Straight Edge

[justsoyouknow 0]

It's extremely copasetic.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

Is ducky good or bad?

Its the same as swish.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Meh, Minor Threat were white supremacists anyway so take what they say with a grain of salt.

Huh?!? Where'd you hear that Minor Threat were racists? They must have just been faking their friendships with Bad Brains and Toni Young, not to mention the various Jews that were part of the DC HC scene.

 

I'll give you that Minor Threat is made up of upper-middle class suburban kids wishing that they were more street, but not racists.

Kinda makes you think when they release a song called "Guilty of Being White".

Is that the entirety of your argument? A song title? And a song that has NOTHING to do with disliking minorities?!?

 

How about Black Flag? They released a song called White Minority; does that make them white supremacists? What about the fact that they had both Jewish AND Mexican band members.

 

I've been a fan of Minor Threat for since 1986, and that's the first time that I've ever heard that they were racist. I'd have thought that something about their passionate white pride would have come out during one of their shows with Bad Brains.

[Guest Dids]

One of the big things that folks seem to miss is that there is a lot of violence associatted with sXe, which is one of the reasons why most folks who don't drink or do drugs don't automatically associate themselves with the "movement".

 

I was first aware of Straight Edge when I heard about sXe's kicking other kids asses.

[The Czech Republic 0]

One of the big things that folks seem to miss is that there is a lot of violence associatted with sXe, which is one of the reasons why most folks who don't drink or do drugs don't automatically associate themselves with the "movement".

 

I was first aware of Straight Edge when I heard about sXe's kicking other kids asses.

Yeah I don't know where I fit in with my abstinence. I'm not militant, so I can't be considered sXe, but then I don't wear special underwear to protect myself from a vengeful God, so I'm not a Mormon either. Damn group mentality.

[Nighthawk 0]

Group mentality is for people with no friends.

[Guest T®ITEC]

One of the big things that folks seem to miss is that there is a lot of violence associatted with sXe, which is one of the reasons why most folks who don't drink or do drugs don't automatically associate themselves with the "movement". 

 

I was first aware of Straight Edge when I heard about sXe's kicking other kids asses.

Yeah I don't know where I fit in with my abstinence. I'm not militant, so I can't be considered sXe, but then I don't wear special underwear to protect myself from a vengeful God, so I'm not a Mormon either. Damn group mentality.

The LDS straight-edge kidz are some of the biggest pussies I've ever met.

 

Just thought I'd throw that in.

[The Czech Republic 0]

One of the big things that folks seem to miss is that there is a lot of violence associatted with sXe, which is one of the reasons why most folks who don't drink or do drugs don't automatically associate themselves with the "movement". 

 

I was first aware of Straight Edge when I heard about sXe's kicking other kids asses.

Yeah I don't know where I fit in with my abstinence. I'm not militant, so I can't be considered sXe, but then I don't wear special underwear to protect myself from a vengeful God, so I'm not a Mormon either. Damn group mentality.

The LDS straight-edge kidz are some of the biggest pussies I've ever met.

 

Just thought I'd throw that in.

I know a Mormon guy that just moved here recently and he's really nice and hasn't tried to convert me yet. Which is good because if I wasn't thnking it through I may've agreed to go through with it. That temple in Salt Lake City is pretty cool-looking from the outside.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

If someone knocked a drink out of my hand I don't care about being the bigger man.....

 

they're getting Pillmanized.

[Nighthawk 0]

LDS is just a swish away from LSD, as is mormon to moron. They shoulda picked better names.

[Guest Nacho Nixon]

If someone knocked a drink out of my hand I don't care about being the bigger man.....

 

they're getting Pillmanized.

I prefer the one-step solution - you break my drink, you eat the glass.

[AboveAverage484 0]

Yeah, Nevermortal, you're pretty cool, but saying Minor Threat were white supremacists is kind of ignorant on your part.

 

The reason they wrote "Guilty of Being White" is because when Ian was in an predominately black high school, he got fucked with a lot by black kids after they learned about slavery in class. Which is pretty wrong.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

If someone knocked a drink out of my hand I don't care about being the bigger man.....

 

they're getting Pillmanized.

I prefer the one-step solution - you break my drink, you eat the glass.

There's no style in that though.

