Official Spiderman 2 Thread

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

My trailers were Catwoman, the Tim Allen one, and I think that was all. Anyway, the movie was amazing though I liked the first one a tiny bit more. Like Kill Bill, the sequal was more story as the first was more action.

[Red Baron 0]

Saw it, excellent movie, way better than the first movie.

 

Trailers:

 

Anaconda 2, Christmas with the Kranks, I, Robot, The Village, Bourne Supremacy.

 

to JMA:

 

Scorpion will probably be in the third movie, since MJ left JJJ son for Parker/Spiderman, and Oswald will get his revenge. JJJ hires Scorpion for revenge, and teams up with Oswald, and there's your story

[Anakin Flair 0]

Well I can tell you that this is my favorite Super Hero movie so far. Before my list was:

 

1) Daredevil

2) Spider Man

3) The Punisher

4) The Hulk

5)X-Men

6)X-2

 

Now you can just move those all down a notch. I put X-2 at the bottom of the list b/c even though I'm a huge X-Men mark I found the movie to be boring as shit.

 

But this one kept me going hardcore.

Someone on this board actually likes Daredevil as well? And here I thought I was the only one...

[Mole 0]

Well I can tell you that this is my favorite Super Hero movie so far. Before my list was:

 

1) Daredevil

2) Spider Man

3) The Punisher

4) The Hulk

5)X-Men

6)X-2

 

Now you can just move those all down a notch. I put X-2 at the bottom of the list b/c even though I'm a huge X-Men mark I found the movie to be boring as shit.

 

But this one kept me going hardcore.

X-2 boring? Did we see the same movie? And Daredevil #1? Interesting...

 

Previews:

Anaconda 2 (UGH)

I, Robot (Looks sweet, plus the fact Alan Tudyk is in it)

The Bourne Supremcy (Solid action flick it seems)

Collateral (A DVD rental)

Catwoman (UGH)

 

Anyway, this movie was awesome. I never read any of the comics, not a fan of them, but I am still a big fan of superhero movies. I've seen the first one sooooooo many times, I can't stand to watch it anymore. I doubt this will happen with this one.

 

The story was sooo damn deep. I didn't think it was possible to get that much character development into one movie, but they sure has hell did it somehow. I loved the fact that the main villian of the movie wasn't Doc, but Peter's problems. Well that's the way I looked at it.

 

The special effects were amazing. In the first one, there were plenty of times Spidey looked a little blocky, but not in Spidey 2. It was leaps and bounds over the first one and is probabaly the best looking CGI of a human I've seen. Along with the CGI, the action scenes were amazing. They weren't as good as the scenes in X-2, but damn near close.

 

Tobey, Kirsten, and Alfred all did an amazing job. But James Franco, Harry, stole the show. He stole every scene that he was in and did a great job being a little bitch.

 

And the movie brought the funny, which is always a plus.

 

And the realism of Aunt May holding on for that long? It isn't very realistic to have a old lady holding on for that long, but when you have a guy who has superpowers from a spider bite, I push the realism away.

 

I don't do star ratings, but the movie gets a A from me. I was going to give it an A-, but I couldn't think of anything I didn't like really like about it. However it doesn't get an A+ because the fight scenes weren't better than X-2. Even though the story is more important than anything in a movie, I would like my superhero movies to have the best fight scenes. If another movie had better fight scenes, that looses a point.

 

I'd recomend anyone to see the movie. A.

[NoCalMike 0]

Don't flame me for this, but honestly, i thought the first one was a better overall movie then this one.

 

Spiderman 2 had just as many MARK OUT MOMENTS(probably even more) then the original, but the content in between, IMO was just much better in the first one. In the original I never found myself bored and wanting a scene to hurry up, but in this one, just about every scene with Aunt May was making me figity. And no, don't come back with, "you just don't like the drama/story aspect of Spiderman" because like I said, I ate ALL OF IT UP in the original.

 

This movie was definately good, and well worthy of being a sequel to Spiderman, but I just felt that the original was overall a superior film.

 

Oh and the end DOES INDEED ROCK....

