alfdogg 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 the only conspiracies I believe in are the refs being cheaters (being a Knicks fan) I won't say a word. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I never bought into any of the conspiracy theories until game 6 of Lakers/Kings when the refs were actively trying to get it to a game 7. Oh, and Game 3 of the Wolves/Lakers last year, when the announcers in the game got into a debate about how calls like the ones that were happening on the court were what added fuel to the conspiracy theories. I remember Danny Ainge going "that was teh WORST call I have EVER seen." And John Thompson going 3 minutes later "No, thats the worst call you have ever seen". All in all, obviously favoring a team would lead to backlash from the fans and they can't afford that. But of course when you have refs blatantly saying "We aren't going to foul out a big name guy at the end of a game" then its all a crapshoot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 On SC last night, they said that Eddie Rush (one of the refs) was overheard asking someone how many fouls Shaq had. Make of this what you will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 the only conspiracies I believe in are the refs being cheaters (being a Knicks fan) I won't say a word. oh don't EVEN go there Pacers lover! goddamn Reggie Miller shovin people over and shit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 the only conspiracies I believe in are the refs being cheaters (being a Knicks fan) I won't say a word. oh don't EVEN go there Pacers lover! goddamn Reggie Miller shovin people over and shit! In all fairness, Reggie TOUCHED Greg Anthoney in the back and he fell, okay. But Anthoney Mason, SAW Greg on the ground, looked DIRECTLY AT Reggie Miller and Passed him the fucking ball. THEN John Starks FOULs reggie goddamned miller, off the ball, so he seals it with free throws. I would be checking Masons pockets instead of blaming Reggie on that one. He was the mole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted June 3, 2004 This man should NEVER touch the ball in the fourth quarter. He is the new Chris Webber. I commend him for playing hurt, and I love him in quarters 1-3, but damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 This man should NEVER touch the ball in the fourth quarter. He is the new Chris Webber. I commend him for playing hurt, and I love him in quarters 1-3, but damn. When has Chris Webber sucked in the 4th quarter? Don't you mean Karl Malone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Basically his whole career. But it doesn't stand out because while Jermaine / Malone / Garnett (formerly) would get the ball and fuck up in the clutch, Webber doesn't even want the ball. Maybe he got over it this year -- I didn't watch too much of the Minny series -- but I know every time I've seen him he comes up short in crunch time, going all the way back to Michigan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Basically his whole career. But it doesn't stand out because while Jermaine / Malone / Garnett (formerly) would get the ball and fuck up in the clutch, Webber doesn't even want the ball. Maybe he got over it this year -- I didn't watch too much of the Minny series -- but I know every time I've seen him he comes up short in crunch time, going all the way back to Michigan. HEY!!! Garnett would just be exhausted in the 4th. Leave him alone!! I will let you have the rest though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 i've noticed that too...Webber is obviously what's holding back Sacremento...time for a trade... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spicy McHaggis 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 When has Chris Webber sucked in the 4th quarter? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick, do you WATCH basketball??!? Oh and in regards to Sac/LA... WHAT ABOUT GAME 5?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I agree, Webber has been a bust when they needed him for the past two years now...on that same note, whoever said Rasheed Wallace needs to be the man this finals series better wake up because other than inspring a game 2 victory, that dude hasn't really done shit either...i mean you're talking about a 20/10 guy ever since he came to the league pretty much...if anyone kicks ass on Detroit it's Rip, Prince and Billups, with Ben taking care of the D...these guys shouldn't HAVE to play their asses off if Rasheed would step up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 When has Chris Webber sucked in the 4th quarter? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick, do you WATCH basketball??!? Oh and in regards to Sac/LA... WHAT ABOUT GAME 5?! what about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 ^^^^ What he said. In the games where the Wolves won, it was because they were clearly the better team. What their biggest problem is, like in Game 5, for some reason they just happen to collapse once things stop going there way. It's not that they give up to wait for the next game, but they don't really have confidence in themselves when they start digging a whole for themselves. At the end of Game 5, Fisher was the only one really trying to get anything going, the rest of the team just stould around dejected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 WHAT ABOUT GAME 5?! Was that the game where Fisher flopped and left Bibby wide open for the game-winner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 This man should NEVER touch the ball in the fourth quarter. He is the new Chris Webber. I commend him for playing hurt, and I love him in quarters 1-3, but damn. This man should just never touch the ball, period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 Here are some trade rumors that I found: NY trades Kurt Thomas to Portland for Shareef Abdur-Rahim Bulls trade the #3 pick in the draft to the Pacers for Al Harrington, if the Pacers will also take one of their "bad contracts" Some other stuff: "As many as a dozen teams" have talked to the Magic about a trade for the #1 pick. The Suns apparently have no interest in trading the necessary players to get McGrady. Marcus Fizer will be left unprotected for the expansion draft. Troy Hudson wants to stay in Minnesota, but his agent wants to renegotiate. Source: insidehoops.