[Guest El Satanico]

The asshole sXe people...mormons...they are alot alike. Bunch of damn personal enjoyment nazis.

 

 

personal enjoyment? oi

[Guest The Old Me]

Calmly explaining why you don't drink or smoke is just ducky, but when I get the typical, "I DON'T WANT TO POLUTE MY BODY WITH THAT! YOU'RE GOING TO DIE! YOU'RE GOING TO KILL BABIES ON THE RIDE HOME!" then I frown upon straight-edgers.

Exactly. That's my biggest problem with sXe. Don't look down on me fucker, because I can drink, smoke pot, smoke cigarettes and lead a normal life.

[Nevermortal 0]

Caffeine is not out of the question; some choose to do it, some not.

 

CM Punk is a big sXe'r and he's got a damned Pepsi tattoo on his arm.

[Nevermortal 0]

Yeah, Nevermortal, you're pretty cool, but saying Minor Threat were white supremacists is kind of ignorant on your part.

 

The reason they wrote "Guilty of Being White" is because when Ian was in an predominately black high school, he got fucked with a lot by black kids after they learned about slavery in class. Which is pretty wrong.

I am pretty cool, I don't need people to tell me that I am, but thanks anyway.

 

I remember reading an article presenting the facts on why Minor Threat were white supremacists but for the life of me I can't find it.

 

Meh, their music fucking blew ass anyway.

 

Shit, Code 13's better than them, and Code 13 sa-hucks.

[1234-5678 0]

As for being losers, if refusing to alter my state of being with chemicals makes me a loser, then so be it.  I must be weird for trying to remember what I did last night.  How foolish of me.

Yeah, but not everyone who drinks does so to get absolutely bombed out of their skull.

I've never met anyone like that. Why drink? For the taste?

[Guest El Satanico]

As for being losers, if refusing to alter my state of being with chemicals makes me a loser, then so be it.  I must be weird for trying to remember what I did last night.  How foolish of me.

Yeah, but not everyone who drinks does so to get absolutely bombed out of their skull.

I've never met anyone like that. Why drink? For the taste?

He's not saying that not everyone drinks to get drunk. He's saying that not everyone drinks until they're so drunk they black out.

[Guest SP-1]

I keep away from the stuff for various reasons. Mainly because I like to maintain selfcontrol over my body and mind as much as possible. Even as a Christian, I don't see a problem with drinking, it's drunkenness that I have a problem with.

 

Though, I also don't associate myself with 'sXe' as a group. I abstain from these things for reasons of faith and from observing what they've done to people around me while growing up.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

JAxlMorrison Posted on Oct 31 2003, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE (Nevermortal @ Oct 31 2003, 06:23 PM)

QUOTE (Sandman9000 @ Oct 31 2003, 01:16 PM)

As for being losers, if refusing to alter my state of being with chemicals makes me a loser, then so be it.  I must be weird for trying to remember what I did last night.  How foolish of me. 

 

Yeah, but not everyone who drinks does so to get absolutely bombed out of their skull. 

 

I've never met anyone like that. Why drink? For the taste? 

 

 

It is very hard to top a well mixed Jack and Coke or root beer paralyzer(or reg. para. for that matter.) for taste in a drink.

 

I'm not 'edge', I have to quit the stuff for medical reasons.

 

1. Alcohol - got it beaten easy.

 

2. Tobacco - currently prepping to try quitting ciggy's(or is that mentally stalling until the notion of quitting is gone?)

 

3. The 30 or so tylenol I take each day - I might only take two out of three on this checklist. I came by this little 'problem' honestly...I swear!

[Damaramu 0]

Hmm....I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. But I have friends that do and I have no problem hanging out with them....does that make me straight edge? Nope....because I choose not to identify myself with that.....and besides...sex....sex is very good.

I've gone to plenty of parites and not drank. Nobodies ever bothered me about it and I've never bothered anybody about drinking....if you go to a party where there's going to be drinking and you don't drink that's fine. But don't walk around when EVERYONE else has a beer in there hand and freak out on them. That's just....not cool.

[Guest DR PHIL]

I'm about as straight edge as one can be without actually claiming to be as such.

But you HAVE to read this shit, it's fucking GOLD!!!

 

Pay attention to his spelling of brain.

