Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2004 I understand that though he's perhaps the most favoured villain fans want to see adapted onto the screen, I forsee a symbiote storyline easily coming off as being incredibly ridiculous to mainstream audiences and more importantly, film critics. That's the issue. Venom is too otherworldly for the mood that Raimi has set up in these films. I know people that were taken out of the film just because they said John Jameson walked on the moon. The mainstream audience will not accept some alien storyline in these films, at least unless you go completely over-the-top which is not what Raimi is intending to do. There are too many other villains that could work with fairly minor adjustments (costume changes, etc) such as Scorpion, Electro, or Mysterio (aside from the obvious in Lizard and Green Goblin II, which Raimi is already setting up). People are going to see Spider-Man no matter who the villain is, as long as the film is good and you don't scare them away with rediculous outerspace stuff. You COULD do something similar to Ultimate Venom, but then all the fanboys who are complaining now would complain that that isn't the real Venom, so what's the point? Not to mention that there are many comic fans that hate the character. He is very polarizing, you either love him or hate him for the most part. There are far less risky villains to use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2004 one question...Connors WAS missing his arm in this movie right? I swear everyone I know completely missed the fact that his arm was missing...or maybe I'm wrong? anybody else experiencing this strange phenomona? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AmericanDragon 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2004 In the trailers he was missing his arm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renegade 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2004 one question...Connors WAS missing his arm in this movie right? I swear everyone I know completely missed the fact that his arm was missing...or maybe I'm wrong? anybody else experiencing this strange phenomona? They didn't put a strong emphasis on it but you could see his arm was missing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted July 17, 2004 His arm was indeed missing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2004 Harry Osborn's story is five times better than any other villian story. Plus it's gotten two films of development about it. Movie 3 should be about Harry (with a redesigned costume since the original was so damn clunky). It's the culmination of a trilogy, and fits perfectly with the CHARACTER-FOCUSED drama that Raimi has established in films 1 and especially 2. And for those who are whining about the Green Goblin again...whatever. To me, this is like having Darth Vader in more than one star wars movie. This is the overriding storyline of the FILM SERIES. Make a choice: Do you want... a) to see your favorite villian onscreen or b) the best most dramatic and compelling film possible? Because A is Venom, or scorpion, or whoever else you want. and B is Harry/GGII. (although they could have a lesser villian as a secondary villian in a). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted July 17, 2004 Harry Osborn's story is five times better than any other villian story. Plus it's gotten two films of development about it. Movie 3 should be about Harry (with a redesigned costume since the original was so damn clunky). It's the culmination of a trilogy, and fits perfectly with the CHARACTER-FOCUSED drama that Raimi has established in films 1 and especially 2. And for those who are whining about the Green Goblin again...whatever. To me, this is like having Darth Vader in more than one star wars movie. This is the overriding storyline of the FILM SERIES. Make a choice: Do you want... a) to see your favorite villian onscreen or b) the best most dramatic and compelling film possible? Because A is Venom, or scorpion, or whoever else you want. and B is Harry/GGII. (although they could have a lesser villian as a secondary villian in a). That hits the nail on the head. And its exactly why Raimi is probably going to go with GG2. Raimi tells good stories within the context of a superhero backdrop. He's not going to forego that like SOME people do (*ahem*DC/WB*ahem*) in favor of something convoluted and F/X ridden. Venom doesn't fit with things right now. Maybe later on he will. Venom would require a *very* dark movie to pull off well and we haven't quite gotten to that point yet. Harry/Peter is going to be amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 17, 2004 You can alter the backstory to make it work. They've done it before. Stop making excuses why it can't work and just amdit that it COULD work on screen. I'm not making excuses. And I've already said that it could work if they adapted the origin. An ALIEN symbiote would be too out of place, though (as others have stated). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest combat_rock Report post Posted July 18, 2004 Hmm, I'm late to the party, since I saw it like a week ago Anyway, we got the Nic Cage movie about the constitution-Could be good, or could be total crap Catwoman-yeah right Christmas with the Kranks-The only good thing was when they played the Ramones That Angelina Jolie movie with the blimps-Looked interesting So, I thought the movie was simply awesome. There wasn't really much I didn't like about it, except for some of the Aunt May scenes. Still, when Peter revealed what really happened to Uncle Ben, and they reconciled afterward, it kind of saved that angle for me. Otherwise, I loved the Peter/MJ stuff, really loved the Harry Osborn stuff, and obviously, the action was great. Doc Ock was such a cool villian to fight, although I too have often wondered how he can take such a beating from Spidey. Anyway, I think Harry should be the main villian of part three. It would be stupid to build it up in part two, and not pay it off. I mean, what's he going to be doing with the knowledge that Peter is Spidey for all that time anyway? As for Venom, I could see it happening. I wouldn't really mind the Ultimate Spider-Man version of his origin, because most comic fans have accepted Ultimate Spider-Man as the awesome comic it is. The fanboys that would have a problem with it would be a minority of a minority. Still though, it shouldn't be the next movie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2004 There are too many other villains that could work with fairly minor