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted June 4, 2004 Are they doing the expansion draft before or after the college/high school/Europe draft? (I remember when I used to only call it the college draft.) Imagine this lineup in the 4th quarter: PF -- Karl Malone SF -- Chris Webber C -- Pat Ewing SG -- Doug Christie PG -- Jamaal Tinsley Would anyone touch the ball? Would they just get constant 5-second inbounds violatons because no one wants to get open? Would anyone shoot? How many turnovers would they average? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 Basically his whole career. But it doesn't stand out because while Jermaine / Malone / Garnett (formerly) would get the ball and fuck up in the clutch, Webber doesn't even want the ball. Maybe he got over it this year -- I didn't watch too much of the Minny series -- but I know every time I've seen him he comes up short in crunch time, going all the way back to Michigan. He got over it last year; he just got injured in the playoffs before any non-Kings fan had a chance to take notice. Anybody who followed the Kings throughout the 2002-03 season knows that Webber, not Bibby, and not Stojakovic, was the most clutch player on the team, was huge in the fourth quarter all season long, and hit no fewer than five game-winning shots that season... It just so happens that the only one to be shown on national television was that one where he hit the three against Boston late in the season. Actually, you could make the argument that he got over it in Game 7 of the 2002 WCF, when he took on the responsibility of trying to guard Shaq after Divac fouled out... he failed, but not for lack of effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 Actually considering he was playing on one foot, I'd say Webber had a pretty good game 7 this year, except for the missed layup, but again, that can be attributed to the fact that he can't get ANY elevation with his injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 Hell yeah; he and Christie were the only ones who bothered to show up for Game 7... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crazy Dan Report post Posted June 4, 2004 This year Webber was not fully healed in his knee. And the fact he lost another 7 games on top of the ones missed due to injury. And so they threw him in the last games of the season and Webber was very rusty. I think they kept in games longer than they would have so that he could get into shape. And that hurt the Kings down the stretch, because they were on a roll until then. For the second straight year, they lost Game 7 on the road, when maybe if played at Arco, they would have had a better chance to win. But what was sad was that in the Dallas series, I saw Webber trying to move around, like he could do prior to his injuries. And that ended up hurting him more, to the point that he had problems moving. So I am hopping that his knee finally heals, because even though Webber is not a good 4th quarter player, he still is a great passer and can get you 20+points a game. I think the one event which really hurt him was the NCAA Championship when he called time out when Michagan had none. I think that really did shape his mental toughness from that point on. But when Webber is healthy, he is a great talent. I just wish he would take it to the hole more, instead of taking those damn jumpers. Also, the Kings got hurt by Jackson's ab injury. Instead of having one of the best 6 man in the league come off the bench, the Kings had to turn to Peeler, who is not good as Jackson. But the Kings have had the worse luck the last three years. 2002 - Kings lose Peja for most of the Laker series. Horry makes that last second three. The Lakers get all the calls in Game 6 (how do you foul someone with your face?) And The Kings can't make any free throws in Game 7 and the Lakers win one of the best West Finals I have seen. And in Game 5, Fisher did flop on that pick set by Webber, as I saw that Webber was planted, and Fisher is a flopper. 2003 - The Kings look really good going into Game 2 against Dallas. Up to that point they looked like they could beat anyone, and then Webber blows his knee out. The Kings lose in Arco due to miss free throws, wasting a great effort by Peja. And due to poor play down the stretch, they lose home court advantage, and lose in Dallas in Game 7. 