TheBostonStrangler 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Well, from what I've skimmed, congrats to the following: - Duran - Danny - Craven - HVT - Janus - Matthews A big, big, BIG shoutout to Ejiro Fasaki for winning the big one. Feels good, don't it? Nice job. And I'd love it if people would read my match with Erek. It was a fitting way to cap off our feud (IMO), and I'd appreciate it if people at least read it. I spent most of my Tuesday blowing off studying for the finals I had the next two days in order to write 8,000 words for it, and this angle took a lot of work from me and Erek over a long time. I plan on reading this entire PPV over X-Mas break, and I urge everyone else to do so as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Strangler... i know you were kinda pissed at me earlier (the nerves were running high over this whole PPV) ... ...but damn man...I teared up reading that match... I felt like I was standing in that crowd and seeing the end of something special ... ...and honestly...in a way... I know I was witnessing history. *standing ovation* Congratulations, man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Kingsley 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 I'm going to delve into this BEAST~ this weekend, when finals are over, but good god, what a friggin PPV. Ejiro winning caught me completely off guard. And for my match, well, I'm just really disappointed that both Dace and I had crappy times writing, with it being finals week and being rushed (but then, that part's our fault). I just tried to pepper some fun and Christmas spirit into my match. Hope it worked, somewhat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chirs3 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 I can't seem to find the "jaw-dropped-to-the-ground" emoticon, so I'll make due: *jaw drops to the ground* More in depth comments to come once I finish the whole thing, but for now... Wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 18, 2003 .................. Woah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HVilleThugg 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 WOO HOO!!! That felt good! Da "more comments later" H PS - How about that?!? Ejiro Fasaki...comes up huge!! Mad props bro... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 18, 2003 WINNER: Fasaki is an amazing talent...I'll definitely give him that. BUT...he can't beat Flesher...sorry. Should be a highly competitive contest, but in the end, Flesher is just too good. And no...there are no words of encouragement like "if anyone can beat him, Fasaki can" or "if Fasaki writes his ass off, he could pull the upset"...no. No, no, no...you're gonna lose...it sucks, but it's true. Accept defeat now...it'll make things a lot easier come Tuesday night. Cough, cough... =-) Anyways, ON WITH COMMENTZ! Duran vs. Annie vs. Stryke vs. Johnny Dangerous A smartly booked affair as Duran makes sure to take the most sympathetic face and immediately put her in the most precarious position that he can by taking out Johnny first and then teasing the upset by having her pin Stryke and nearly comeback on Duran. I always get the Mick Foley vibe in Annie matches for whatever reasons and this is no exception... The use of the weapons is good here as well as the people that got gifts that wouldn't help them in an obvious way put them aside for a bit rather than immediately go to town with them. But the important thing was that they all eventually did use the weapons to varying degrees of success as should happen considering they're using car keys and watches. The main weakness in the match is pretty simple. There's way too much going on to get a proper feeling of impact during the four way sections of combat. This however is just about the hardest thing in the world to get right and people only seem to be really able to pull it off maybe 10-15% of the time in a way that works (regardless of who they are... I know that I'm pretty bad at it myself). Anyway, this is a really fine effort that takes into the consideration the stipulations without letting them dominate the encounter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
janusd 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Ejiro Fasaki, SWF World Heavyweight Champeen! You GO boy! In other news.....stuff happened, people retired, entertainment was had, and Thugg wrecked shit. Long comments are not my forte. Good going, peeps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HVilleThugg 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 DAMN YOU FASAKI!! DAMN YOU TO HELL! I was hoping that I could get away without you pointing out my glaring endorsement of Tom Flesher being the greatest thing since the scoop slam. If only I hadn't been so glaring and loud about my prediction, then perhaps I wouldn't feel like such a jackass for being wrong. But seriously...mad props though. I stand by my prediction though because I just didn't think anyone can beat Tom. I was wrong. Enjoy this...it'll never happen again. Anyway...I have a request. I wonder about my match...when I had the idea for it, I loved it. When I started writing, I loved it. THen I started getting distracted by other things in the real world like work, holiday shopping, people visiting, etc...and it lost some of its flare. But I still felt real good about my plan for the match. I don't think I executed it as well as I wanted to, mainly because I was constantly writing while other people were around and I was entertaining guests. Anyway, now that I glance over it, was it too much? Did I have too many crazy spots, or did it work? Personally, I think I went a little too far with it, and I think it's kind of hard to suspend disbelief with this match because of the damage inflicted on Mak Francis. But maybe I didn't...was the