adjustments (costume changes, etc) such as Scorpion, Electro, or Mysterio Why the hell do they need costume changes? This is what pisses me off about this shit......just leave them the way they were! You don't have to f'n change there costumes! They're fine. The original Green Goblin costume was fine. The one in the movie was absurd looking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 18, 2004 Why the hell do they need costume changes? This is what pisses me off about this shit......just leave them the way they were! You don't have to f'n change there costumes! They're fine. The original Green Goblin costume was fine. The one in the movie was absurd looking. I have to disagree there. I really liked the movie version of the Green Goblin suit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2004 Why the hell do they need costume changes? This is what pisses me off about this shit......just leave them the way they were! You don't have to f'n change there costumes! They're fine. The original Green Goblin costume was fine. The one in the movie was absurd looking. I have to disagree there. I really liked the movie version of the Green Goblin suit. And I'll disagree right back. He looked like a stupid green robot. In the comic book he looked like a nutcase in a suit. Which is what he is. In the movie I was afraid of Spider Man breaking his hand on that stupid metal mask......which is probably why he never gave him a good shot to the face. In the comic book they went at it like mad b/c they were both wearing tights. Everyone says "Oh well it's modern. The Green Goblin wouldn't run around in pajama's!" Well if he wouldn't then why would Spider Man? Once again it all comes back to the interview with Sam Raimi that pissed me off where he says "I don't THINK that the Green Goblin......." Oh well that's all well and good that you don't think he would but the fact is....HE DID. You didn't create the villain so you don't have the say on what you think he'd do. Fact is he did it and the creator said he did it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2004 Why the hell do they need costume changes? This is what pisses me off about this shit......just leave them the way they were! You don't have to f'n change there costumes! They're fine. The original Green Goblin costume was fine. The one in the movie was absurd looking. I have to disagree there. I really liked the movie version of the Green Goblin suit. And I'll disagree right back. He looked like a stupid green robot. In the comic book he looked like a nutcase in a suit. Which is what he is. In the movie I was afraid of Spider Man breaking his hand on that stupid metal mask......which is probably why he never gave him a good shot to the face. In the comic book they went at it like mad b/c they were both wearing tights. Everyone says "Oh well it's modern. The Green Goblin wouldn't run around in pajama's!" Well if he wouldn't then why would Spider Man? Once again it all comes back to the interview with Sam Raimi that pissed me off where he says "I don't THINK that the Green Goblin......." Oh well that's all well and good that you don't think he would but the fact is....HE DID. You didn't create the villain so you don't have the say on what you think he'd do. Fact is he did it and the creator said he did it. Wouldn't Spider Man kill the Goblin if he gave him a good shot to the face? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2004 Why the hell do they need costume changes? This is what pisses me off about this shit......just leave them the way they were! You don't have to f'n change there costumes! They're fine. The original Green Goblin costume was fine. The one in the movie was absurd looking. I have to disagree there. I really liked the movie version of the Green Goblin suit. And I'll disagree right back. He looked like a stupid green robot. In the comic book he looked like a nutcase in a suit. Which is what he is. In the movie I was afraid of Spider Man breaking his hand on that stupid metal mask......which is probably why he never gave him a good shot to the face. In the comic book they went at it like mad b/c they were both wearing tights. Everyone says "Oh well it's modern. The Green Goblin wouldn't run around in pajama's!" Well if he wouldn't then why would Spider Man? Once again it all comes back to the interview with Sam Raimi that pissed me off where he says "I don't THINK that the Green Goblin......." Oh well that's all well and good that you don't think he would but the fact is....HE DID. You didn't create the villain so you don't have the say on what you think he'd do. Fact is he did it and the creator said he did it. Wouldn't Spider Man kill the Goblin if he gave him a good shot to the face? No.....he did it in the comic book all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 18, 2004 Why the hell do they need costume changes? This is what pisses me off about this shit......just leave them the way they were! You don't have to f'n change there costumes! They're fine. The original Green Goblin costume was fine. The one in the movie was absurd looking. I have to disagree there. I really liked the movie version of the Green Goblin suit. And I'll disagree right back. He looked like a stupid green robot. In the comic book he looked like a nutcase in a suit. Which is what he is. In the movie I was afraid of Spider Man breaking his hand on that stupid metal mask......which is probably why he never gave him a good shot to the face. In the comic book they went at it like mad b/c they were both wearing tights. Everyone says "Oh well it's modern. The Green Goblin wouldn't run around in pajama's!" Well if he wouldn't then why would Spider Man? Once again it all comes back to the interview with Sam Raimi that pissed me off where he says "I don't THINK that the Green Goblin......." Oh well that's all well and good that you don't think he would but the fact is....HE DID. You didn't create the villain so you don't have the say on what you think he'd do. Fact is he did it and the creator said he did it. I don't think he looked like a "stupid green robot." The suit made much more sense in terms of glider flight. I thought the mask was appropriately menacing as well. It really made the Goblin seem more evil, more demonic. I'm not saying I disliked the original Goblin suit or anything; I just didn't have a problem with the movie version and I think it worked quite well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2004 Well I had a huge problem with it. Stemming from the fact that the Green Goblin was one of my favorite comic baddies and I just loved his look. Then the movie comes around and the suit is changed and I have to listen to Sam Raimi act as if he's the god of Spider Man canon and somehow the creators got it all wrong and he's here to fix the evil that was contributed because the real Green Goblin is sitting at home going "I would never wear purple and green! You tell them Sam! The creators are wrong!!!!" and then I have to listen to people say "Well this is better than purple and green pajama's! HAR! HAR!" Well first of all he was never wearing pajama's, they're tights. And if you want to go that route....EVERY SUPER HERO THAT WEARS TIGHTS IS IN PAJAMA'S! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
