American Idol 3

[ant_7000 0]

Pigeonhole Stevens all you want and claim that he can only sing one style, but the same goes for the "three divas". If they would put in a genre that didn't cater to Fantasia's skills, then you wouldn't be fellating her every time she walks onstage. It's the same thing with Stevens...every week it's Disco week, or Soul week, or something catering to the African American singers. If they had Big Band week, you'd be the first to say that Fantasia didn't have a chance because it wasn't "her style", and you'd proceed to make excuses for why she didn't do well. Why is that when it's not John Stevens' style of choice, you claim that he has no right to be there, but when it's not Fantasia's style, it's not fair?

 

So far, Stevens has done something that Fantasia hasn't been able to do: showcase excellent control over his voice. I don't really care that Fantasia can warble and flop around on the stage and shriek at the top of her lungs about summertime, she shows me nothing. Stevens, for his age, is the best SINGER on the show.

Whoa Whoa back it up a bit. So your saying that genres a catering the "Divas" because they're black? Thats full of shit because there's been country night which all 3 of them sang country and did well. They also did Elton John and Barry Manilow songs and sang them good and their performances were better than John Stevens. Robfather, how are the "Divas" arrogant? None of 3 hype up the Diva thing up to began with. Fantasia is ugly, but the girl is talented and even take risks on chosing difficult songs to sing that your boy John doesn't have the balls to do. I think John is getting pity votes, I don't think 16 year old girls find him attractive. So its gotta be the nerds like some on this board that vote for him.

[OldSchoolWrestling 0]

I'd love to buy a cd of John singing Frank and Dean songs, but singing these other types of songs he doesn't sound too good. George Huff also falls into that category where he'd make a great gospel singer but anything else he seems lost.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Fantasia can do it all. Hudson and the two other chicks can't. London, however, is pretty versitile as well. Them in the bottom 3 was all wrong, however Hudson was more a question of "when", not if.

 

Fantasia has a problem, though. Cause Simon already said she has a record contract anytime she wants it, so "America" doesn't feel like they are doing her a good service by keeping her around - despite her being the best singer.

 

And even though I am off the John Stevens bandwagon, their hate for him is tooooo much. They are basically saying "Hey, vote John off" or "Why didn't you vote John off?" every show.

[Guest slacklet]

Fantasia needs to go.

 

The minute they showed her bring up the baby I wanted to throw something at the TV.

 

American Idol - single parent as a result of slutting around in high school and getting knocked up because she was too stupid to know any better.

 

That would be an interesting reflection on today's society, but I don't want it to happen.

 

And isn't that unfair to the other contestents for her to play a sympathy card?

 

I want George to wheel a retarded kid up onstage next week and do his "I'm taking a shit to the beat of the music" dance around him.

[justsoyouknow 0]

Whoa Whoa back it up a bit. So your saying that genres a catering the "Divas" because they're black? Thats full of shit because there's been country night which all 3 of them sang country and did well. They also did Elton John and Barry Manilow songs and sang them good and their performances were better than John Stevens. Robfather, how are the "Divas" arrogant? None of 3 hype up the Diva thing up to began with. Fantasia is ugly, but the girl is talented and even take risks on chosing difficult songs to sing that your boy John doesn't have the balls to do. I think John is getting pity votes, I don't think 16 year old girls find him attractive. So its gotta be the nerds like some on this board that vote for him.

See, when you have to result to personal attacks (namely calling people "nerds" for voting for Stevens) then your entire point is thrown right out the window.

 

American pop music as a whole is catering to African Americans. This show is no exception. And the divas are arrogant, because any single time that Fantasia gets any type of negative feedback, the judges are wrong and she doesn't care what they say. Talent doesn't equal sitting on the stage, pounding your fists repeatedly, warbling about fish jumping. I'm very sorry.

 

And what "different" songs is she trying? I must have missed those, because as far as I can tell, she's picking the stereotypical "I'm black and I can sing very loudly" songs.

[starvenger 0]

Here's the thing - this is a POP competition (hence the Brit name, Pop Idol), and as such, John Stevens probably shouldn't be there. The Rat Pack style simply does not mesh with what American Idol is trying to create.

 

But frankly, this isn't about him. It's about what the show is trying to do. Remember, the judges and producers put him into the final 32, and he got praise - from Simon, of all people - because he WAS different. And it was all well and good that this kid made the Final 12, because he's nice and different, but he won't last long. But now, they're realizing that he might WIN this whole damn thing, and they really have no idea what to do with him. So now that the system isn't working for them they're basically slapping the wrists of the fans who support the show.