Thugg Passion on the concrete too much? Was the 3 finishers in a row too much? I'm just curious about what people thought about the spots and the general flow of the match. And I want truth here... Glancing over the show a bit, I have to give a tie for MOTN. Strangler vs Taylor Fasaki vs Flesher Both matches were stunning and very well written. They are entertaining, and it's too hard to decide which is better. I'll say that if Tom had won, I'd give the noce to TBS since it's his retirement match, but Fasaki won the big strap off the unbeatable champ...it's just too hard, so you both get it. I encourage people to at least skim both matches (and mine, cough cough)...it's worth the read. Da "has only skimmed...perhaps some details later" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Nice, my favorite character in god knows how long wins the world title, just as i said he would. Also, in a shocking turn of events no one would ever have suspected, i no-showed. The combination of hellacious hours of work, a pair of viruses going to work on my PC, and two days of puking my guts up does not lend itself to being conductive to the writing process. At least it wasn't a no-show just due to my being one of the laziest people on earth, like most of my no-shows are. Anyway, with plenty of time i'll try and give some sort of comments on everything, no matter how crap at giving my thoughts i am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 My quick thought on your match Thugg? You made Mak look like the toughest man in the Fed with the ending. I lost track of how many Finishers you nailed him with. This match was a good example of putting your opponent over and still winning the match. I liked it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Evolution Report post Posted December 18, 2003 The main weakness in the match is pretty simple. There's way too much going on to get a proper feeling of impact during the four way sections of combat. This however is just about the hardest thing in the world to get right and people only seem to be really able to pull it off maybe 10-15% of the time in a way that works. I totally agree with you, Ejiro. The four-way part was easily the hardest to write, because I didn't want to just take out two of the wrestlers and have the other two go at it, it would just have been too unrealistic and it wouldn't have been any good. I hope that after Dangerous got the yank, that the "proper feeling of impact," as you put it, somewhat improved. That was my intent, I knew the four-way part was weak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HVilleThugg 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Four...the final count was four. I hit the Untamed early...then 3 in a row...Last Stand, Untamed, then Thugg Passion. The down side was that Mak only hit one and a half...he got the Cattle Mutilation on and he hit the Frog Splash, one half of the Brotherly Love combo. But yeah...that's what I was going for Mark...making Mak look like the toughest SOB known to man...which allowed me to do my heel move at the end with the feint respect thing. I'm glad that it came off that way. Da "pure evil" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Danny vs DA JUDGE I'm thinking that Danny waisted his status as a ??? here a little bit as instead of setting it all up as a 'Holy CRAP on a cracker' it ended up being more of a 'Oh, Danny's back' which is all good if you want plung back into the match which is what seemingly Danny wanted to do but if it had been me, I would have played up the surprising aspect of the match by at least having Justice show that he was a bit flummoxed by the whole ordeal rather than just jumping right to a normal match. I do like however that I get the feeling that Danny isn't used to the feeling of getting his ass kicked as much as he used to be. Coming back from an absense this always struck me as the major problem that a returning guy would have since you can't really practice getting thumbed in the eye. Which is exactly what Judge keeps doing since he's not stronger, faster or a better mat worker than Danny ... which explains his heeldom. "Brittle from the ravages of age, Hearford screams in pain as he blindly stumbles to his feet." Can I just say that Danny is improving his descriptions now and that was just about his onbly weakness before? Oy we're all very, very dead. THe DOUGHY-SHE-MALE sleeper pops up and you KNEW it would I like how Danny used the chinlocks to actually build up to something in this match and this shall be the pay off oh my! ... And then Danny kicks out of three of Judge's finishes... D'oh. Oh well I think that might be a bit of overkill but what are you going to do when you guys write like every move you have as finishers I think Danny has like 14 of them. Danny wins with the powerbomb he'd seen blocked twice before in the match to bring it all full circle and pick up a nice win in a match all chock full of nifty psychological build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 18, 2003 I hope that after Dangerous got the yank, that the "proper feeling of impact," as you put it, somewhat improved. That was my intent, I knew the four-way part was weak. Yup picked up well then with the brass knuckles and the stuff with Duran and Annie. 