2004 - Too many injuries, Webber is not 100%. The Kings lose their best bench player. And poor play down the stretch costs them a higher seed and home court. They lose in Game 7. Once again the window is inching closer and closer to being shut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 In reality you can point to a lot of reasons why the Kings lost the last three playoff series, but the biggest bullshit reason by so-called "experts" is that "The Kings play a style of basketball that can be shutdown in the playoffs" That is such a pile of horseshit. As far as I am concerned the Kings could have won it all in 2002, and made it to at least the WCF this year if they could only suck it up and make free throws in pressure situations. That is it. You can give me all the gloom and doom about how "they need to blow the team up and start over.....blah blah" but take everything into account, Webber's injury, Peja shooting like shit, Bobby Jackson not playing a single game......and I can just stop all of those excuses and just point to free throws, plain and simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 2004 - Too many injuries, Webber is not 100%. The Kings lose their best bench player. And poor play down the stretch costs them a higher seed and home court. They lose in Game 7. Once again the window is inching closer and closer to being shut. I don't get this comment; the average age of the Kings is 28.8, which is only fourth-oldest out of the six teams in any serious discussion for championship contention (SAC, SAS, LAL, MIN + IND, DET), and the youngest of the likely Western Conference contenders in the immediate future; why do the Kings only get a three-year window? Are Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell somehow getting younger? Is Shaquille O'Neal? Why aren't their "windows" closing? ... So I am hopping that his knee finally heals, because even though Webber is not a good 4th quarter player... Webber is a good fourth-quarter player... or, at least as good as the Kings have, when he's healthy (or even a reasonable fascimile of healthy). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted June 4, 2004 You know, that's a damn good point I never thought about. LA's window of opportunity is definitely closing, especially if Phil and/or Kobe leave. This is the last year they'll be in serious contention for anything unless Shaq and Kobe are retained, but Sacramento has a chance for revenge next year. Could we see a Sacramento/San Antonio WCF matchup next year? or a Sacramento/Houston? The following season is going to be damn interesting, especially if that rumoured AI deal goes through, though it's probably B.S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 It is true that there are six serious title contenders in the NBA, but Indiana is NOT one of them. Teams with no offense don't win championships. Dallas, on the other hand is a perfectly feasible championship contender for next year, as all the major parts should still be in place next year and they are certainly still young. If they can get rid of Antoine Walker for a big man who can run the floor and play D, there's no reason the Mavericks can't contend for a title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 I'm a knicks fan, i've made it quite clear...but even if I wasn't, to say that Patrick Ewing didn't want the ball in the 4th has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
godthedog 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 It is true that there are six serious title contenders in the NBA, but Indiana is NOT one of them. Teams with no offense don't win championships. Dallas, on the other hand is a perfectly feasible championship contender for next year, as all the major parts should still be in place next year and they are certainly still young. If they can get rid of Antoine Walker for a big man who can run the floor and play D, there's no reason the Mavericks can't contend for a title. teams with no defense don't win championships, either. trying to win by outscoring the other team is not a feasible way to a championship, and picking up ONE MAN who can play D won't help it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 Yeah, I dare anyone to name a NBA champion that was bad on defence. You can't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2004 Commissioner Stern must be quite thriled with this. Ratings for the playoffs have been good. Indy/Detroit game 6 was ESPN's highest rated basketball game ever. LA/MINN game 6 was cable's highest ever. NBA Playoff Ratings Up on TNT and ESPN Thu Jun 3, 5:33 PM ET NEW YORK - Detroit's win over Indiana in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals was the most-watched basketball game ever on ESPN. TNT's coverage of Game 6 of the Western Conference finals between Los Angeles and Minnesota on Monday was watched in 6.5 million households, the most ever for an NBA playoff game on cable. Tuesday's game between the Pistons and Pacers, which earned a 5.0 rating, was seen in an average of more than 4.4 million households, breaking the previous record of 3.8 million households that watched this year's NCAA (news - web sites) women's basketball championship game between Tennessee and Connecticut. Each rating is equal to 883,000 households. The ratings for the six games of the Eastern Conference finals averaged a 3.8, up 36 percent from last year's 2.8 for two games. The 26 playoff games broadcast by ESPN averaged a 2.7 rating, up 13 percent from the 2.4 for 20 games last season. TNT's coverage of 43 playoff games got a 3.4 national cable rating, up 10 percent from last year's 3.1 — when the cable channel aired 46 games. The six games of the Western Conference finals averaged a 6.3 rating, up 38 percent from the previous year's 4.6. The cable rating is the percentage of all homes with cable service, whether or not televisions are in use. TNT is available in about 82 percent of households in the United States. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
