White Judge Draws Fire for Costume

[MrRant 0]

Well I'm from WA state and if you go on the opinions of some people here........

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Fuck the NAACP, "black leaders," and all of that other bullshit.

 

YAY - I'm now a racist! Who wants to be in my club?...

[Guest HungryJack]

I hate all people of color. Ever. Fuck 'em.

 

 

Racism is dead. It's all in fun now.

[Guest MikeSC]

"Primo" material? That's a good excuse.

 

Thanks.

 

I'll say this much; I had the opportunity to get a job as a server, but turned it down in favour of getting a *real* job.

 

Of course, I was in college at the time, so the desire for a serious job was lacking. But, hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

A friend of mine was working there, and had never told me about any problems he has had with blacks, or has never said that they tip poorly.

 

I find that VERY hard to believe.

 

I mean the whole you having a friend thing.

 

You claimed that "black people are a pain in the BUTT" and that they were "lousy tippers". I don't know, seems pretty offensive and stupid to me.

 

Black customers tend to be both. Call it offensive and stupid if you wish. I find idiocy offensive and stupid, yet I tolerate you.

 

I have the intelligent capacity of a "not-too-bright" rock? As opposed to a "bright" rock? Seriously, shut up. Just shut up.

 

Oooh, burn.

 

If I don't, will that make you leave faster?

 

Oh I'm sorry, refused is the wrong word. You seemed to single out black people, especially with the comments I used before.

 

Not really. High school groups were easily worse than blacks.

 

Of course there are stupid black people, just like there are stupid white people, stupid asians, etc. I'm sure white trash are stupid customers too, so does that mean that "White people are a pain in the BUTT"?

 

If more than half of any of the groups were like that, I'd agree.

 

See, if I were to make a blanket statement like "White people are a pain in the BUTT" (pain in the BUTT?), than everyone would jump on me for being racist. Rightfully so.

 

Nah. You'd be ragged on for being an idiot. And the comment would simply be another grain of sand in the desert of your idiocy.

 

Blithering idiot? Okay. Don't deserve civility? Did I "lose" that "right" somewhere? The nerd comment is essentially "I know you are but what am I". Right up there with your "rock" joke.

 

No right to civility.

 

And you really are an insufferable putz.

 

Just out of curiousity, how old were you when you worked in the restaurant, and what do you do for a living now?

 

College for the waiting tables.

 

Now?

 

What would be the point of even saying?

 

To impress you?

 

For you to claim I'm lying?

 

How 'bout this --- I'm doing something I enjoy more than you enjoy what you do.

 

And, no, I do not care what you do. Please don't enlighten us to it.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to add that Brian is perfectly right. When all the white people that actually use these stereotypes start to affect my life, than it pisses me off and forces me to change in order to deal with it in a calm sort of way. Of course, I don't ask for sympathy nor do I ask for someone else to care, but when I see others that feel that racism is actually working in the opposite way, I really tend to wonder where they came up with this sort of thing.

 

Hmm, tell a white or Asian child who gets rejected from an elite college that accepted a black or Hispanic with lower credentials that it isn't racism.

-=Mike

...Quite frankly, the things that make you wonder might be contained inside the Grand Canyon with some effort.

[Guest MikeSC]

Firstly Spicy, I get a strong undercurrent of disdain for blacks in your writings.  I feel the same with DH.  A couple of choice lines from both of you...

 

And the tired old "If you disagree with the NAACP, you MUST be a racist" crap starts. Took longer than expected, honestly.

 

Spicy McHaggis: "Persecution of blacks does not occur today"

 

Now, Spicy, let's be real.  Persecution of Blacks happens every fucking day.  Look at a place like L.A., where the actions of a certain group of Black people ( Gang members ) make life horrible for any sane, law abiding Black citizen in the area.

 

Since the discussion was racism --- how, precisely, is this WHITE people's fault?

 

Any Black person driving a nice car and listening to loud-bass rap music can be considered a "thug", when I know for a fact that the majority arent.

 

Listening to rap music loud enough to bother others is just rudeness. If you like that crap, so be it. I don't want to listen and would appreciate you not FORCING me to do so.

 

Let's take a look at the job market:  While I dont agree with affirmitive action ( cuz if I were Black and I found out I got a job based solely on my skin color, I'd be offended ), persecution and discrimination happens in this area of society as well.

 

Where today? Companies get no benefit from racism. Racism HURTS a company, if for no other reason than the bad press kills their business.

 

Racism is not PROFITABLE.

 

Companies, as has been said, see only ONE color --- green.

 

To make a blanket statement like that, Spicy, is wildly ignorant.

 

Then, from DH...

 

Downhome: "Fuck the NAACP, 'black leaders', and all of that other bullshit"

 

Wow.  In one sentence, Downhome expressed hatred, not just dislike but HATRED for a major black rights institution, any type of political or spiritual black leaders, and "all that other bullshit", by which I'm going to assume he means affirmitive action, hate crime laws, etc.

 

The NAACP is a joke. They LONG ago abandoned ANY pretense of being a civil rights organization and have become a shakedown racket, just as Jesse Jackson is. The NAACP doesn't support ALL blacks (Clarence Thomas doesn't get much love. J.C Watts doesn't. Colin Powell doesn't. Condoleeza Rice doesn't).

 

And black leaders ARE a problem. You have charlatans like Jackson, Sharpton, and Farrakhan as the "established leaders" of this group. Should people be quiet because the civil rights movement was ONCE honorable?

 

Unions were once a great idea and a necessity. They no longer are and simply seek more power.

 

Ditto NOW.

 

Ditto the NAACP.

 

Blacks would be better off NOT having these charlatans "speaking for" them --- though how much support they actually have is questionable. There really has never been a referendum naming them leaders. They pretty well picked themselves.

 

Hate crime IS BS. Absolute and total. Punishing people for their thoughts is a terrifying concept. And affirmative action? You yourself said you don't like it. Are YOU a racist because of it?

 

The charlatans have made a killing out of the clear expectation that anytime a white is accused of being a racist, they will quiet down and will allow the assorted charlatans to do what they wish.

 

Think of it as McCarthyism or a Salem witch trial --- because that is what it is.

 

Now, he has a point about this "other bullshit". But, a mathematical equation for you:

 

Hatred of Major Black Institutions + Hatred of Major Black Political and Spiritual leaders = Somewhat racist-sounding rhetoric, no?

 

No.

 

I loathe unions. Absolutely loathe them.