 

SXE-THE STRAIGHTEDGE MONTHLY

 

Look at the guy for christ sakes, is that a fucking cigarette hanging out of his mouth?

[The Thread Killer 0]

The banner that you see in my signature which says: “No Booze. No Drugs. No Fear.” is not a sXe saying, it’s mine.

 

I created the banner, and it’s hosted on my server, and other people like Sandman are using it with my permission.

 

I identify with the Straight Edge Movement, simply because I do not drink, smoke, do drugs, or engage in unsafe recreational sex.

 

“What is Straight Edge?  Straight Edge is a reaction to hedonism and self-destruction…the basic tenet of the philosophy centers around the issue of self-control. The goal is to regain as much personal control over your own life as possible. sXe is the only youth counter-culture to actively discourage drug use, alcohol use, and casual sex. Straight edge is a lifestyle centered around personal development and well being, while encouraging fun and togetherness. sXe is not just about being into contemporary punk music acts and being against drugs. It goes deeper than this. The movement wishes to attract people away from dependency lifestyles centered around drug habits and unhealthy and exploitative eating and general living habits common in modern cultures. sXe is not dogmatic, there are no hard rules, these are for you to decide. Nobody should dictate like the police, or preach an ideology like the church or state.”

 

I DID all of those things…I did them a LOT, and it got me nowhere, and close to death, in fact.

 

I started drinking when I was in High School. I didn’t have a great deal of interest in it, it’s not something I would have done if left to my own, but my friends were doing it, so I did it too.

 

It was fun.

 

I went to parties. A lot of parties. Parties that if I didn’t drink, I wouldn’t have been welcome at.

 

It was at a party, while drinking, that I started to smoke. I don’t even remember how, I was too damn drunk. I just started smoking.

 

So one day, here I am at a party, drunk, smoking, when somebody passes me “the herb.”

 

I was drunk, and I wasn’t thinking, so I took a drag.

 

Time passed. Fast Forward about 10 years, and I am a hardcore drinker, who gets drunk every Friday night, I get high almost as often, and I am a smoker.

 

You know who made me do this?

 

Me.

 

Nobody put a gun to my head and forced me to drink. I was the one who started smoking. I decided on my own, of my own free will to smoke doob.

 

However…

 

I took that first drink because I was a scared 14-year-old kid, who wanted to fit in with his friends. I took the step.

 

That step led me down a long path, to a place I didn’t want to go.

 

On August 30th 1999, I was dating a stripper, who worked in a club that one of my drinking buddies, (and the guy who sold me my drugs) worked as a bouncer.

 

I stayed there drinking all night, until about 2:00 a.m. when the place closed. Then me, my buddy, my girlfriend and one of the waitresses went back to her place.

 

We sat around drinking and getting high. We were talking about how much we could drink and smoke. I told them about the fact that I had such I high tolerance for booze that I couldn’t get drunk from just beer anymore.

 

The alcohol content of 5.5% wasn’t enough to get me drunk…I’d be pissing it out before I got drunk from it…so I had invented something I called “Stingers.” You buy a cheap bottle of bourbon (Wild Turkey to be exact.) You do a shot. Then you have a beer. Then you do another shot, right away.

 

Repeat, six times.

 

Then, I would be drunk. Of course, I would also have consumed around 18 drinks in about 30 minutes…but HEY…I’d be DRUNK! That was the important thing!

 

Then, I could drink beer all night, and keep my buzz going. Which I could suppliment with the odd toke here and there to mellow me out, settle my stomach, and help me sleep.

 

This waitress asked me if I had ever done coke. She thought I should…because then you could stay up even LONGER and drink even MORE!!!

 

My buddy left. My girlfriend and this waitress started making out and having sex (Important Note: Many if not all strippers actually hate men and are bi-sexual, usually with other strippers.)

 

They invited me to do a few lines of coke off of their naked bodies while I watched them have sex.

 

After thinking about it for about 1.2 seconds (I was drunk, so it took me a minute) I said OKAY!

 

Something I remembered about myself. I always used to say:

 

“Yeah, I drink, but only beer. Never hard liquor, and how many alcoholics do you know that drink just beer?”

 

Of course, then I invented the stinger. Then it was:

 

“Yeah, I drink a lot, but I don’t do any REAL drugs like coke or heroin. I just get high maybe once a month…okay, maybe twice. Okay, maybe every weekend…but I don’t do any hardcore drugs.”