 

Edit: my trailers were: that christmas flick with Tim Allen, Anacondas, Blade Trinity

[Guest El Satanico]

Someone on this board actually likes Daredevil as well? And here I thought I was the only one...

I also didn't hate it. It's far from great, but I don't think it's as bad as everyone says.

 

The only part I really didn't like about it was Daredevil getting justice on Kingpin for killing his father by the end of the movie. Kingpin being the arch nemesis he is should've escaped before the police could take him into custody.

[Guest Brian]

I thought they were planning on going with a group of supervillains. I'm not a big Marvel comic reader but I seem to remember a coalition of supervillains that they were planning on using for the third in the series.

[Agent_Bond34 0]

The movie looks good based on the good reviews I've seen in this thread, and the trailers I've seen for this movie, as well.

 

I'm going to see it on Sunday night, if it's possible.

[BrokenTiger 0]

I thought they were planning on going with a group of supervillains. I'm not a big Marvel comic reader but I seem to remember a coalition of supervillains that they were planning on using for the third in the series.

Sinister Six?

[Guest SP-1]

I don't know if they were ever PLANNING on using a big coalition of villains. I'm sure it was a rumor andmay have had some credible beginning. But I think Spidey 2 sets up the next film pretty well . . .

[Guest NCJ]

Well since the Kingpin is out because of Daredevil, the villian the set up for Spidey 3 could easily put together a group of villians to help get rid of Spidey. I'm still not sure that they go with the Sinister Six though because it would take way to much character development for one movie to deal with. However they could be used to set up Venom in the next movie with Spidey saving Jameson's son early on, and needing the new suit. To finally over come all the villians. And then getting rid of it at the end of the movie.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Collateral (looks all right)

IT'S A MICHAEL MANN CRIME FILM SET IN L.A.!

 

What part of that statement do you not get?

 

 

Anyway, I see this at 1:30 today.

[Guest SpiderFan]

I seem to remember an interview with Sam Raimi saying that he didn't want to do more then one villian per movie because he wouldn't have time to develop them properly.

 

For number 3, I hope they make Harry the Hobgoblin, if only because we've already seen GG, and Sony probably won't want to market the same villian twice. Harry could say he's better then his father, so he improved the costume to reflect that. The first half of the film can be Pete's wedding to MJ, and Harry preping extract his revenge. About half way through the film, he can go on a rant to the mask that he won't make the same mistakes his father did, so he re-creates the bridge scene to prove he can succeed where Norman didn't, and he kills MJ since Dunst doesn't want to come back. The rest of the film can be about Pete dealing with MJ's death (maybe becoming more violent when dealing with thugs, isolating himself from his family, ect) and wanting to kill Harry, but not being able to since it violates his repsonsibility vow to Uncle Ben.

 

If Sony want to make a fourth film, bring Gwen in for a love interest, or the Black Cat. And use Mysterio for a villian. The illusions would be really cool, and the film makers could use that to basically do whatever they want to.

[Mole 0]

I wish they would have killed MJ at the end of this one. I would have pissed me off a little bit, but it still would have been sweet.

 

And Spiderman 2 made an estimated $38.6 million, making it the biggest Wednesday opening ever.

 

I'm telling you, it will make $150 by Sunday.

[Dr. Tom 0]

I saw the 10:00 showing last night, and I'm going again tomorrow afternoon. This was definitely a superb movie, better than the original. No part of it dragged, IMO, as the character and story development were as important to the movie as the action scenes. While the year is only half over, I don't have any reservations calling this the best movie I'll see in 2004.

 

And yes, the review is forthcoming.

[Boner Kawanger 0]

First off, the theater I went to was absolutely sold out, so much so that they couldn't print a ticket for me (I had bought one Tuesday and got some card with Spidey on it...I didn't get to keep it). So after the manager escorted me in, we found the trailers for a seven o'clock film starting at 6:50. I was so happy. Then I saw the trailers for...

 

Snakes! The Search for the Magic Flower!