 

Does that mean I hate workers?

 

The "organization" is NOT the people. How much in touch they ARE with black America is a question for another time.

-=Mik

[Guest MikeSC]

Bullshit, huh?

 

Look: Doctor's pay

Unless the comparison is of doctors with identical experience, identical qualifications, in identical fields, and with identical levels of expertise, the comparison is useless.

-=Mike

[Guest HungryJack]

I hate whites too. KILL THE WHITE OPRESSORS.

[MrRant 0]

Can we merge this thread with the GETTOPOLY~! thread in NHB (aka Hardcore Discussion)?

 

Hilarity will occur.

[Justice 0]

Christ, this just really pisses me off.

 

Do you know how many times I've been told I have what I have because of my race or gender?

 

Do you know how many cold stares I get back when I say hi to someone of a different race on the street?

 

Do you know how many times I've been told "It's okay, you don't need this because you're white and they aren't"?

 

Do you know how many times I've been called a racist for disagreeing with what someone of a different color said, or that maybe I don't see AA as being really fair?

 

Christ, as though you are the only people on Earth who suffer from society. I'm a middle-class white Republican male at college. Do you know how many people have yelled at me claiming that I don't care about anyone but myself, or that I have somehow caused mass pain and suffering to millions upon millions of people? I am the cause of all the world's problems. I am the fucking anti-Christ. Please, tell me what more pain I can cause and it shall be so! Don't want to blame yourself? Blame me! I'm sure to get it anyways...

 

If your black or Asian or Chicano and have ever driven into a suburb and know about the border patrols that'll pick you up with in minutes. Or if you live in the Ghetto and have seen cops perform a morning-star raid at apartments, going through the whole buildings, rounding up whatever they can find. And anyone here ever been stopped on the highway for a drug search and had a flashlight shined at your genitals. These are just a sampling of things I've seen that most of you guys will never have to go through.

 

Yes, I'm sure that the cops follow every minority person who enters a suburb. Or maybe not. They wouldn't have enough cops to fucking do it with. I know many cops, and are generally a bit too busy to fucking track down every minority person who drives through a fricken suburb. But maybe I'm wrong on my information here. Could you give me your source on this, like some proof?

 

Morning-star raids. Okay, question: What if the police had a warrant to bust a crackhouse in an apartment building which was set up across multiple rooms. You don't think this could happen? Seriously, as though they are rounding blacks up like Jews or something and sending them to camps.

 

My uncle has been strip-searched before, asshole. It's not just bound by color, it's bound by necessity.

[Guest MikeSC]

Christ, this just really pisses me off.

 

See why I get so hostile about this particular issue?

 

Do you know how many times I've been told I have what I have because of my race or gender?

 

Do you know how many cold stares I get back when I say hi to someone of a different race on the street?

 

Do you know how many times I've been told "It's okay, you don't need this because you're white and they aren't"?

 

Do you know how many times I've been called a racist for disagreeing with what someone of a different color said, or that maybe I don't see AA as being really fair?

 

Christ, as though you are the only people on Earth who suffer from society. I'm a middle-class white Republican male at college. Do you know how many people have yelled at me claiming that I don't care about anyone but myself, or that I have somehow caused mass pain and suffering to millions upon millions of people? I am the cause of all the world's problems. I am the fucking anti-Christ. Please, tell me what more pain I can cause and it shall be so! Don't want to blame yourself? Blame me! I'm sure to get it anyways...

 

And just stating that the problems are NOT our fault and punishing US for the sins of our fathers is wrong makes us "evil".

 

This has become McCarthyism. If you don't toe the company line ("Whites oppress blacks. Blacks' problems are due, largely, to slavery. Whites are insufferably racist to the core. America hates blacks), you are a "bigot".

 

People want a "solution" to the "problem" between the races in this country --- then do all they can to shut down ANY discussion about ANY problems that they don't wish to confront. Do I think racism has a part in the problems? Honestly, no, I really don't. Not any longer. There are MANY other problems that have been listed here --- before certain idiots decided to turn this into a bitchfest (myself included in said group). And, just for the sake of sanity, I won't even respond to posts that are nothing more than idiotic babbling. If you disagree and can do so intelligently, grand. Papacita did wonderfully and Ripper usually does a bang-up job. If not, have fun yelling into the wing.

 

Racism is NOT a major factor any longer. It is too much of a HASSLE for cops, corporations, colleges, etc. to be racists. There is no BENEFIT for them in doing so --- but simply pointing this out makes you "blind to the problems blacks face every day".

 

Pointing out that whites don't have this easy, free ride in life means you are "minimizing" the suffering of blacks.

 

If your black or Asian or Chicano and have ever driven into a suburb and know about the border patrols that'll pick you up with in minutes. Or if you live in the Ghetto and have seen cops perform a morning-star raid at apartments, going through the whole buildings, rounding up whatever they can find. And anyone here ever been stopped on the highway for a drug search and had a flashlight shined at your genitals. These are just a sampling of things I've seen that most of you guys will never have to go through.

 

Yes, I'm sure that the cops follow every minority person who enters a suburb. Or maybe not. They wouldn't have enough cops to fucking do it with. I know many cops, and are generally a bit too busy to fucking track down every minority person who drives through a fricken suburb. But maybe I'm wrong on my information here. Could you give me your source on this, like some proof?

 

Another piece of what SHOULD be blindingly obvious common sense. Do you think cops ENJOY writing tickets and arresting people? It's, from what I gather, an epic pain in the BUTT. It's more work for them. They do have OTHER things to worry about.

 

Heck, at night, I don't even know how they'd KNOW a driver was black. It's kind of hard to discern skin color at night.

 

Morning-star raids. Okay, question: What if the police had a warrant to bust a crackhouse in an apartment building which was set up across multiple rooms. You don't think this could happen? Seriously, as though they are rounding blacks up like Jews or something and sending them to camps.

 

My uncle has been strip-searched before, asshole. It's not just bound by color, it's bound by necessity.

 

Hopefully, those who disagree will respond without resorting to the usual "you're a racist" (or inventing quotes, like that inbred moron on page 4 did) and, instead, engage in an actual discussion. I think some will and I am fairly certain some won't.

 

You want the problems SOLVED? You have to realize that the problems are not one-sided.

-=Mike

[treble 0]

Racism is far from dead.

 

Dead. Buried. Eaten by worms.

