Official Spiderman 2 Thread

[Karnage 0]

Did anyone think in the movie when Peter couldn't shoot web out that it was a perfect time to introduce synthetic webbing?

[Damaramu 0]

Did anyone think in the movie when Peter couldn't shoot web out that it was a perfect time to introduce synthetic webbing?

No they already went the incredibly stupid route and changed the webbing. They don't need to flip flop around. Albeit I disagree with the move, they need to stick to it.

[Damaramu 0]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

[BlackFlagg 0]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Uh, yeah...That was the whole point. His powers were going away because in his mind he saw them as something keeping him from leading a normal life, he didn't really lose his powers...his mind was just shutting them down.

[Guest Seven Sins]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Spiderman/Peter Parker = Hulk version 2.0?

[Damaramu 0]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Uh, yeah...That was the whole point. His powers were going away because in his mind he saw them as something keeping him from leading a normal life, he didn't really lose his powers...his mind was just shutting them down.

I don't think that ever happened in the comic book. Plus I don't think it would really work since the powers are genetic and not mental. I don't think they come equipped with an on and off switch.

[BlackFlagg 0]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Uh, yeah...That was the whole point. His powers were going away because in his mind he saw them as something keeping him from leading a normal life, he didn't really lose his powers...his mind was just shutting them down.

I don't think that ever happened in the comic book. Plus I don't think it would really work since the powers are genetic and not mental. I don't think they come equipped with an on and off switch.

Thi s isn't the comic book, it doesn't follow everything from them...and everything is mental, his powers are part of his body, and everything is controlled by your brain.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Just a comment on the trailers.

 

The trailer (complete) for Blade: Trinity played THREE TIMES before the movie (First, middle, and last trailer to be shown).

 

We also got Christmas with the Kranks, Catwoman, I, Robot, and I think 1 or 2 others.

[Damaramu 0]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Uh, yeah...That was the whole point. His powers were going away because in his mind he saw them as something keeping him from leading a normal life, he didn't really lose his powers...his mind was just shutting them down.

I don't think that ever happened in the comic book. Plus I don't think it would really work since the powers are genetic and not mental. I don't think they come equipped with an on and off switch.

Thi s isn't the comic book, it doesn't follow everything from them...and everything is mental, his powers are part of his body, and everything is controlled by your brain.

They should still at least stay close to the story of the comic. Otherwise your just a hack robbing character likenesses to fufill you own stories. I'm still a strong believer in all of these movies bearing some resemblance to the comic, and not just characters. Some story resemblance.

[Guest SpiderFan]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Uh, yeah...That was the whole point. His powers were going away because in his mind he saw them as something keeping him from leading a normal life, he didn't really lose his powers...his mind was just shutting them down.

I don't think that ever happened in the comic book. Plus I don't think it would really work since the powers are genetic and not mental. I don't think they come equipped with an on and off switch.

It did happen in the comics. In Amazing Annual #1 Pete see's Aunt May crying while looking at a picture of Uncle Ben. He feels bad, since it's his fault, and says he wishes he didn't have his spider-powers anymore. Right after that, he trips on a ledge, and his powers are gone. He gets them back a few days later because he has to save Betty Brant and Auny May from the Sinister Six.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Uh, yeah...That was the whole point. His powers were going away because in his mind he saw them as something keeping him from leading a normal life, he didn't really lose his powers...his mind was just shutting them down.

I don't think that ever happened in the comic book. Plus I don't think it would really work since the powers are genetic and not mental. I don't think they come equipped with an on and off switch.

It was a psychosomatic illness.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

First off... I loved both movies. They were fun and did very well for a film translation. Especially in the year 2002/4, when the stuff in the 60's seemed more possible. JJJ is absolute gold in the sequel, I nearly busted my gut from some of his lines. Great timing and just a true ass that is totally loveable.

 

 

Some people they could go with though. Cameo wise...

 

There's the Green Goblin(Harry version) obviously.

Dr. Curt Conners who goes on to be the Lizard.

Eddy Brock is mentioned briefly in the first one, as some worker for the Daily Bugle.

There's also Betty Brant... who becomes Betty Leeds... who is the wife of one of the Hobgoblins(That being Ned Leeds)

There's also the possible return of Doc Ock

 

 

Something tells me they will follow up with one of those leads... and in reality, there some of Spidey's best villains anyway.

[Guest SP-1]

Also it seemed in this one:

 

that he could turn his powers on and off. When he didn't want to be Spider Man they suddenly went away. then when he was pissed they came back. that was strange.

Uh, yeah...That was the whole point. His powers were going away because in his mind he saw them as something keeping him from leading a normal life, he didn't really lose his powers...his mind was just shutting them down.

I don't think that ever happened in the comic book. Plus I don't think it would really work since the powers are genetic and not mental. I don't think they come equipped with an on and off switch.

It was a psychosomatic illness.