 

Now here I was, doing a line of coke off of two naked women.

 

(I’d love to tell you how HOT they were, but my girlfriend was just average…and the waitress had a good body, but you could kick a field goal between the gap between her front teeth.)

 

So on August 30th 1999, here I was, drinking, getting high, doing coke, and having sex with two women. I stayed for 24 hours straight, partying like a madman.

 

How do I remember the date so clearly, you might ask?

 

Simple. That was the day I was arrested.

 

So the waitress had to go to Montreal, so she kicked me and my girlfriend out of her apartment. We drove back to her place, where I crashed on the couch for a few hours. Before I went to sleep, I took a little pill called PAXIL.

 

Paxil is an antidepressant…which I had been prescribed due to anxiety and depression. Looking back now, I can’t imagine WHY I was depressed.

 

A few hours later, I woke up, got behind the wheel, and drove home to my own apartment. I fell asleep behind the wheel, and drove my car into a ditch. It flipped over, end over end.

 

I woke up in the back of an ambulance. The police found some beer cans in my car, so they decided to test me.

 

I tested WAY over the legal limit for alcohol, plus of course I had cannabis and PAXIL in my system. (Amazingly, the cocaine never showed up on test. My lawyer told me later that it takes a while to show up…but it stays in your system for SIX MONTHS.)

 

I was arrested for Driving Under The Influence, Dangerous Driving, and Criminal Negligence. A was a guest at the Iron Bar Hotel for while.

 

Oh by the way…my car was destroyed, and I got a concussion, and sustained permanent damage to my neck. I am now partially paralyzed in my left hand. I have no feeling in my left forefinger and middle finger, and on cold days my hand stops working altogether…and I barely have the strength to hold a pencil.

 

I went to a doctor, and I now have a nice big hole in the lining of my stomach from drinking so much fucking whisky. I have to take antacid every morning just so I don’t spend the entire day puking up pure stomach acid.

 

I was sentenced to 90 Days in Jail, fined $2000, and lost my driver’s license for 2 years.

 

Fun huh?

 

Oh by the way, yeah…I failed math too.

 

You know whose fault this whole thing was?

 

Mine. Mine. Mine.

 

The morning I got out of the slam, I called Alcoholics Anonymous.

 

I have not done drugs since that night. I am ashamed to say that I have fallen off the wagon three times since then…however if I can make it to New Years Day, 2003 will be the first SOBER year of my adult life. I will have made it an entire year without drinking or drugs.

 

So why do I identify with the Straight Edge Philosophy?

 

Simple.

 

It is there for kids, and tells them that it’s okay to NOT drink, or do drugs.

 

It tells girls that you don’t HAVE to let the acne infested scumbag slobbering all over you drool his way into your pants.

 

It’s OKAY to say NO. There are OTHER people who don’t drink, do drugs, or engage in recreational sex. (Which is much different from Monogamy, by the way.)

 

I really don’t CARE if people want to do these things. It’s a free world, baby. I have plenty of good friends who drink, do drugs, and sleep around.

 

I just can’t do it. It will kill me.

 

So yeah, I identify with the Straight Edge Philosophy.

 

I invented the slogan: “No Booze. No Drugs. No Fear.”

 

You know why?

 

I have no fear anymore. I’m not afraid of dying from an overdose, or getting alcohol poisoning, or not getting a job, for failing a drug test.

 

Saying YES is EASY. Drinking was easy. Smoking was easy. Fooling around was easy.

 

Staying sober is hard. Being faithful can be hard at times.

 

However, I think that being Straight Edge builds character. Being strong enough to avoid dependency on chemicals is impressive. I control my own behavior and destiny now. Chemicals don’t tell me what to do anymore. My own urges don’t control me.

 

If you drink, or get high, or fuck around to have fun, cool. Go nuts.

 

However…if you CAN’T have fun UNLESS you are doing these things, then you have yourself a problem my friend. I can have fun without getting drunk or high now.

 

I don’t cram this down people’s throats…this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned it here, and I did it because somebody asked. I’m not going to lie, sometimes I see people who are all fucked up on drugs, or drunk out of their skull, and I feel disgusted.