Hmm, tell a white or Asian child who gets rejected from an elite college that accepted a black or Hispanic with lower credentials that it isn't racism.

Ok, I'm confused. Maybe I'm just reading this wrong, but you claim that racism is dead, then go on to say that Affirmative Action is a racist program. I anxiously await your condescending reply.

[Guest MikeSC]

Racism is far from dead.

 

Dead. Buried. Eaten by worms.

Hmm, tell a white or Asian child who gets rejected from an elite college that accepted a black or Hispanic with lower credentials that it isn't racism.

Ok, I'm confused. Maybe I'm just reading this wrong, but you claim that racism is dead, then go on to say that Affirmative Action is a racist program. I anxiously await your condescending reply.

Racism as a reason for the under-performance of blacks and Hispanics. Affirmative action IS racism, though few wish to call it such.

 

Then again, I've never really figured out WHEN Hispanics were allegedly victims of widespread racism.

-=Mike

[Firestarter 0]

Honestly, slavery and racism did not lead to the conditions black Americans face today. Left-wing entitlement programs did. In the early 1960s, the black illegitimacy rate was only about 10%. In the next ten years, as liberals decided to pay unwed mothers for having more and more children with almost half a thousand new government programs, the illegitimacy rate exploded - to well over 75%. It's still about 60% today.

Can anyone here even begin to imagine what kind of effect that has on a societal group? Well, you don't have to. You can see it in the decaying slums, the misogynistic rap "music," the gang wars, the drug addiction, the alcoholism, the obesity, the dead eyes of the children embittered by their crippling environs. Black Americans today face overwhelming disadvantages because of their skin colour. But it's not the fault of racist whites. It's purely and simply the fault of a simple-minded system that directly rewarded and encouraged some of the most self-destructive behaviour imaginable - and it still does today.

 

But hey, what do I know? I'm white, so I must be a racist too. I'm just blaming the victims, and I must deeply hate black people to say anything like this. The fact that Dr Martin Luther King is one of my heroes only reinforces that fact; we all know he was a boot-licking Uncle Tom. After all, he had a dream that one day race would be irrelevant, that one day, his children would be judged not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character. In other words, he would have been against affirmative action, and so naturally he must have been a self-loathing black, a racist, a traitor to his own people.

Dr King had a dream that one day the children of former slaves and the children of former slave-owners would hold hands and sit down at a table of brotherhood. But we all know that white people can't sit down with blacks without first apologising for being white, don't we? We don't understand what blacks went through, and our presence at such a table would be hurtful because we were all slavers.

Dr King had a dream that one day America would live up to her promise, that she would one day treat all men as if they had indeed been created equal: that she would deny the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to none. Thank goodness we've realised that happiness itself is a right, and if someone, somewhere, isn't happy, the government must not be giving him enough money. Thank goodness we've realised that we can't all be equal on college applications, because some of our ancestors have suffered in the past, and some of us are still suffering today. Thank goodness for that. This is the land of guaranteed success, after all, not the land of opportunity.

Dr King had a dream that one day we'd all sing together the words of an old Negro spiritual: "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, we're free at last!" But it would be cultural imperialism if white people sang a Negro - oh, sorry, I mean an African-American, or a Haitian-American, or a Moslem-American song. Not to mention that the song itself is a racist caricature harking back to the days when blacks were literally slaves. And white people don't have anything to complain about anyway.

 

Dr King had a dream, but we've dispensed with that dream now. How wonderful. How far-sighted. How liberating.

 

How sad.

Edited November 17, 2003 by Cancer Marney

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Mike, are we going to have to hook you up to the R-U-Racist machine?...

 

A brain scan that can apparently root out racists has been developed by scientists.

 

The technique was used on white volunteers shown photographs of black individuals.

 

In those with racist tendencies, a surge of activity was seen in part of the brain that controls thoughts and behaviour. Scientists believe this reflected volunteers' attempts to to curb their latent racism.

 

After interacting with real black individuals, the same group performed poorly in a task designed to test mental resources.

 

The American researchers concluded that harbouring racial prejudice, even unintentionally, stirred up an inner struggle that exhausted the brain.

 

Dr Jennifer Richeson, assistant professor of psychological and brain sciences at Dartmouth College, Hanover, New Hampshire, said: "We were surprised to find brain activity in response to faces of black individuals predicted how research participants performed on cognitive tasks after actual interracial interactions."

 

The scientists first measured the racial bias of 30 white individuals using a standard technique.

 

Volunteers were given a computer test to record the ease with which they associated with white and black racial groups with concepts that were positive or negative. Those with higher levels of racial bias took longer to associate white people with negative concepts and black people with positive concepts.

 

The study participants were then asked to interact with either a white or a black individual. Afterwards, they underwent a test which involved making a mental effort to inhibit instinctive responses.

 

The scan experiment employed a technique called functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to map brain activity.

[Swift Terror 0]

Funny how they didn't bother to perform this procedure on non-whites. But I suspect they went into this experiment with the desire to scientifically affirm what they already believe.

[Guest MikeSC]

Funny how they didn't bother to perform this procedure on non-whites. But I suspect they went into this experiment with the desire to scientifically affirm what they already believe.

Ain't science grand?

-=Mike

[Perfxion 0]

My 2cents.

 

I: Racism isn't dead. It will never die. Racisim isn't as big as it was 30 years ago. It might never ever reach that level. But there are many racist groups out there. It is better in the deep south than it is in the North. Racism in the deep south is people who tell you they don't like you. Or it is people they physically show it. That is why racist actions in the south is on a deciline. Because there isn't much to protest about. Everyone sees the fence and knows what side to stand on. It is worst in a North because people don't tell you. The rare times the KKK shows its face in the North, everyone is all hidden. Nobody admits who they are. .They seldom talked, (check out the the story of Waterbury, CT being the last city in CT to celebrate MLK day. If I can find it, I will edit this post). So racism isn't as right in your face. (Proof of racism, Channel 8 WTNH ABC did a story/package called "True Colors" and showed a black and a white person going for the same job, asking for a buck for the bus, ect. ect. ect. ect as the 20/20 but atleast said it took longer to fill up the package). The problem with racism is that while most blacks know about it and move on. Some use it as crutch. SOME blacks feel they want their 40 archers and a mule. But SOME(like myself) blacks think the whole idea of repperations from tax payers is silly because since all Citizens are tax payers, one would pay more taxes to get a little back and pay taxes on that as well. Waste of time and money.