Bingo. It's the same principle as an artist who loses faith in his abilities and actually loses his ability to draw well until he starts accepting himself again.

 

It happens.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Checked out the movie today and was totally blown away. I hope it makes billions, because it deserves it.

 

I think, maybe, for the next film they could pull the double-villan storyline, ala Batman Returns. However, one must be careful how they handle a movie with two mega-villans in it, as it can become overwhelming (i.e. every Batman movie after Batman Returns)

 

Good stuff though, 9.5 out of 10.

 

UYI

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Didn't notice this until the 2nd time I saw it with a different group of friends, but mother f'n Phil "Green Lantern" Lamar pulls Spider-Man back into the Subway after that whole scene

 

Also it was pointed out to me that Harry was wearing a green tie at the wedding which was neat, and I guess explains why the ending sequence was in the order it was and not the sequence everyone on earth I've spoken to or read on this board thinks it should have gone.

[Guest Choken One]

Caught the movie and I have to say it was painfully average.

 

The action wasn't that great, the acting seemed phoned in, a shitty villian.

 

I liked the storyline but it was a completly average popcorn fare movie for me.

[Damaramu 0]

Also what's the deal with Kirsten Dunst and showing her nipples in these movies? Jeez......

[Guest Choken One]

yeah...You have to admire the efforts directors make to find a way to get Dunst in some sort of watery scene to expose the nipples.

[Guest SP-1]

Caught the movie and I have to say it was painfully average.

 

The action wasn't that great, the acting seemed phoned in, a shitty villian.

 

I liked the storyline but it was a completly average popcorn fare movie for me.

Wow, Choken.

 

Your understanding of the source material shines through there.

[Guest Choken One]

Who gives a shit about source material? Becuase I chose not to waste time reading comics. The movie STILL failed to do what it's purpose was to do...ENTERTAIN.

 

FUCK THE SOURCE MATERIAL.

 

Bad Acting by all parts, boring action scenes always equal AVERAGE at best.

[El Psycho Diablo 0]

Bad acting? Boring action sequences?

 

Are you sure you watched the right movie?

[Guest Choken One]

Yeah, Maybe I was watching "Two Brothers" by mistake.

 

No, it was a average movie...nothing horrible but completely average that doesn't deserve this fanfare.

 

"Bad" might be a harsh term but for the hype it got and ends up being ok-decent, it justifies it.

[Guest wrestlingbs]

Just saw the movie. And Choken, was wasn't an average movie, That was a KICK-ASS SPECTACULAR MOVIE! This is why CGI-infested shitholes like Van Helsing and DaT fail at the box offices: because they don't build up the plot. Spiderman 2 was the first comic movie I've seen to rely so heavily on the characters rather than the action (and that includes X2). And while some may think that slowsdown the picture, for me it made the action scenes seem more important because it made you care about something. Great acting all around, and a HUUUUGE improvement by the actor who played Harry (although he didn't have much to do in the first one. Some thoughts:

 

 

*The first 30 minutes made you really feel for Peter Parker. I'm surprised he didn't hang himself with his web.

 

*Nice cameo by Stan Lee and Bruce Campbell. Has Bruce gained weight though?

 

*The hospital scene, as mentioned before, was a great tribute to Evil Dead. The best part about it, though, was that even the cinematography was like Evil Dead. From the askew angles to the still shots to the cchainsaw to the roaming camera.

 

*Doc Ock is a much better villian than GG, fighting wise. Doc's a freaking huge villain on the screne.

 

*The only gripe I have witht the train scene is that somebody, sadly, would've been enough of an asshole to blab about what Spidey looked like. I find it hard to believe that out of 20 or so people there isn't one greedy asswipe.

 

*Hobgoblin's got to be the next villian. While Doc was great, you really can't bring him back without taking away from S3's story and stretching the boundaries of acceptance. Doc's death was definative enough to the regular viewing audience. While I'm sure they will have a second guy (Don't think it'll be Lizard or any of the symbiotes) Hobgoblin will be the head guy.

 

* No Mole, you can't kill off MJ. Not without having a riot on your hands in the theater. Remember, that bittersweet shit didn't work for the Matrix ending, either. Spidey can suffer, you can kick his family around, but if you take away his goal in life (or stick him with that rent girl) you may end up pissing off the viewers.

 

[Guest SpiderFan]

FUCK THE SOURCE MATERIAL.

 

You should apply to WB, I hear they're looking for a director for Superman.

 

While I'm sure they will have a second guy (Don't think it'll be Lizard or any of the symbiotes) Hobgoblin will be the head guy.

 

I'm thinking for the third one, they should bring in Black Cat. She could be a psyeudo villian, fighting with Spidey a bit, and she could add a whole dynamic to Pete's relationship with MJ.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

*The only gripe I have witht the train scene is that somebody, sadly, would've been enough of an asshole to blab about what Spidey looked like. I find it hard to believe that out of 20 or so people there isn't one greedy asswipe.