 

I don’t know why. Maybe because the sight of somebody who can’t control their own behavior and lets a substance control them makes me sick…but it’s more likely because I used to BE one of those people…and I am ashamed to think about how I must have looked. And the sad thing is, one slip, one mistake, and that could be ME again.

 

I am a Social Worker, by trade. I work with abused kids. The one thing I tell them all, is that they have to be in control of their own lives. Not their parents…not their friends…and not drugs or booze. I tell the young girls that selling themselves is not the way…every time they accept money for sex, they are selling a little piece of their soul.

 

One common factor I have found…in 13 years of being a Social Worker, and having working with literally thousands of abused kids…is that Substance Abuse always seems to be involved in abuse.

 

Either people who abuse substances abuse kids, or kids turn to substances to deal with the pain of the abuse. Ironically, here I was all these years, trying to work with these kids…when I myself was abusing substances…part of the same abuse excuse that held them all prisoner.

 

There is another way.

 

So THAT is why I am Straight Edge.

 

End of rant.

[Guest Nacho Nixon]

If someone knocked a drink out of my hand I don't care about being the bigger man.....

 

they're getting Pillmanized.

I prefer the one-step solution - you break my drink, you eat the glass.

There's no style in that though.

I can't manage anything with style - I'm crazy from the drugs, don't you know?

[Silence 0]

Hmm....I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. But I have friends that do and I have no problem hanging out with them....does that make me straight edge? Nope....because I choose not to identify myself with that.....and besides...sex....sex is very good.

I've gone to plenty of parites and not drank. Nobodies ever bothered me about it and I've never bothered anybody about drinking....if you go to a party where there's going to be drinking and you don't drink that's fine. But don't walk around when EVERYONE else has a beer in there hand and freak out on them. That's just....not cool.

You sound almost like me, except I never go to parties. I just stay home, visit this forum and other wrestling forums, and play video games. It sounds boring, but I deal with it.

[Guest stardust]

Geezus, Dave. I knew about the alcohol abuse and stuff, but I didn't know about the other stuff. Kudos for having the strength to leave that stuff behind. I know far too many people who are alcoholics or pot heads or a combination of both, and I've seen how hard it is for them to quit drinking or quit smoking weed. So, yeah...damn.

[The Thread Killer 0]

Geezus, Dave. I knew about the alcohol abuse and stuff, but I didn't know about the other stuff. Kudos for having the strength to leave that stuff behind. I know far too many people who are alcoholics or pot heads or a combination of both, and I've seen how hard it is for them to quit drinking or quit smoking weed. So, yeah...damn.

 

You know, I probably shouldn't have told that story...especially here, but it bugs me when I see people calling Straight Edgers losers for not wanting to drink or do drugs or whatever.

 

I'm Straight Edge, and I drank more, and smoked more, and banged more than half the people who are against it...but look where it got me. Nowhere.

 

I don't like preachy people of ANY kind, and when I see other recovering addicts giving people lectures, it pisses me off...I say to each their own...but it does NOT make somebody a loser if they choose to say NO.

 

So there.

 

N'yar.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I could wreck a million cars a million times, break every bone in my body, wipe out a third world country, have a deeply reflective life changing event, and I would NEVER quit smoking weed. Do I not have the "strength" to deal with shit? No. I'm a responsible person with a decent full-time job, that has never so much as gotten a SPEEDING TICKET. I do all the same shit any sober person does throughout their day, just as well (if not better) than the next guy, only I do it blazed as shit. People mistake sobriety for strength way too often. Everyone can make whatever decision they want when it comes to their fix (and everyone has one, whether it's exercise, heroin, or ice cream.)

 

Mine's pot. What's yours?

[The Thread Killer 0]

My name is Dave, and my anti-drug is crystal meth.

 

 

No...wait.

 

I think it DOES take strength to stay sober, and I know this, because I've done it...and it's HARD.

 

As I said, I have plenty of friends who get high all the damn time, and that's fine with me, I just don't do it.

 

Although...I have also seen the long term effects of pot use on these guys, and it's made me glad I quit.

 

I am not sure of the medical science and statistics behind prolonged cannibis use, (nor do I wish to) but I know it does fuck with your sperm...and can affect motivation in the long term. I have a hard enough time not getting fired for being lazy when I'm clean...the last thing I need is locoweed helping me get lazier.