 

II: Racial profiling is wrong. If you want to go by the numbers of people who speed. They are young males, OF ALL COLORS. And if you want to go by the numbers, more whites speed the blacks on the simple reason of there are more whites than blacks. The is the fact of life. Of crimes COMMITTED, more whites do them than blacks. Of crimes CONVICTED, there are more blacks than whites. What RP tries to do is get convictions by following "Suspects" with out prop cause and bust on the minoriest of things. Then to see it is a young black male, so there must be drugs. Just because a person listens to Jadakiss doesn't mean they push crack. Just because a person listens to cobain, doesn't mean they are going to kill themselves. I am not saying all people in jail show by freed(except YAYO), but something is fucked up when most convictions go to blacks. Could it be a money issue(difference between a good lawyer, a bad lawyer and a public defender is weather you go away or not, weather you are guilty or not) , could it be a racist issue(if a judge finds it funny that a he is dressed like a black man who is a convict, when you are standing trail, how are you going to feel if he is deciding your fate). There are better ways to catch people than racial profiling. I have an easy idea. If a car is speeding in traffic, then catch that person. If a person is weaving in and out of traffic, then catch that person. If a car is going 58 ina 55 zone and they aren't doing anything but the car is full of blacks don't follow it for a few miles because you believe someone is high.

 

III: Afrimative Action to a degree is needed. Here is the better way to do Afrimiative Action. Make ALL kids go to pre-school. Stamford has a program where all kids must go to pre-school. It was made to curb AA in the town by making all kids go on the same footing. All companies in this town are forced to do equal-opp employment. Which means if you are black or white, it doesn't matter it is how well your shit matches to another. AA was made because after Jim Crow was just made illegal, you have a few generations of blacks just screwed over. Because Jim Crow was a problem ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY, that blacks when second class everywhere. It isn't easy(at the time) to be on the same level as whites because education(just speaking public) was that black schools were worse off than white schools. Now. If black schools are worse off, SATS will show that blacks will not be on the same level as whites. With the lower SAT scores, how the fuck do you expect blacks to get into college? It isn't as cut and dry as people think. Jim Crow laws really fucked up the ENTIRE black race. Without AA, it would be another form of segeration because blacks with less chances for equal rights in job hunting and education would have nothing. So it takes another generation. So lets say there was no AA, which started in what? 1970-2? Ok, everyone born from 1968 to Now would be on equal education funding. What about all the parents and grand parents who are still alive and working? How do you help them get a chance? You have two working generations just stuck in a pile of shit called Jim Crow. Forced Intgration wasn't done in some areas until as a late as 1970(VA law). AA did was make it so people who were shitted on have a chance. Now adays AA isn't in practiced in some areas. It is by equal chance. It is not a quota, though some places have it as such. It takes generations to erase the problems of Jim Crow. The goverment wanted to clean it up stat. The problem with AA is that some places and/or some people abuse it. Some places hire Token to look good, which still goes on today. They look for quota scale. Some people scream racism to get hired and then do jack shit. An old thread on this showed blacks fresh off the civil rights movement sticking it to the man because he had the law on his side. Some places ban AA because it isn't fair while some places need it(like the never talked about black employers who only hire blacks). It isn't going to go away anytime soon until employers all over(of all races) are fair to everyone.

 

IV: Now the whole debate on what the problems with blacks are. While Papacita stated there are many problems. MikeSC acts like all blacks are the problem. And Spicy thinks it is just as bad to make fun of a tall person than for a white person to put on black makeup. There are many problems with black America as a whole. But not all blacks are for hand-outs. There are alot of us(wow, picture this) that don't give a shit about what Jesse Jackson says. I know it is shocking to some of you. Black leaders lead such a small group. Most blacks don't care. Al Sharpton is needed on small issues so change is made. He isn't need to become president. There won't be a black male president for a while. Olddie but goodie: The closeest to a black president there will be is Bill Clinton. The 5 major problems with black America from being on par with white America:

 

1: Black Leaders - these people help, but are just as bad as good. NAACP helps all with college. But screams racsim is Billy goes expelled for smoking weed in the public school's bathroom.

 

2: Jim Crow/Enslavement - We all should about this.

 

3: Entertainment/Media - Jadakiss speaks to a small group of black people. Will Smith speaks to a MUCH larger group. Media goes for Jadakiss because he talks about the ghetto hard life. But on the other hand, people like Tupac and Ice-T were rapping about the life they grew up and saw. LL Cool J only raps about love. It is just that all get grouped together because rap is nothing but thugs and hoodlims.

 

4: Blacks who do not want to move on from the past - There are a lot, but most blacks do not fall into this group. This group is small group that holds onto it. The problem is that this group gets amost all the media on black America. Blacks for the most part moved on.

 

5: There is ZERO black unity or community. Blacks un-like Irish, Asians, or Jews that came to this country do not have that feeling of their past. There past coming to this country is on a wooden ship with chains. There isn't a black link to Africa because those links where broken on the ships to this country. That is a big one. As bad as it was for Asian Americans, there is a way to link to their past from another county and move on together. They made something for themselves and kept a bond to the mother country. Name one country you can say a group of blacks came from? Except for the Islanders that came lately, most blacks do not have a link in the past.

 

These are the problems for black America. Those are the major ones. It isn't just blacks are hurting blacks. It is the above. Now, anyone who disputes needs to first be reminded that what you see on TV isn't all of Black America.

 

V: History of Africa would be better without Colonalization. For proof, let me quote a Nas song that tells the truth, just faster than I could:

Be, be, 'fore we came to this country

We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys

It was empires in Africa called Kush

Timbuktu, where every race came to get books

To learn from black teachers who taught Greeks and Romans

Asian Arabs and gave them gold when

Gold was converted to money it all changed

Money then became empowerment for Europeans

The Persian military invaded

They learned about the gold, the teachings and everything sacred

Africa was almost robbed naked

Slavery was money, so they began making slave ships

Egypt was the place that Alexander the Great went

He was so shocked at the mountains with black faces

Shot up they nose to impose what basically

Still goes on today, you see?

If the truth is told, the youth can grow

They learn to survive until they gain control

Nobody says you have to be gangstas, hoes

Read more learn more, change the globe

Before Africa was taken over by British and et al rule, the place was much better than it is now. How can anyone say the place is better off now when such things like Small pox didn't exist until whites came. And how the fuck can it be good when EVERY major diamond field is owned by whites from America and Europe? AIDS shouldn't even be brought up because that problem would be big no matter where you are. Africa was a more peaceful place before the white man, and was fucked over Afterwards. For more proof look at South Africa.