 

Doc Ock probably killed a large number of them.

[Damaramu 0]

*Hobgoblin's got to be the next villian. While Doc was great, you really can't bring him back without taking away from S3's story and stretching the boundaries of acceptance. Doc's death was definative enough to the regular viewing audience. While I'm sure they will have a second guy (Don't think it'll be Lizard or any of the symbiotes) Hobgoblin will be the head guy.

Do you mean Green Goblin? Though the dueling Goblins would add another dynamic to it all. But they'd have to keep Hobby the same....I don't know if I could take seeing him in the metal flight suit. I don't give a fuck what Sam Raimi thinks about "the fact they wouldn't wear pajama's around!" excuse me fuckwad. You didn't write the story. Just adapt it for screen. Don't rewrite things. He'd better not fuck with Venom's look. Or he'll be a dead man!

 

That hacked me off about the first one to. Sam Raimi changing all that shit and his explanation being "I don't think......" it was like he was slapping Stan Lee in the face and saying "I don't care what you wrote! My idea is better!"

[Ravenbomb 0]

The problem with Venom is how do you pull it off while maintaining the 'style' of the movie universe? He's just so different from the regular Spidey villains that he stands out in such a sharp contrast.

 

Plus, which origin do you give him? Secret Wars is out of the question. The meteor from the animated series? The recent origin from ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN? The Ultimate origin would probably work best in the movie universe. Tone venom down quite a bit as well so he fits better in the movie universe. He'll be hard to pull off. While I wouldn't mind seeing him done well, I do think there are better villains to have Peter come up against before Venom shows up.

What're the Secret Wars and Ultimate origins?

[LaParkaMarka 0]

They would look stupid in pajama's. Imagine the X-Men or X2 with everyone wearing blue and yellow spandex, it would have looked retarded. People are allowed to change things when adapting for film, and some changes are (shockingly) for the best.

 

SP2 was excellent. The only problem I had is Dunst as MJ. MJ has an astronaut, a billionaire, and a superhero after her; she should be much much hotter than Dunst.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Just got back, really dug it, way better then the first and improvements were given to the areas needed most. I'll get the cons out of the way first.

 

Doc Ock- This isn't nescessarily a comment on him so much as it is all the villians in Spiderman (which includes Harry) and their "inner turmoil." I didn't really find Dock Ock to be a terribly bad guy. Yes, people were killed but the man's intentions were not evil but to recreate that which was taken for him, made for the good of the world. It was the same w/ Osborne (even though why he was "bad" is still hazy to me). The inner conflict will no doubt continue in the third film. But there's more then enough of this inner meaning stuff to go around so hopefully in the third movie we can get a bad guy that is really fucking evil and straight up wants to hurt Spiderman and all the innocents. Because right now it seems to me that Spiderman doesn't fight so much as he stops them.

 

Mary Jane- Now, I don't hate Kriten Dunst as M.J. But I don't love her. The MJ I know from comics and tv was a lot more enthusiastic towards Peter, showed more love, more fire. She was sassy and a tad on the slutty side. This MJ is the polar opposite. She's frail, she's fragile and really really pale. Like pasty-ass white pale. Sorry, it just had to be said. Dunst' delivery is well done here but the "awkward moment" scenes between her and Tobey fell flat and she gets wide-eyed waaaaaaaay too much for my liking.

 

The Good

 

Tobey was a lot better in this then the first one and the movie did a good job of showing us the battle for normalacy vs the battle to do what's right. His work in particular w/ Aunt May was very good here.

 

James Franco also vastly improves upon his character in this one, gives it a lot more passion and more emphasis on revenge then we last saw. Here's hoping they don't FSU the next film because this storyline is going places.

 

The Evil Dead ref. in the hospital w/ Doc Ock.

 

Alfred Molina did well for himself, though I still think that Sam Neill (who was originally cast) would've done a better job. It was a bit odd seeing Doc Ock so hefty after how he looked in the comics. He looked like he was having a lot of fun as the villian and it showed.

 

The action scenes were well spaced apart and balls out. You got the impression of actual meaning behind this fighting because the two characters were going all out and giving their full, whereas in the first film I really didn't get that vibe.

 

Overall, damn good film, maybe the best comic book film I've seen. ****

[Damaramu 0]

They would look stupid in pajama's. Imagine the X-Men or X2 with everyone wearing blue and yellow spandex, it would have looked retarded. People are allowed to change things when adapting for film, and some changes are (shockingly) for the best.

 

SP2 was excellent. The only problem I had is Dunst as MJ. MJ has an astronaut, a billionaire, and a superhero after her; she should be much much hotter than Dunst.

They aren't pajama's though. And I do think the original Green Goblin and the original Hobgoblin look badass. I thought the movie GG looked like a fucking tool.

And like I said.....god save his soul if he finds a way to fuck up Venom's look!