'Proper feeling of impact' basically just means having time to write selling and transitions. Four ways are notorious for the 'Dan hits a clothesline on Bill but then Jim superkicks Dan" sort of thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Evolution Report post Posted December 18, 2003 One more question, Ejiro, in my Genesis match against English Dragon which you commented, you mentioned that I used a Burning Hammer to finish off ED, when in fact, I was using my torture rack variation neckbreaker called the Blunt Force Trauma. Was that clear this time, or was my description still making it sound like the Burning Hammer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 18, 2003 No, it was clearer this time although I will admit that I sometimes read over stuff a little quickly so last time might have been my fault rather than yours. I just see toture rack and BAM and think 'Burning Hammer' almost too quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Danny vs DA JUDGE I'm thinking that Danny waisted his status as a ??? here a little bit as instead of setting it all up as a 'Holy CRAP on a cracker' it ended up being more of a 'Oh, Danny's back' which is all good if you want plung back into the Can I just say that Danny is improving his descriptions now and that was just about his onbly weakness before? Oy we're all very, very dead. THe DOUGHY-SHE-MALE sleeper pops up and you KNEW it would I like how Danny used the chinlocks to actually build up to something in this match and this shall be the pay off oh my! ... And then Danny kicks out of three of Judge's finishes... D'oh. On deadline day, I had finished everything, but the introductions with a few hours to spare. Feeling sick, I decided to take a nap, wake up an hour before due time, and finish the match. However, when I woke up, I had a 102 degree fever, and ended up spending the rest of the night in burning agony, trying to break my fever. Luckily, the show got delayed, so I was able to throw together a quick introduction in 5 minutes, and send it in just before the show got posted. Which is why it's short and rushed. I actually think it was two finishers, the Stretch Plum and Surprise Witness. I kept the Plum's credibilty the best I could, by having Danny use the ropes instead of kicking it out. Making it look more like a mistake from the Judge, rather than a Hulk up. Plus, I put it over with a roll out, and some stalling. The Surprise Witness/Ace Crusher always struck me as one of the Judge's weaker finishers, so I didn't see the harm in kicking out of one of them. I was more concered with keeping the credibilty of his Suplexes and Straight Jacket Powerbomb, which is why didn't use them at all. Thanks for the comments, it's always appreciated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ErekT2k3 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I'd just like to say that working with Strangler and creating this two year angle was a joint effort and that in real life, Strangler is one of the classiest guys you'll ever come across. Funny thing, in my match, I wrote Strangler to win, and he wrote me to win. It's all a good ending and it's been a fun run in the SWF. The PPV looks great, and I will use Xmas break to read it over. Congradulations to all the winners and to all of the people that have helped me become the writer I am today, I thank you. I wish you all the best of luck in your lives and have a very Merry Christmas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Flesher vs. Ejiro 2/3 Falls. Fall 1. The first fall opens with Ejiro determined to out wrestle Flesher, but he can’t, so he turns it into a brawl. Flesher wins the brawl, but ends up crouching himself with a missed Yakuza Kick. Ejiro’s selling is solid during the transition as he takes a little time to put over Flesher’s Suplexes, before going back on offense. Ejiro controls with some pedestrian offense, before Flesher catches him in a Nagata Lock for a quick submission. Overall, I wasn’t feeling this fall too much. It just never seemed to warm up at all, neither’s guys offense was ever threatening, and than it just kind of ended. Fall 2. For the injury to be a trick, Ejiro sure dragged it out long enough, I guess he was waiting for the right moment or something. The playing possum gain an advantage is a good idea, but Ejiro never really takes advantage of it like he should. Once again, Ejiro just runs through some non threatening pedestrian stuff, before Tom makes a comeback, which kind of defeats the purpose of the extended “fake injury” sequence since the fall ends with a fluke roll up on the ropes. Slightly better than the first fall, but it would have been nice to see something as smart as the fake injury leading to something more important. Fall 3. Eager to make the last fall up, Flesher busts out a few of his more threatening moves for nearfalls, before Ejiro hits his Bridging Backdrop Pin. Once again, Ejiro taking the time to put over Flesher’s offense is a nice touch. Nice to see at least one spot play off the previous falls, with Ejiro finally countering the Belly to Belly. The ending with the Super Orange Crusher was good and smart, since it kept Tom looking strong, while also going all the way back to Tom’s U.S. Title loss to TNT where he lost to same move, making it look his Achilles’ heel or something. I would have liked to see the first two falls be more meaningful, rather than just run of the mil stuff with a fluke ending tacked on. The third fall was good, but it would have been nice to see more continuation from the previous falls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crowe 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Craven, I applaud you on your victory. As much as I wanted to give you competition, something came up and I couldn't get my match done. I must thank you for putting Crow over as hardcore and scary, as well. (Y) Oh. And \m/ @ Asai moonsault with the candy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Going on Danny's comments... Basically what I was trying to do was get away from the two-out-of-three fall formula where it feels like three matches tacked back to back. You know, where Tom knocks out Ejiro to get a pin and then Ejiro knocks out Tom and so on and so forth. Personally, I've always felt like that logically should lead to to the falls