Edited November 17, 2003 by MX

[Guest MikeSC]

Its time for the MX dose on black America by a black person.

 

I: Racism isn't dead. It will never die. Racisim isn't as big as it was 30 years ago. It might never ever reach that level. But there are many racist groups out there.

 

Are there some? Probably. MANY? I personally doubt it. Anytime a racist group marches, there are more COPS protecting them from protestors than there are marchers. These groups are little more than jokes in today's society. The KKK went from powerful and terrifying group to a joke full of inbred yokels.

 

It is better in the deep south than it is in the North. Racism in the deep south is people who tell you they don't like you. Or it is people they physically show it.  That is why racist actions in the south is on a deciline. Because there isn't much to protest about. Everyone sees the fence and knows what side to stand on. It is worst in a North because people don't tell you. The rare times the KKK shows its face in the North, everyone is all hidden. Nobody admits who they are. .They seldom talked, (check out the the story of Waterbury, CT being the last city in CT to celebrate MLK day. If I can find it, I will edit this post).

 

I can understand the desire to not celebrate MLK day (ANOTHER paid state holiday? And there are numerous others who ALSO deserve celebration) --- so I wouldn't say not observing it is equivalent to racism.

 

And, if the racists all remain hidden, then how bad is it? Even the racists realize that they are so hated that nobody will listen.

 

So racism isn't as right in your face. (Proof of racism, Channel 8 WTNH ABC did a story/package called "True Colors" and showed a black and a white person going for the same job, asking for a buck for the bus, ect. ect. ect. ect as the 20/20 but atleast said it took longer to fill up the package). The problem with racism is that while most blacks know about it and move on. Some use it as crutch. SOME blacks feel they want their  40 archers and a mule

 

Actually, to mention that, slaves were NEVER offered 40 acres and a mule. A member of Congress proposed it --- but it was never passed.

 

But SOME(like myself) blacks think the whole idea of repperations from tax payers is silly because since all Citizens are tax payers, one would pay more taxes to get a little back and pay taxes on that as well. Waste of time and money.

 

I think reparations are impossible. How do you know which whites owned slaves? How do you know which blacks had families that were slaves? How do you pay somebody for a problem suffered by their great-great-great grandparents?

 

II: Racial profiling is wrong. If you want to go by the numbers of people who speed. They are young males, OF ALL COLORS. And if you want to go by the numbers, more whites speed the blacks on the simple reason of there are more whites than blacks.

 

Not necessarily. There are MANY more straights than gays. Yet, the sheer number of gays with AIDS is similar --- if not larger than --- the number of straight guys with it.

 

Sheer numbers do not guarantee that.

 

The is the fact of life. Of crimes COMMITTED, more whites do them than blacks. Of crimes CONVICTED, there are more blacks than whites.

 

And that is a very dubious assumption. Women outnumber men. Are there more female violent criminals?

 

What RP tries to do is get convictions by following "Suspects" with out prop cause and bust on the minoriest of things.

 

What RP does is focus resources on the most likely suspects. You see a burning cross. Does it make a lot of sense to ask a lot of blacks if they did it? No, you ask WHITES because they, historically, have tended to do that FAR more than blacks.

 

Then to see it is a young black male, so there must be drugs. Just because a person listens to Jadakiss doesn't mean they push crack. Just because a person listens to cobain, doesn't mean they are going to kill themselves. I am not saying all people in jail show by freed(except YAYO), but something is fucked up when most convictions go to blacks.

 

Thing is, you are claiming that the black convicts are innocent. If they aren't innocent, shouldn't you be HAPPY that they are in jail? After all, should they be freed, they will be committing crimes again. And, most likely, it won't be happening in "white" neighborhoods.

 

The police don't have the time or the desire to deal with the headache to simply be racist.

 

And I have no clue who Ya-Yo is.

 

Could it be a money issue(difference between a good lawyer, a bad lawyer and a public defender is weather you go away or not, weather you are guilty or not) , could it be a racist issue(if a judge finds it funny that a he is dressed like a black man who is a convict, when you are standing trail, how are you going to feel if he is deciding your fate).

 

It's a money issue. Has been for years. O.J can get away with murder. Put me in the same situation with the same circumstances and I'm getting ready to have my head shaved and to be strapped to a chair.

 

There are better ways to catch people than racial profiling. I have an easy idea. If a car is speeding in traffic, then catch that person. If a person is weaving in and out of traffic, then catch that person. If a car is going 58 ina 55 zone and they aren't doing anything but the car is full of blacks don't follow it for a few miles because you believe someone is high.

 

Thing is, at night, how would a cop know the race of the driver?

 

And profiling does serve a necessary evil.

 

A serial killer is on the loose. Do you look for a woman or a man?

 

III: Afrimative Action to a degree is needed. Here is the better way to do Afrimiative Action. Make ALL kids go to pre-school. Stamford has a program where all kids must go to pre-school. It was made to curb AA in the town by making all kids go on the same footing. All companies in this town are forced to do equal-opp employment. Which means if you are black or white, it doesn't matter it is how well your shit matches to another.

 

But how do you do that? You have to have quotas to show "equal opportunity", do you not?

 

AA was made because after Jim Crow was just made illegal, you have a few generations of blacks just screwed over. Because Jim Crow was a problem ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY, that blacks when second class everywhere. It isn't easy(at the time) to be on the same level as whites because education(just speaking public) was that black schools were worse off than white schools.

 

Yes, they absolutely were.

 

Now. If black schools are worse off, SATS will show that blacks will not be on the same level as whites.

 

Then why do blacks from the same schools as the whites perform worse? The numbers tend to stay consistent over socio-economic classes.

 

With the lower SAT scores, how the fuck do you expect blacks to get into college? It isn't as cut and dry as people think. Jim Crow laws really fucked up the ENTIRE black race.

 

So you punish whites and Asians today?

 

What did Asians do to deserve that? Heck, what did white kids do to deserve that?

 

Without AA, it would be another form of segeration because blacks with less chances for equal rights in job hunting and education would have nothing.

 

And what does this do for blacks?

 

Blacks are put into colleges that they are ill-equipped to handle and drop out at a high rate.

 

Perhaps, if they went to a "less prestigious" school, they would have considerably more success there.

 

A degree from a "less prestigious" school goes much further than dropping --- or failing --- out of an elite school does.