art_vandelay 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 Just curious Damaramu, did you have a problem with the X-Men movie makeovers as well, or would you have preferred Hugh Jackman in yellow and blue spandex? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 I didn't particularily like the new Goblin costume, but I can understand changing it. If I can find it, I'll scan some of the other possibilities for Goblin suits that were considered (pics were in a Wizard magazine released back then, I'll look for it). A couple of them were a lot better. My problem with it is that the fights boil down to Peter vs Norman, and with the Power Ranger robot suit that didn't come across as well as I think it could have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 Just curious Damaramu, did you have a problem with the X-Men movie makeovers as well, or would you have preferred Hugh Jackman in yellow and blue spandex? Actually, I think he did. If I'm incorrect though, I recall some one on the board did... That hits the nail on the head. And its exactly why Raimi is probably going to go with GG2. Raimi tells good stories within the context of a superhero backdrop. He's not going to forego that like SOME people do (*ahem*DC/WB*ahem*) in favor of something convoluted and F/X ridden. I'm not complaining at all about the Raimi Spider-Man movies, but you act as if the latest DC movies were actually pleasing anyone or trying to stay close to the comics at the expense of movie quality. Hulk obviously is a flawed take that could have worked... Catwoman is a ridiculous abomination that draws very loosely from the comics at best. Jack Black Lantern? No comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 Just curious Damaramu, did you have a problem with the X-Men movie makeovers as well, or would you have preferred Hugh Jackman in yellow and blue spandex? Actually I have a problem with most any changes they do to comic book characters. I like them the way they are in the comic book and I see no reason why they can't just transfer them from comic to screen as is. And don't give me bullshit about it looking absurd in a movie. If you think about half the shit that happens in most movies it's absurd and non-realistic. Not to mention we're talking about COMIC BOOK SUPER HEROES! I fail to see how you can say "Oh my god it'll look so unrealistic if we put this guy in yellow tights on the screen! Nevermind the fact he has claws and can heal really fast......." I'm a purist. They should remain pure to the work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 No.....he did it in the comic book all the time. I thought Spider Man pulled his punches so he wouldn't kill someone when he hit them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackFlagg 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 No.....he did it in the comic book all the time. I thought Spider Man pulled his punches so he wouldn't kill someone when he hit them. normal people, yes....super powered people, no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 Well, I'm 9 pages behind, but I can finally say that I saw the damn thing, and I can only say... Wow. Best comic adaptation ever. Now, back to your regularly scheduled posts... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 Just curious Damaramu, did you have a problem with the X-Men movie makeovers as well, or would you have preferred Hugh Jackman in yellow and blue spandex? Actually, I think he did. If I'm incorrect though, I recall some one on the board did... That hits the nail on the head. And its exactly why Raimi is probably going to go with GG2. Raimi tells good stories within the context of a superhero backdrop. He's not going to forego that like SOME people do (*ahem*DC/WB*ahem*) in favor of something convoluted and F/X ridden. I'm not complaining at all about the Raimi Spider-Man movies, but you act as if the latest DC movies were actually pleasing anyone or trying to stay close to the comics at the expense of movie quality. Hulk obviously is a flawed take that could have worked... Catwoman is a ridiculous abomination that draws very loosely from the comics at best. Jack Black Lantern? No comment. I think you read me wrong, Andrew. I agree with you. I hope Catwoman sinks into the abyss of forgotten time, the Superman mess is downright maddening, and Jack Black with the Ring makes my eye twitch. WB is number one on my heel studio list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted July 19, 2004 And Hulk was awesome until the final battle. I like a little psychology with my villains but that thing just didn't make any sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2004 About the costumes, it isn't so much the lack of realism for the spandex as it is that the comic costumes look rediculous, especially for the X-Men. No self-respecting psychotic badass killing machine goes around wearing bright yellow, I'm sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Spidey's costume is the only one aside From Superman that has translated perfectly to film, as far as I know. And no, Punisher doesn't count. Didn't Alex Ross do a Goblin design that had him in a cloak and with some great makeup and a sword or something. I've always thought that would have been interesting on film. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Spidey's costume is the only one aside From Superman that has translated perfectly to film, as far as I know. And no, Punisher doesn't count. Dean Cain's shiny blue costume > Christopher Reeve's flat blue costume. I did, however, end up believing that a man could fly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Agreed with Venger, Dean Cain's outfit was the shit. What the hell happend to him anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Made-for-tv-movie hell... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
