ring talent. Eddie was retooled under "Latino Heat", Benoit was the same character, but they haven't given him a STRONG push - he has been used as enhancement talent for as long as he has been there.
Papacita Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 OK, Raven is the exception to this rule. Think about that one for a second.
Slingshot Suplex Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Its too bad too. Rhyno would be the perfect Arn Anderson in Evolution. I hadn't thought of that...but you're right.
Guest webmasterofwrestlegame Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 I remember a time when WWE business was good, and that Vince could get away with these sort of egotistic and childish ways. Unfortunately, his company is dying a slow death and he needs all the help he can get. 2002 was the first sign of desperation when he brought back anybody into WWE had at one time been there. We are in 2003 now and things aren't much better.
dubq Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Many backstage feel that Rhyno is being buried by Vince McMahon partly due to being an ECW/Paul Heyman creation, much like Rob Van Dam. Many in WWE seem to still be "fighting the war" against WCW and ECW (despite the war obviously being over) and thus sometimes do not push "WCW and ECW talent." Credit: 1wrestling/411 In other news, Rhyno sucks anyways!
Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0 Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Rhyno's become that much worse than he was before the neck injury? I didn't even notice... ... The worsening of the WWE in general between his leave and return probably helped that a lot. If anything, it seems to my piss-poor perception that Rhyno is just a little below his pre-injury performance and the WWE style's constantly worsening is mostly to blame for the chinlock-o'rama that was him vs Benoit a while back.
NoCalMike Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 Are the Dudleys the only exception to the ECW holddown? Maybe talent stolen is treated slightly differently to talent that came in towards the end of the other company's life. Tajiri came in earlier than Rhyno, IIRC, and while he hasn't become world champion and was the victim of racial stereotyping he hasn't been treated TOO badly. You, know, as the WWE goes. The Duds were brought in and given title runs. And what about the Radicalz? They were WCW and ex-ECW talent that were stolen, and while it's true that Benoit and Eddie should perhaps have been pushed all the way, they haven't exactly been buried. Well, except Benoit's recent A-Train problems... OK, Raven is the exception to this rule. The Radicalz don't really count. They weren't big time players as far as stardom goes before the WWE. Yes they were the best wrestlers on the planet(sanz Saturn), but any WWE mark that tells you they were a huge fan of them before coming to WWE is lying their fucking ass off, cause I remember trying to argue with people that Benoit/Eddy/Malenko were better than Rock/Austin back in the day. As far as the Dudleys go, yes they are an exception, but remember Vince did try to fuck with them, I mean D-Von the preacha-man? Vince did try to change them a bit, it just didn't work because they were too well known already. Also, with the fucked up tag team situation, they seem to be the only over face tag team that anyone cares about even though they have been overexposed for years. It's not so much that Vince minds where the wrestler came from. What matters to Vince is that HE MADE THEM A star, not someone else. He doesn't want to push a wrestler that got over big time in another company, and is carrying the same gimmick, because in his warped mind, fans will take it like, Look it's that guy from *insert company here* beating up the WWE wrestler. So Vince has to reprogram and redistribute some zany gimmick for them in order to make people think of said wrestler as that zany thing, and not that guy from *insert company here* I mean Austin had been everywhere before WWE, but the STONECOLD gimmick was WWE homegrown, and that is what matters. Same with all the Radicalz, they had basically all done everything you could possibly do in wrestling besides wrestle in a wwe ring, yet Vince refused to push them(after the initial, "My Gawd it's the Radicalz push)until he outfitted some stupid gimmicks to go with them like, "toothless aggression" or "Latino Heat wants to date Chyna"
humongous2002 Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 God,I truly hate Vince, not for Rhyno but for not giving RVD a world title belt by now.
Fökai Posted October 8, 2003 Report Posted October 8, 2003 "In other news, Vince McMahon is in talks with agents of Bret Hart to use him in a wrestling capacity for the Wrestlemania XX PPV. Absolutely nothing has been seriously discussed yet, and although Hart is unable to physically work a match ever again, if it does go down, you heard it here first! 1wrestling.com
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