 

So it takes another generation. So lets say there was no AA, which started in what? 1970-2? Ok, everyone born from 1968 to Now would be on equal education funding. What about all the parents and grand parents who are still alive and working? How do you help them get a chance? You have two working generations just stuck in a pile of shit called Jim Crow.  Forced Intgration wasn't done in some areas until as a late as 1970(VA law).

 

Forced integration has been a disaster in many areas.

 

But, again, you ignore that whites and Asians TODAY are being punished for that when WE had no part in the earlier problem.

 

Why should I lose a job to a less qualified minority because blacks were oppressed 30 years ago? It doesn't make sense and simply leads to resentment.

 

AA did was make it so people who were shitted on have a chance. Now adays AA isn't in practiced in some areas. It is by equal chance. It is not a quota, though some places have it as such.

 

Places have it as such because they get sued otherwise.

 

It takes generations to erase the problems of Jim Crow. The goverment wanted to clean it up stat. The problem with AA is that some places and/or some people abuse it. Some places hire Token to look good, which still goes on today. They look for quota scale. Some people scream racism to get hired and then do jack shit. An old thread on this showed blacks fresh off the civil rights movement sticking it to the man because he had the law on his side.  Some places ban AA because it isn't fair while some places need it(like the never talked about black employers who only hire blacks). It isn't going to go away anytime soon until employers all over(of all races) are fair to everyone.

 

But AA IS Jim Crow. There is no difference.

 

IV: Now the whole debate on what the problems with blacks are. While Papacita stated there are many problems. MikeSC acts like all blacks are the problem.

 

No, I stated that the problems facing the black community are caused the black community (rampant illegitimacy is a HUGE problem) and that only the black community can fix it.

 

And Spicy thinks it is just as bad to make fun of a tall person than for a white person to put on black makeup.  There are many problems with black America as a whole. But not all blacks are for hand-outs. There are alot of us(wow, picture this) that don't give a shit about what Jesse Jackson says.

 

I'm fully aware of that. As I said, the "black leaders" named themselves leaders. Nobody voted for them, last time I checked.

 

I know it is shocking to some of you. Black leaders lead such a small group. Most blacks don't care. Al Sharpton is needed on small issues so change is made.

 

What is Sharpton needed for? The man is racist, ruined the life of a white cop, and led to rioting. That he is taken seriously by anybody is an insult.

 

He isn't need to become president. There won't be a black male president for a while. Olddie but goodie: The closeest to a black president there will be is Bill Clinton.

 

Yet, ironically, he didn't name a black to a single important post in his administration, while Bush has two.

 

Perhaps blacks might wish to consider leaving the Democratic party, as they may TALK a good game --- they don't really do much for blacks.

 

The 5 major problems with black America from being on par with white America:

 

1: Black Leaders - these people help, but are just as bad as good. NAACP helps all with college. But screams racsim is Billy goes expelled for smoking weed in the public school's bathroom.

 

Agreed.

 

2: Jim Crow/Enslavement - We all should about this.

 

Jim Crow = AA.

 

3: Entertainment/Media - Jadakiss speaks to a small group of black people. Will Smith speaks to a MUCH larger group. Media goes for Jadakiss because he talks about the ghetto hard life. But on the other hand, people like Tupac and Ice-T were rapping about the life they grew up and saw. LL Cool J only raps about love. It is just that all get grouped together because rap is nothing but thugs and hoodlims.

 

And, ironically, these rappers live the most absurdly extravagant lifestyles known to man. Why any kids take them seriously is beyond me.

 

They are IMAGES. They are INVENTIONS.

 

4: Blacks who do not want to move on from the past - There are a lot, but most blacks do not fall into this group. This group is small group that holds onto it. The problem is that this group gets amost all the media on black America. Blacks for the most part moved on.

 

I agree, in part. But I do feel that a lot of blacks do not want to view their problems as what they are --- THEIR problems. They wish to portray a lot of the problems as "vestiges of racism and slavery". Whites did not cause illegitimacy --- unless you wish to consider the disastrous social policies of the Great Society.

 

5: There is ZERO black unity or community. Blacks un-like Irish, Asians, or Jews that came to this country do not have that feeling of their past. There past coming to this country is on a wooden ship with chains. There isn't a black link to Africa because those links where broken on the ships to this country. That is a big one. As bad as it was for Asian Americans, there is a way to link to their past from another county and move on together. They made something for themselves and kept a bond to the mother country. Name one country you can say a group of blacks came from? Except for the Islanders that came lately, most blacks do not have a link in the past.

 

Whites have precious little unity or community. That is a fact.

 

These are the problems for black America. Those are the major ones. It isn't just blacks are hurting blacks. It  is the above. Now, anyone who disputes needs to first be reminded that what you see on TV isn't all of Black America.

 

V: History of Africa  would be better without Colonalization. For proof, let me quote a Nas song that tells the truth, just faster than I could:

Be, be, 'fore we came to this country

We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys

It was empires in Africa called Kush

Timbuktu, where every race came to get books

To learn from black teachers who taught Greeks and Romans

Asian Arabs and gave them gold when

Gold was converted to money it all changed

Money then became empowerment for Europeans

The Persian military invaded

They learned about the gold, the teachings and everything sacred

Africa was almost robbed naked

Slavery was money, so they began making slave ships

Egypt was the place that Alexander the Great went

He was so shocked at the mountains with black faces

Shot up they nose to impose what basically

Still goes on today, you see?

If the truth is told, the youth can grow

They learn to survive until they gain control

Nobody says you have to be gangstas, hoes

Read more learn more, change the globe

Before Africa was taken over by British rule, the place was much better than it is now. How can anyone say the place is better off now when such things like Small pox didn't exist until whites came.

 

A few things. The impact of Africans on Greece and Rome is DEBATABLE --- at best.

 

Whites did not invent slavery. Somebody SOLD the slaves to the whites. Those people would, of course, be Africans.

 

And slavery STILL GOES ON in Africa to this very day.

 

And, do you think Africa wouldn't have widespread epidemics if not British influence? If not for the West, how would Africa have handled their AIDS problem --- which is ravaging them even WITH Western aid.

 

And how the fuck can it be good when EVERY major diamond field is owned by whites from America and Europe? AIDS shouldn't even be brought up because that problem would be big no matter where you are. Africa was a more peaceful place before the white man, and was fucked over Afterwards.