 

Personally, I don't think that Stevens should win - again because he is a throwback singer who is clearly out of his element in a pop singing competition. But obviously, there are people that, for whatever reason, like this guy enough to vote for him every week. So, if he wins, congrats, I'm happy for the guy. But if someone else does, I hope that it's because the public WANTED them to win, and not because of some crap that the producers do to influence the vote.

[starvenger 0]

I want George to wheel a retarded kid up onstage next week and do his "I'm taking a shit to the beat of the music" dance around him.

Well. that would be the second time this season that AI did a wrestling-type angle. Might as well wheel up Eugene Dinsmore...

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Fantasia needs to go.

 

The minute they showed her bring up the baby I wanted to throw something at the TV.

 

American Idol - single parent as a result of slutting around in high school and getting knocked up because she was too stupid to know any better.

 

That would be an interesting reflection on today's society, but I don't want it to happen.

 

And isn't that unfair to the other contestents for her to play a sympathy card?

 

I want George to wheel a retarded kid up onstage next week and do his "I'm taking a shit to the beat of the music" dance around him.

If you think that's bad, you should have seen Nikki McKibbin in the first season who did it EVERY week, and used it to get into the final 3 despite no talent whatsoever.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Just below the surface racism in an American Idol thread of all places. But this is TSM, so carry on.

[MooreMark 0]

I said the show is stupid because they do have the right to change the voting.

 

If they really gave a shit about this show they would have sent John packing lastnight. Even on EXTRA Jen said that John came to her backstage and said it should have been him.

 

John isn't even pop. He can't dance. He has no charisma. He is not American Idol material.

 

I know Jennifer was eventually going to go. But 7th? She pulled a fucking Kimberly Caldwell. 7th isn't good enough. I wanted her 5th/4th. Fuck, atleast last year they booted people properly except Trenyce..

 

But at this rate I could see John cracking the top 3 just to Nikki this whole competition a whole next time.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I could see John getting second. By that point there will be so many people that hate him, that it doesn't matter who he's facing, they will get the Anti-John vote.

[Astro101 0]

They should have it so that America votes OFF who they don't want.

[starvenger 0]

I know Jennifer was eventually going to go. But 7th? She pulled a fucking Kimberly Caldwell. 7th isn't good enough. I wanted her 5th/4th. Fuck, atleast last year they booted people properly except Trenyce..

Not true. They never booted Clay, and they should have. Trenyce was final 3 material, but the ungodly push for Clay and Ruben to be the final 2 tore up everything in their path.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

They should have it so that America votes OFF who they don't want.

I've said that since the Nikki disaster in the first American Idol. I would settle for the judges voting through everybody until the end.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Let's see what the Hurricane thinks :

 

I can finally watch American Idol again now that Jon Peter Lewis is gone. This is the first season that I've watched Idol and I was really into the show, but listening to Jon Peter and John Stevens blister song after song, week after week was killing me. These guys had me wishing for the old days of Tank Abbott aka Tank Sinatra in WCW. Stevens was unique at first but got boring quick, and "JPL" with that B-R-utal dancing is the white guy that all comedians make fun of. I mean seriously, those two gave nerds a bad name! But now at least I can watch again.

[Damaramu 0]

F you Helms! I loved JPL!

 

Dammit I'll blow America off if George doesn't make the Top 3! Damn you all!

[justsoyouknow 0]

John should be gone. I'm not denying that. Hudson should still be there. But I like Stevens, if not just for his Sinatra/Martin vibe. If he were to release a CD, I'd buy it. Fuck, who gives a shit if he has no charisma? The idea is to push records, and last I checked, you don't need to have charisma to do that.

[Cran Da Maniac 0]

And what "different" songs is she trying? I must have missed those, because as far as I can tell, she's picking the stereotypical "I'm black and I can sing very loudly" songs.

Did you not listen to the "movie night" songs? Fantasia tried a good slow song and did the best performance of the night. On Country night she did the Willie Nelson "You are always on my mind" and did a good job (not her best, but still good) with that, so she can do more then be a "black person who sings loudly".

[The Fett 0]

They should have it so that America votes OFF who they don't want.

What would happen is all the best singers would all be voted out early as fans try to get rid of the competition of their favorite singer. The Latoya fans would gang up on George and Fantasia, the George fans gang up on Fantasia and Latoya, etc. etc.

 

Once all the powerhouse get rid of each other, the leftovers will end up winning.

[starvenger 0]

And what "different" songs is she trying? I must have missed those, because as far as I can tell, she's picking the stereotypical "I'm black and I can sing very loudly" songs.