Catwoman (booo)

Collateral (Yay)

Christmas with the Kranks (Whatever)

Blade III (HHH doesn't get top-billing, but I'll probably see it anyway)

 

Seriously, this is the biggest movie of the summer. Where are the good trailers? Ah, well. Doesn't matter. Mostly everything has been covered

 

The opening credits were some of the best I've ever seen. Alex Ross has a midas touch. MUCH better than the original's wire-frame web drawings.

 

The scenes with Peter Parker (on his MOPED~! MARKOUT~!) delivering pizza just prove that everyone working on this movie understands how Peter Parker works. "He just stole that dude's pizzas!" Was that you, Ashy Larry? It was! It was you, Ashy Larry!

 

Dr. Connors has one arm. And Peter has three friends in the entire world. MJ, Hard-Drinkin' Harry, and Aunt May throw him a party which throws us into the movie. The whole thing is a blur from here on, but it was simply amazing. For me, a fan of both Spider-Man and Sam Raimi, everything was perfect. I can barely focus enough to write all of this. Sorry for the rambling. I'll be seeing it again next week.

 

9/10

[pochorenella 0]

I'm telling you, it will make $150 by Sunday

 

That seems likely, since Matrix Reloaded did $144 million on its first 5 days, I'm sure Spidey 2 will do better. Still, it's somewhat unlikely that it'll break the 3-day weekend record of Spider-Man. Historically speaking, Independence Day weekend it's not as strong box-office wise as it is on the month of May. At least that's what they say over at Box office Mojo.

[Mole 0]

Memorial Day is a stronger weekend than Independence Day, but this is Spiderman 2 we are talking about here. It won't beat Spiderman's weekend gross because it opened on Wednesday. If it opened on Friday, it might have beaten the first one.

 

When it is all said and done, SP2 will be number 3 all-time domestic.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Just saw it, and it rocked. Loved all of the little things, and the cameos were great. I'll write more later, probably, after I eat.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I wish they would have killed MJ at the end of this one. I would have pissed me off a little bit, but it still would have been sweet.

 

And Spiderman 2 made an estimated $38.6 million, making it the biggest Wednesday opening ever.

 

I'm telling you, it will make $150 by Sunday.

Any reason you'd like to have seen MJ killed off, Mole? How would it have been "sweet?"

 

Anyway...

 

- Doc Ock may be the most underutilized villain in the history of single-hero comic films. This would have been more forgiveable if the final shot of him was in a jail cell with his arms affixed to a cell wall; muttering about revenge. But they killed him off, which was pretty dumb.

 

- JJJ was great, although he may be the only character in both movies who had his best moment in the first one (Refusing to give up PP's name to GG even under threat of death). Stand-out comedy in a flick full of it.

 

- The movie does a tremendous job investing us in it's characters emotionally, and making Spidey do the impossible on screen.

 

- The villain's (Doc Ock's) SECRET BIG PLAN OF DOOM sucks. However, the Harry/Peter dynamic is the best part of this movie.

 

- Rosemary Harris is a godsend in this film. She has a nuanced, layered, and complex portrayal that even hints at far-off possibilities MINOR SPOILER: One, in particular, seems to hint that she MAY know that Pete and Spidey are one and the same.)

[Karnage 0]

I'm in the minority here, I was kinda let down by Spidey 2. JJJ, Spidey's webslinging and the Stan Lee cameo were great but what really bothered me was everyone knowing Spider-Man's identity. Harry knows, Doc Ock knows, Mary Jane knows, even a whole train knows. That's what really annoyed me about the film.

[Damaramu 0]

Well in the comic book:

 

Harry knows and MJ know. And I'm pretty sure Doc Ock found out.

I still want to know what we're getting in the next movie! I want Venom dammit! The quicker we get Venom the quicker we get CARNAGE! I know they probably won't do a Carnage movie but still....they'd be stupid not to.

To bad they killed off Doc Ock. They could've done a Sinister Six movie.

[Anakin Flair 0]

I wish they would have killed MJ at the end of this one. I would have pissed me off a little bit, but it still would have been sweet.

