Rawknight Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 With Erek Taylor and the Xstasy back in the fed.. isn't it time to unmothball the curiserweight title?? Division of: Quiz Ejiro Fasaki Wildchild Johnny Dangerous Annie Eclectic Tom Flesher!! Xstasy Erek Taylor Ced Ordonez is enough for a TON of cool matchups Crow, Mak Francis and Xcalibur aren't too far over the limit either (Bret-Sized)
The Amazing Rando Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 i'm 225 ...if and when i ever get called up *prays* i'm set to make a damn good run in the next few months...and i want to make everyone proud.
Crowe Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Hm. I'd rather go after the HCG title. That said, I need an angle. IS ANYONE A HEEL AND FREE FOR AN FEUD!?!?!?
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 I'd drop the Hardcore Title in a second if the LHW division were re-instated.
the.weej Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 That division has some flaws, mainly... Quiz - Not active Ejiro Fasaki - Above the title Wildchild Johnny Dangerous Annie Eclectic - Not active Tom Flesher!! - Way, WAY above the title Xstasy - Above the title Erek Taylor - Above the title Ced Ordonez - Not active Mak Francis - Not active Xcalibur - Not active Crow - Not active -Z
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Uh... what do you mean by "above the title?" I'd like to consider WC to be as good as Ejiro, at least from a kayfabe standpoint, and I certainly don't consider myself above the title!
Crowe Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Z, I'm looking to become active once I find someone to partner or feud wiht. I want to wait out until I have an angle set up.
the.weej Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 WC, the LHW has never really been a prestigeous belt. It's always been seen as below/on par with the US and HCG. As far as "above the title" goes, well... Erek's a main eventer, Tom's the champion, and Ejiro could be close to main eventing right now if he stopped holding himself down. I do not, sad to say, see WC at that level yet. (And I know you're probably going to bring up that match I booked a show ago, but I'll level with you: I'm aware you have no desire to main event or go for the World, but more appropriate opponents were booked up for that show.) -Z
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Eh, screw the US Title, too. I guess I'll just hold on to this one until you guys change your mind... Not main event material, huh? That's cool. I guess I'll content myself with being the RVD of the fed...
Secret Agent Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 The LHW title should be rename Cruiserweight Championship. Then it would be gold. I say a title is only as perstegious as the champion makes it out to be. Right now it would be more of a feat to defeat Wildchild for the Hardcore, than to beat me for the US, or Xstasy for the ICTV.
Rawknight Posted November 9, 2003 Author Report Posted November 9, 2003 WC, the LHW has never really been a prestigeous belt. It's always been seen as below/on par with the US and HCG. As far as "above the title" goes, well... Erek's a main eventer, Tom's the champion, and Ejiro could be close to main eventing right now if he stopped holding himself down. I do not, sad to say, see WC at that level yet. (And I know you're probably going to bring up that match I booked a show ago, but I'll level with you: I'm aware you have no desire to main event or go for the World, but more appropriate opponents were booked up for that show.) -Z A belt's as prestigious as it's booked. Just cos Vincent Kennedy McMahon doesn't like anyone smaller than himself doesn't mean the SWF Brain Trust (and yes, i'm using that in a non ironic way - a brain trust WITH BRAINS) couldn't book the belt to be semi main and main some shows. Position on the card means NOTHING. I've main evented and been dumped on my head as the curtian jerker about three times already. And personally I consider myself a mid midcarder... I've got a US title shot (which can happily wait till I'm through with Danny), but i'm fueding at ICTV level with Danny and Dace.
the.weej Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Fine, fine, fine. I'm sorry for bringing it up; I don't want to get into a discussion about card position and belt prestige and all that other garbage. What I'm really trying to say is that the LHW isn't the world title, and people who are steadily climbing the ladder simply aren't going to stop and drop down from THE title (well, unless they're Judge ) to try and rebuild an extremely limiting division. I know it happened with the tag titles, but 1) there's no restrictions on tag-teaming, and 2) there was an abundance of writers in the undercard then. We don't have that surpuls of aimless writers right now, in my opinion. And honestly, that's a GOOD thing, but a point for another day. -Z
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 I resent being indirectly (intentionally or otherwise) lumped in with "aimless" writers; my aim is very specific, and isn't a secret to anybody.
the.weej Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 I wasn't lumping you in, actually. But to be able to rebuild a division, you need a star writer (ie: J&R with the tag belts, and you, in this case, Wildchild) for it, and a bunch of other people floating around, looking for something to do. EDIT: Or, alternatively, a group of people commited to the same goal. It's just that I don't see that happening here. -Z
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Fair enough; I don't think I can actually name one other writer, besides myself, who would rather be LHW Champion than the world champion.
Secret Agent Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 I wouldn't mind. Not everybody can be World Champion and nobody except Thoth can get the belt away from Flesher anyway. Maybe we could at least do a few matches with Cruiser Weight rules, if they are any different I don't know. It's just a thought, but don't ignore what you have like some real feds do.
Justice Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 In all honesty, the LHW is only as good as the person holding it. It shouldn't have a perscribed place on the card because of the Restrictions set against it; that's what the US Title is for. I think most of are getting this subliminal message from the WWE that the Cruiserweight title needs to be in the lower card. BS. We've had Light-Heavyweight World Champions before, so if they want the belt they can get it. Maybe they need to get their fire back, or maybe they have something against the champ. But seriously, this need not be a card-position argument.
The Amazing Rando Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 I would like to go on record as to say that if/when/whatever i get bumped up... i would concentrate more on being a great cruiserweight wrestler... ...in fact is what i am going for more with my new gimmick... I want to be known as a great innovative cruiser rather than just a bland guy with no emotion/feeling or presense.
HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 If there is anybody that can bring the CW/LHW title back to credibility, it's Wildchild. I support bring the title back, and putting it on WC.
Rawknight Posted November 10, 2003 Author Report Posted November 10, 2003 Yeah the main reason I thought about this is because i'm facing two cruiserweights in my next match, cos I found out Erek was a cruiser (I thought it was wrong not to know ANYTHING about the fed's current top heel) and cos W1LDCH1LD AMZ TEH R0X0R!
King Cucaracha Posted November 10, 2003 Report Posted November 10, 2003 As well as those mentioned, the majority of active SJLers right now are cruiserweights, or could be considered cruiserweights. I think it'd be a good starting point for certain bumpees...cough cough... ...to get a headstart in the SWF. Hell, like Rando, I'd be a cruiserweight based wrestler if I get bumped in the near future...the guys who are cruiserweights prefer cruiserweight style matches I guess. But, you don't want too many titles, that's the main problem. The more titles there are, the less important each one becomes.
WrestlingDeacon Posted November 10, 2003 Report Posted November 10, 2003 The LHW belt blows donkey dick. I demand that an International Hoss Title be created upon my triumphant return this coming February 30th at the inaugural Memphis Eel Backyard Barbecue ppv.
Guest ErekT2k3 Posted November 11, 2003 Report Posted November 11, 2003 Not everybody can be World Champion and nobody except Thoth can get the belt away from Flesher anyway. Give the rest of us a little credit. Flesher's a great writer, but anybody can lose to anyone on any given day.
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 Ultimate bumpage~! I dunno... in light of the 13th Hour card, I guess I felt that this thread was mildly pertinent, simply because of some of the discussion about whether or not a Cruiserweight Division would ever be viable again. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that it's been a roaring success, but I'd like to think that I've helped to make the division relevant... I'd especially like to thank Pretzler for being willing to participate in an angle that I feel has helped to elevate the division, even if just a teeny weeny bit. Hooray Cruiserweights!
muzz Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 Ultimate bumpage~! I dunno... in light of the 13th Hour card, I guess I felt that this thread was mildly pertinent, simply because of some of the discussion about whether or not a Cruiserweight Division would ever be viable again. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that it's been a roaring success, but I'd like to think that I've helped to make the division relevant... I'd especially like to thank Pretzler for being willing to participate in an angle that I feel has helped to elevate the division, even if just a teeny weeny bit. Hooray Cruiserweights! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is a great day indeed! Well done Wildchild! You've done a great thing and should be commended! Look at all the posts saying Wildchild is great! That's reason enough to bump this thread! Nah, I can't have a go at you. You did what you said you'd do. And at least you admit this is just self-congratulatory.
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 .... You just can't resist the urge to rain on my parade at every single possible opportunity, can you Sacred?
HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 I agree with Sacred. Wow, one feud and being put in an angle that has you main eventing a PPV doesn't bring the CW division to whatever "success" you want it at.
Cuban Linx Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 On a slight tangent, is there even anyone in the fed that ISN'T a cruiserweight these days? It's seems this place has been 95% cruiser for a long time now. I agree with Frost's seven month old sentiments, we need a Hoss Title.
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 I wasn't "put" in this feud, Spike. As for the rest of your comments... well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I submit that the argument that Va'aiga and Judge were presenting (and myself, in PM/chat conversations with Zed) was that a title division can be as good as the people in the division want it to be. No title should be inherently more deserving of a higher place on the card, with the possible exception of the World Heavyweight Championship, and as I recall, at least two "mid-major" promotions (ECW and TNA) have, for a period of time, promoted a secondary title over their own Heavyweight title. And, maybe it's just my opinion, but I feel that everybody in a given title division should want to make it as good as it can possibly be; you were in the CW division, and even set the record for the longest reign, yet you clearly didn't think very highly of the Cruiserweight division, since you never really made much of an effort to get either the belt or anyone else in the division over... But that doesn't mean that either those of us still in the CW division, or the people reading the shows, should feel the same way. In fact, I am hopeful that the work that Pretzler and I are putting into trying to elevate the CW division will inspire some other people to want to compete for that belt. Plus, let's not forget that this is an angle-driven fed; the most interesting angle should main event a PPV. Maybe you're angry because it's me and Pretzler instead of you and Toxxic, but if you are, you need to take it up with CC, because I had no input in their decision. - Dub Cee
Mr. S£im Citrus Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 On a slight tangent, is there even anyone in the fed that ISN'T a cruiserweight these days? It's seems this place has been 95% cruiser for a long time now. I agree with Frost's seven month old sentiments, we need a Hoss Title. Well, Light-Heavyweight/Cruiserweight is generally considered < 230 in pro wrestling, so let's see: Heavyweights: Manson Mak Francis Archie Griffon Li'l Buck Bryan Rodgers Danny Williams Nick Blum Cruiserweights (according to listed weight): Landon Maddix Johnny Dangerous Toxxic Todd Cortez Spike Jenkins Insane Luchadore Wildchild Scott Pretzler Jay Hawke JJ Johnson (still active?) Ejiro Fasaki Zyon So, at the moment, Cruiserweights outnumber the heavyweights 2-to-1. I can kinda see your point, Stryke, but I also think that having the fed be 75-80% Heavyweight is just as bad as having 65-75% Cruiserweights, especially when 90% of the Cruiserweights always want to be the Heavyweight Champion, anyway...
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