Did you not listen to the "movie night" songs? Fantasia tried a good slow song and did the best performance of the night. On Country night she did the Willie Nelson "You are always on my mind" and did a good job (not her best, but still good) with that, so she can do more then be a "black person who sings loudly".

Fantashia can mix it up, definitely, so I don't see anything stereotypical there. Frankly, the only stereotypical thing I see in her is the "strong black woman" archetype, which didn't really serve her well when talking to Simon and has been toned down as of late.

 

If anything, Barbie Girl has been the one filling the "I'm black and I can sing very loudly" stereotype. Except that she's not black. But she sure can sing loud - and do it all with that plastic smile of hers.

[2GOLD 0]

Wait wait WAIT

 

They left the dumb ass blonde on the show? She can't sing, she isn't aware of what singing is and she is still alive?

 

And the Opie Taylor freak is still on too?

 

Now I see why I'm seeing stories of racism all over the net about this show this year. How did the three talentless people go from the bottom three to the top three when not one of them can sing anything but one type of song? And blondie can't even sing the one she is trying to sing.

[Ripper 0]

Congratulations, Starvenger, you just stated exactly what is wrong with this show.

 

As far as everyone getting super-pissed because one of the three "divas" is gone, fuck you. Especially Ripper. Week in and week out it's nothing but hatred from Ripper to John Stevens, who is 16 years old, and, coincidentally, the whitest person on the show. Every week Ripper says that he can't sing, that it's a travesty for him to be there, and that he needs to be gone. Every week Fantasia sucks, but he damn near puts a load right in the middle of his keyboard, and does the same for Latoya London and Jeniffer Hudson. Hey, Ripper, I'm going to spell this out for you: dime-a-dozen R&B singers.

 

John Stevens hearkens back to singers that actually had talent: Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis, Junior, and their ilk. What does Fantasia bring to the table? Oh, she can sing really loud and warble a lot. Fantastic. What did Jeniffer Hudson bring to the table? Besides looking a whole lot Macy Gray and wearing unbelievably ugly outfits the first few weeks, there was nothing to her. Latoya London, I can't even name a fucking song she's sang so far. The "three divas" have, thus far, been interchangeable. Equal talent, equal marketability.

 

Pigeonhole Stevens all you want and claim that he can only sing one style, but the same goes for the "three divas". If they would put in a genre that didn't cater to Fantasia's skills, then you wouldn't be fellating her every time she walks onstage. It's the same thing with Stevens...every week it's Disco week, or Soul week, or something catering to the African American singers. If they had Big Band week, you'd be the first to say that Fantasia didn't have a chance because it wasn't "her style", and you'd proceed to make excuses for why she didn't do well. Why is that when it's not John Stevens' style of choice, you claim that he has no right to be there, but when it's not Fantasia's style, it's not fair?

 

So far, Stevens has done something that Fantasia hasn't been able to do: showcase excellent control over his voice. I don't really care that Fantasia can warble and flop around on the stage and shriek at the top of her lungs about summertime, she shows me nothing. Stevens, for his age, is the best SINGER on the show.

Hate me all you want, you obviously are a deaf if you can possibly say that kid has the best voice on the show.

 

He OBVIOUSLY has the weakest ass voice on the show. He OBVIOUSLY has given shitty performances in basically every genre they have done, while everyone else has given good to great performances in more than one genre.

 

Coincidentally the whitest? He is conicidentally the worst singer. Thats why he should go. Excuse me if the I say the BEST singers in a SINGING competion should be the last. Yet coincidentally you put London, Hudson and Fantasia in the same group despite them having 3 different styles of singing. they are coincidentally blackest people in the competition.

 

What I hate are little fucks like you that have probably(or obviously) never listened to a bit of Dean or Sinatra or Sammy Davis Jr. but say he is like them. This dude is SHIT like them. He can hold a note, stumbles then gets to the next note he can hold. Dean, Sinatra, they could Hold a audience with their spectacular voices that had STRENTGH and DEPTH, something this little fucker doesn't have. You can barely hear his voice over the music backing. Christina Agularia and Britney spears both sing the same style of music, but I don't think anyone would say they have the same voice. Singing slow doesn't make you a crooner, and John Stevens isn't one. Fuck his age. I don't care if he is 12 or 30, he is the one of the worst left on the stage, and has given the worst overall performances of anyone left on the show (at least Jasmine and Diana have a good performance or two).