shortening as the match went on while I would have perfered the deciding fall to be the most significant. As such the offense for the first two falls is intentally weaker than a normal match so the ending fall (which everyone had to know was coming) wouldn't feel like more of the same. The faked injury thing - I basically came up with this as I was writing in order to pay off Ejiro tapping so quickly after the dragon screw and leglock. The reason I let it drag on so long was to hopefully actually get some of you guys believing that an actual injury had occured and make the turn more effective than just having Ejiro roll Tom up in a small package immediately or something. Plus, I made sure to note that Tom (being who he is) wasn't really all that fooled by the ruse, but the referee was and that meant basically the same thing to Ejiro recovering from the leglock. Finally, the significance of the first two falls was simply to highlight each characters strengths. Tom could win a strait wrestling match 85 % of the time and Ejiro could win in a fight 80 % of the time... well what happens when they match up in a battle that doesn't really hurt or help either guy? Ejiro gets the flukish high impact move and pulls it but Tom isn't hurt since there's obviously ways he can beat Ejiro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Going on Danny's comments... Basically what I was trying to do was get away from the two-out-of-three fall formula where it feels like three matches tacked back to back. You know, where Tom knocks out Ejiro to get a pin and then Ejiro knocks out Tom and so on and so forth. Personally, I've always felt like that logically should lead to to the falls shortening as the match went on while I would have perfered the deciding fall to be the most significant. As such the offense for the first two falls is intentally weaker than a normal match so the ending fall (which everyone had to know was coming) wouldn't feel like more of the same. The 2/3 Falls Formula has always been built up like one match divided into three acts. The offense is usually built up with weaker stuff, before it's bombs away in the third fall. Still, there are ways to let the individual falls climax and heat up other than a flash pinfall/submission out of nowhere. Also, this usually involves building off the previous falls, continuing the same story. The falls do usually shortening as they progress, like in one Robinson/Jumbo match the thrid fall is just like 5 minutes of Suplexes. Unless their are special circumstances like a flash pin in the first fall, or a quick ass kicking in the second...etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 19, 2003 ** The falls do usually shortening as they progress, like in one Robinson/Jumbo match the thrid fall is just like 5 minutes of Suplexes. ** Right and thats why I dumbed down the first two falls. But I'm coming around to your style of thinking where I could have built up a few more mini-climaxes there. I tried to pull that out with the 'Tom actually punches someone' bit and the fake injury stuff but I think I let them get a bit lost in the translation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Right and thats why I dumbed down the first two falls. But I'm coming around to your style of thinking where I could have built up a few more mini-climaxes there. I tried to pull that out with the 'Tom actually punches someone' bit and the fake injury stuff but I think I let them get a bit lost in the translation. Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying. You did the right thing by saving alot for the third fall, but there's still room to build many climaxes to the individual falls(I think that came out right). The punch was a good spot that I forgot to mention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingDeacon 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Wait a damn minute......Ejiro is the champion. Ok, I'm coming back on the first show after the break and taking the belt off of him. This is just retarded. Was Kojack too busy waxing his car to take the belt off of Tom? This is like Vince putting the World Title on the Repo Man. I'm ashamed to have been once associated with you guys after letting such a travesty happen. At least it wasn't Ash. Hey, I'm just ganking your chain. Good job. It's great to see a guy who came in the class after me and who I hope helped a bit along the way climb to the top of the mountain. Congrats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5_moves_of_doom 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 The ending with the Super Orange Crusher was good and smart, since it kept Tom looking strong, while also going all the way back to Tom’s U.S. Title loss to TNT where he lost to same move, making it look his Achilles’ heel or something. Jesus... this means two things: 1.) Someone has a REALLY good memory. 2.) Someone actually READ my matches. Uhm, (Y) to both, and stuff. Anyhow, I'm out and about tonight, but tomorrow I'll start off my vacation by at least skimming most of this stuff and reading 3-4 matches in detail. I'd say "Oh I'll read through the whole thing no prob," but that never ends up happening, so eh, I'll at least gather enough information for some constructive comments. Oh, and congrats to Ejiro~! and stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 the thing is...a Super OC would normally be able to take out just about anyone...as that is one sick move... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HVilleThugg 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 ::cries:: Nobody likes my spotfest... Da "it's all about self-promotion" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 ... Eh, as spotfests go, I'd give it a .8 on the Dub Cee scale... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