 

Africa was a war-torn land. Has been for MANY years. This mentality of the peaceful Africans until the Europeans showed up is as false as the mentality that "Native Americans" were peaceful and nature-loving until whites arrived.

 

For more proof look at South Africa.

 

Which is actually in better shape than almost any other country on the continent.

-=Mike

[MrRant 0]

Mike has ALOT of time on his hands.

[Guest MikeSC]

Mike has ALOT of time on his hands.

Mike types quickly, actually.

-=Mike

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

"Primo" material? That's a good excuse.

 

Thanks.

 

I'll say this much; I had the opportunity to get a job as a server, but turned it down in favour of getting a *real* job.

 

Of course, I was in college at the time, so the desire for a serious job was lacking. But, hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

A friend of mine was working there, and had never told me about any problems he has had with blacks, or has never said that they tip poorly.

 

I find that VERY hard to believe.

 

I mean the whole you having a friend thing.

 

You claimed that "black people are a pain in the BUTT" and that they were "lousy tippers". I don't know, seems pretty offensive and stupid to me.

 

Black customers tend to be both. Call it offensive and stupid if you wish. I find idiocy offensive and stupid, yet I tolerate you.

 

I have the intelligent capacity of a "not-too-bright" rock? As opposed to a "bright" rock? Seriously, shut up. Just shut up.

 

Oooh, burn.

 

If I don't, will that make you leave faster?

 

Oh I'm sorry, refused is the wrong word. You seemed to single out black people, especially with the comments I used before.

 

Not really. High school groups were easily worse than blacks.

 

Of course there are stupid black people, just like there are stupid white people, stupid asians, etc. I'm sure white trash are stupid customers too, so does that mean that "White people are a pain in the BUTT"?

 

If more than half of any of the groups were like that, I'd agree.

 

See, if I were to make a blanket statement like "White people are a pain in the BUTT" (pain in the BUTT?), than everyone would jump on me for being racist. Rightfully so.

 

Nah. You'd be ragged on for being an idiot. And the comment would simply be another grain of sand in the desert of your idiocy.

 

Blithering idiot? Okay. Don't deserve civility? Did I "lose" that "right" somewhere? The nerd comment is essentially "I know you are but what am I". Right up there with your "rock" joke.

 

No right to civility.

 

And you really are an insufferable putz.

 

Just out of curiousity, how old were you when you worked in the restaurant, and what do you do for a living now?

 

College for the waiting tables.

 

Now?

 

What would be the point of even saying?

 

To impress you?

 

For you to claim I'm lying?

 

How 'bout this --- I'm doing something I enjoy more than you enjoy what you do.

 

And, no, I do not care what you do. Please don't enlighten us to it.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to add that Brian is perfectly right. When all the white people that actually use these stereotypes start to affect my life, than it pisses me off and forces me to change in order to deal with it in a calm sort of way. Of course, I don't ask for sympathy nor do I ask for someone else to care, but when I see others that feel that racism is actually working in the opposite way, I really tend to wonder where they came up with this sort of thing.

 

Hmm, tell a white or Asian child who gets rejected from an elite college that accepted a black or Hispanic with lower credentials that it isn't racism.

-=Mike

...Quite frankly, the things that make you wonder might be contained inside the Grand Canyon with some effort.

You were in college? Well I was and still am in high school. That's no excuse.

 

"I mean the whole you having a friend thing." Still haven't stopped with the pointless flames eh?

 

"Black customers tend to be both." Okay.

 

It's only more than half from your experiences you know. From my experience, I've only experienced racism from white people, never black, Chinese, Hispanic, etc. So is it alright for me to say that only white people are racist? Seems to be accurate considering everything that's happened to me.

 

Nice metaphor about *insert flame here*.

 

"Insufferable putz"? Umm, yeah.

 

I'm seriously curious. No relevance to the discussion, just asking. I'm not stupid enough to think that everyone on the internet is a 35 year old loser living in their parents' basement. You really don't have to be so defensive.

 

Like I said I'm in high school, like everyone else my age. I have a job outside of it but that's not really what I *do*. It's interesting that you had believed that I was older with an actual job. At least that's the impression that I got, otherwise you probably would have made some witty comment about how I'm soon to be a dropout and work at McDonald's, or something to that effect.

 

From this point on, can we stop with the name-calling? It's useless and only serves to...well, I really don't know. It's annoying to have to sift through that crap, because I realized a lot of what I replied to was flaming on your part. If you feel like making another witty comment, feel free.

 

Hmm, tell that to an Asian kid eh? *Looks around* Oh wait, *I* am an Asian kid. Tell ME that, but I'll say it doesn't matter since my grades are high enough to get into wherever I want. Of course, I don't want to say anything because I don't need to feel better about myself by posting it on here. I can tell you this much; I don't know of any case where a white person won't be admitted because of affirmative action. Unlike what people think, it's almost never a case where it's one on one and they have to choose, if anything they'll probably choose both. That's what most of the university admissions people have said when they had come to my school, but what do they know eh?

 

On the flipside, try telling me that it's alright to put people in the same mold where I've received lots of prejudice and problems because of the colour of my skin. Like I said before, I don't need any sympathy because I can deal with it. Some can't, and it's ignorant to think that this sort of behaviour doesn't affect anyone. Of course you can just laugh at this and tell me how wrong I am, but whatever.

 

A Grand Canyon joke? Sure.

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Let's take a look at the job market:  While I dont agree with affirmitive action ( cuz if I were Black and I found out I got a job based solely on my skin color, I'd be offended ), persecution and discrimination happens in this area of society as well.

 

 

Where today? Companies get no benefit from racism. Racism HURTS a company, if for no other reason than the bad press kills their business.

 

Racism is not PROFITABLE.

 

Companies, as has been said, see only ONE color --- green.

 

This is largely true.

 

I'm currently taking an Employment Discrimination class at my law school. The professor actually worked for the NAACP (back when it was still reputable) and saw firsthand cases of true discrimination, and worked on many of them - hell, every now and again he points out one of the cases we're studying in the book as a case on which he worked. When he looks straight at you and nonchalantly states that he cochaired the case - and it's one that was argued before the Supreme Court no less - you're left impressed.

 

This gentleman, who knows far more about the state of racial discrimination in the past and the present than likely ANY of us here do, is of the distinct mindset that companies are, bottom line, amoral entities that are concerned first with making money - and as such, they generally obey the law, as a failure to do so (i.e. violating Title VII or 49 U.S.C. 1981 or any other applicable statute) hurts them financially (through lawsuits and through bad press). Thus, while racial discrimination in employment still exists in some respects, companies are far more often in today's culture to NOT engage in racially discriminatory practices, or to correct any that they find to exist.