 

You obviously don't know shit about SINGING, so save all that "Fuck Ripper" stuff. Let him give a good performance and I will say so. Until then I will call him shit when he performs like shit which happens to be most of the time. In no way shape or form has be been better than Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Latoya London, George or the others.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

You obviously don't know shit about SINGING, so save all that "Fuck Ripper" stuff. Let him give a good performance and I will say so. Until then I will call him shit when he performs like shit which happens to be most of the time. In no way shape or form has be been better than Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Latoya London, George or the others.

 

I don't even think he should be in the top 12.

[2GOLD 0]

You obviously don't know shit about SINGING, so save all that "Fuck Ripper" stuff. Let him give a good performance and I will say so. Until then I will call him shit when he performs like shit which happens to be most of the time. In no way shape or form has be been better than Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Latoya London, George or the others.

 

I don't even think he should be in the top 12.

 

I don't understand how he got this far.

[Damaramu 0]

You obviously don't know shit about SINGING, so save all that "Fuck Ripper" stuff. Let him give a good performance and I will say so. Until then I will call him shit when he performs like shit which happens to be most of the time. In no way shape or form has be been better than Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Latoya London, George or the others.

 

I don't even think he should be in the top 12.

 

I don't understand how he got this far.

My mom said the way he looks into the camera and smiles and all that makes the teeny boppers go crazy for him.

[Ripper 0]

You obviously don't know shit about SINGING, so save all that "Fuck Ripper" stuff. Let him give a good performance and I will say so. Until then I will call him shit when he performs like shit which happens to be most of the time. In no way shape or form has be been better than Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Latoya London, George or the others.

 

I don't even think he should be in the top 12.

 

I don't understand how he got this far.

My mom said the way he looks into the camera and smiles and all that makes the teeny boppers go crazy for him.

really. It is kinda disturbing to me...in a serial killer kind of way.

 

I can just see him chopping someone up and burying them in the backyard while singing "the way you look tonight" and reaching out at a imaginary camera.

[2GOLD 0]

You obviously don't know shit about SINGING, so save all that "Fuck Ripper" stuff. Let him give a good performance and I will say so. Until then I will call him shit when he performs like shit which happens to be most of the time. In no way shape or form has be been better than Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Latoya London, George or the others.

 

I don't even think he should be in the top 12.

 

I don't understand how he got this far.

My mom said the way he looks into the camera and smiles and all that makes the teeny boppers go crazy for him.

really. It is kinda disturbing to me...in a serial killer kind of way.

 

I can just see him chopping someone up and burying them in the backyard while singing "the way you look tonight" and reaching out at a imaginary camera.

 

Ripper, you should know rule #1 of young female crushes

 

#1: If they can sing, it doesn't matter what they look like anymore cause they are now officially a dream.

 

 

The little no talent can sorta open his mouth and send out words. Therefore, he is officially sorta a singer which means he is attractive suddenly. And women wonder why men can't understand them. They keep making shit like this guy famous even though he looks like his ass has 30 people buried in his backyard and a human head in the fridge.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Jesus Christ. When the FUCK did this turn into bitching about RACISM? It's American fucking Idol, for Christ's sake, and JSYK went way too far. Calling LaToya and Hudson "dime a dozen R&B singers" doesn't mean they aren't better than John is. Shit, generally speaking everyone is better than John is, even if George has been far worse for the past two weeks, Fantasia has never really interested me, and Diana is incredibly uninteresting (and really, she is. I cannot think of a single remarkable thing about her. Even JOHN is more unique than she is.).

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I was watching the results show, and when George was going to be put in with the "winning group", I was like "Man, there sure is a lot of dark meat over in Group A, I wonder if America really is going to have an all-black Final 4?". The smile that came across my face when Group B was the group with the most votes. Not because I am white, but because my faith in "Americas" inherant racism is still intact and stronger than ever.... and I know Ruben won last year over whitest cracker Clay... a shameful day it was. I still can't quite accept it...

[justsoyouknow 0]

What I hate are little fucks like you that have probably(or obviously) never listened to a bit of Dean or Sinatra or Sammy Davis Jr. but say he is like them. This dude is SHIT like them. He can hold a note, stumbles then gets to the next note he can hold. Dean, Sinatra, they could Hold a audience with their spectacular voices that had STRENTGH and DEPTH, something this little fucker doesn't have.

The fact that you claim that I don't listen to Sinatra is quite amazing. If you read back towards the beginning of the thread, you can read about my love for the Rat Pack. I'm not going to repeat myself for your benefit, but I'll just leave it at this: odds are, I listen to more Sinatra than you.

 

And everyone is right. Reading back over what I'd written, I crossed a line. I apologize for going overboard, and I'd like to especially apologize to Ripper. You're good people, and I feel bad now.