 

As for racial profiling - I think Carlos Mencia said it best. "They shouldn't call it racial profiling......they should call it, "Guys who look like you do this a LOT.' "

 

I'm with Mike - it's a necessary evil. This is not to say that violations don't occur, as they clearly do (in some areas - like Baltimore - they occur with far more frequency), but overall it's a system that does have its uses, as distasteful as it may be to admit that.

[Ripper 0]

Sigh...good thing I took my little break when I did. I probably would be banned right now for pointing out how many idiotic moronic retarded ass comments are in this thread...mostly from Mike not suprisingly.

 

Mike...seriously...you are a brain dead idiot when it comes to race relations. I don't have the time or patience to go back through and pick apart you ususal weak ass comments. Blah blah, blacks segregate themselves on college campuses...blah blah, blacks are lazy...blah blah blah.

 

Blacks in comparable schools do just as well as whites. you take a school with funding out the ass and a school in the inner city where the current events section in the histroy books are talking about the upcoming dukakis, bush election, then who do you think will have better scores.

 

We are now about 40 years removed from when racism was written LAW in this country. 2-3 generations tops. The progress has been wonderful despite what the media tells you(speaking of the media, its funny how you will use magazines and such as sources when they support your argument, but everything else is lying crap if it doesn't...hmm...).

 

Its not like the Irish were poor for a year and got over it. Its not like the Jews were out of the ghettos in five. They also had one weapon that black americans didn't have. White skin. How many just changed their names, and pretended to be american to get ahead? How in the fucking hell was that suppose to work for black americans. This nation was taught Racsim. Their children was taught racism. To pretend that it ended because the law said so speaks to your ignorance. Anyone that says racism is dead, ANY FUCKING ONE is a moron, simple as that. Especially to say that the younger generation hasn't experienced racism anymore.

 

So come back and say some dumb shit about how africans sold the slaves to americans or what the fuck ever as if it has any relevance whatsoever. Slavery ended in the 60's btw. Africans weren't still selling blacks.

 

Oh yeah...and the judge putting on black face and dressing as a criminal and people are still saying that was racist? What do you have to do these days short of tying a noose around a black guys neck to be considered racsit....besides spout off like Mike.

[MrRant 0]

So... are you saying Mike is a racist or what?

[Ripper 0]

I called Mike a racist about 2 years ago on the board and he still is.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't care, you have every given right to be racist if you want and its not like he forces it on anyone, but once some says that blacks don't have a grasp of the english lauguage and it is a FACT that we feel whites are superiour to us, that certainly sounds like some one who is in the racist section...of the "I'm better because I am white" variety, not the "I hate you coloreds" variety.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Ah, if we're discussing race issues, can't forget to slam rap, now can we? Why is it that just because the genre doesn't fit in the close-minded criteria of what "real" music is, it's not music? Can just anyone create the beats you hear on any given rap track, or can just anyone create a fluent and creative set of rhymes? Yes, a lot of the rap that gets mainstream attention is trite, but that doesn't mean that the entire genre is like that, yet that's the mindset its detractors seem to have.

 

Heavy metal and all of its offspring and subgenres are a lot of loud guitar playing and screaming, is that more musical than rap? That's what most would have you believe, simply because those guys are actually playing instruments (not well, mind you, but that doesn't seem to be a factor).

 

You've got a right to your musical tastes and that's fine. But really, just because you don't like it or don't care to note any of its positives, doesn't mean you should write-off the entire genre, and imply that it's got a part in the corruption and desicration of black society. If we're going to go that route, then we'll just say that kids shoot other kids because Trent Reznor told them to and others worship the Devil because Rob Zombie made it seem cool.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Ah, if we're discussing race issues, can't forget to slam rap, now can we? Why is it that just because the genre doesn't fit in the close-minded criteria of what "real" music is, it's not music? Can just anyone create the beats you hear on any given rap track, or can just anyone create a fluent and creative set of rhymes? Yes, a lot of the rap that gets mainstream attention is trite, but that doesn't mean that the entire genre is like that, yet that's the mindset its detractors seem to have.

 

Heavy metal and all of its offspring and subgenres are a lot of loud guitar playing and screaming, is that more musical than rap? That's what most would have you believe, simply because those guys are actually playing instruments (not well, mind you, but that doesn't seem to be a factor).

 

You've got a right to your musical tastes and that's fine. But really, just because you don't like it or don't care to note any of its positives, doesn't mean you should write-off the entire genre, and imply that it's got a part in the corruption and desicration of black society. If we're going to go that route, then we'll just say that kids shoot other kids because Trent Reznor told them to and others worship the Devil because Rob Zombie made it seem cool.

I know what you're saying. The kind of fools that think you need live instruments to make music.

 

Also. if they're dressed in a way that is like "all those thugs on TV" than they're intimidating and that they MUST be up to no good. I mean seriously, it's just a style of clothing man. I don't wear it because I personally think I'd look stupid, but if it works for you, go for it.

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Heavy metal and all of its offspring and subgenres are a lot of loud guitar playing and screaming, is that more musical than rap?

 

In a word? Yes.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

The kind of fools that think you need live instruments to make music.

Wow. Just wow.

 

Rap is not music. There is no melody. Rhymes over a beat is not a song. Rap with melody is Hip-hop.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Heavy metal and all of its offspring and subgenres are a lot of loud guitar playing and screaming, is that more musical than rap?

 

In a word? Yes.

Care to explain in more than one word, or are you just talking out of your ass?

 

Rap is not music.

 

Why can I find rap albums in every music store I go to then? Why do they play rap videos on music channels and radio stations? Or am I just imagining all of those things? Just because rap doesn't fit your definition of what music is, doesn't mean it isn't. Some would say that heavy metal is nothing but a lot of noise, but surely people would object to that before I could even click "refresh." It's no secret that the majority of the posters here don't see rap as a form of music, so I expect comments like this. Ironic how so many individuals compalin that people don't understand the music they like, yet these same people write off rap as nothing. I guess you guys should call all those music stores and tell them that they're not supposed to be stocking rap albums since it's not music and all, so they can send them rightfully over to 7-11 so they can be put in their true home: between the Big Gulp machine and frozen food section.