 

And Spiderman 2 made an estimated $38.6 million, making it the biggest Wednesday opening ever.

 

I'm telling you, it will make $150 by Sunday.

Any reason you'd like to have seen MJ killed off, Mole? How would it have been "sweet?"

 

Anyway...

 

- Doc Ock may be the most underutilized villain in the history of single-hero comic films. This would have been more forgiveable if the final shot of him was in a jail cell with his arms affixed to a cell wall; muttering about revenge. But they killed him off, which was pretty dumb.

 

- JJJ was great, although he may be the only character in both movies who had his best moment in the first one (Refusing to give up PP's name to GG even under threat of death). Stand-out comedy in a flick full of it.

 

- The movie does a tremendous job investing us in it's characters emotionally, and making Spidey do the impossible on screen.

 

- The villain's (Doc Ock's) SECRET BIG PLAN OF DOOM sucks. However, the Harry/Peter dynamic is the best part of this movie.

 

- Rosemary Harris is a godsend in this film. She has a nuanced, layered, and complex portrayal that even hints at far-off possibilities MINOR SPOILER: One, in particular, seems to hint that she MAY know that Pete and Spidey are one and the same.)

I took from that scene that Aunt May KNEW, she just wasn't comming out and saying it.

 

The Harry dynamic in the movie was great. He wants to avenge his father, but now he has a moral dilema- does he kill his best friend? And will he be the next Goblin, ignoring the two or three that came before him?

 

Doc Ock was great, but underutilized. He disappeared for long stretches, but when he was on, Molina was great. And they can always bring him back- whose to say the tentacles didn't save him?

 

JJJ was great- especially the part where he was feeling sorry that he drove off Spiderman, untill Spidey stole his suite back.

 

MJ finally learns the truth. Now, can she live with Peter happily ever after? You'd think she'd be more cautious, since she keeps getting kidnapped!

 

I loved the train scene (guess where it was filmed). I also liked how the people helped out Peter, and stood up for Spiderman when it counted. a lot better handled and way more subtle than in the first film.

 

SLIGHT SPOILER!

Cameo's from both Uncle Ben and Norman Osborne! Bruce Cambel as an usher! Stan Lee in the crowd again.

 

Way better than the first, though it tended to drag at times. Now, a friend told me Tobey signed on for 3 MORE after this- any guesses as to who the villians will be?

[Boner Kawanger 0]

I'm in the minority here, I was kinda let down by Spidey 2. JJJ, Spidey's webslinging and the Stan Lee cameo were great but what really bothered me was everyone knowing Spider-Man's identity. Harry knows, Doc Ock knows, Mary Jane knows, even a whole train knows. That's what really annoyed me about the film.

Well, Doc Ock is dead and I doubt anyone on that train recognized Peter Parker.

 

J. Jonah Jameson has been my favorite part of both movies. A guilty pleasure, yes. J.K. Simmons is the man.

[Mole 0]

I wish they would have killed MJ at the end of this one. I would have pissed me off a little bit, but it still would have been sweet.

 

And Spiderman 2 made an estimated $38.6 million, making it the biggest Wednesday opening ever.

 

I'm telling you, it will make $150 by Sunday.

Any reason you'd like to have seen MJ killed off, Mole? How would it have been "sweet?"

It would have been a bittersweet ending; Spiderman saves the day, but the love of his life dies. Bittersweet endings make for a better movie, IMO. It isn't often that you see a mainstream movie end bittersweet, thus making the movie "sweet." If that were to have been the ending, SP2 would have gotten an A+.

 

And how bout you not spoil people next time by telling them that MJ didn't die, BondBoy.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I wish they would have killed MJ at the end of this one. I would have pissed me off a little bit, but it still would have been sweet.

 

And Spiderman 2 made an estimated $38.6 million, making it the biggest Wednesday opening ever.

 

I'm telling you, it will make $150 by Sunday.

Any reason you'd like to have seen MJ killed off, Mole? How would it have been "sweet?"

It would have been a bittersweet ending; Spiderman saves the day, but the love of his life dies. Bittersweet endings make for a better movie, IMO. It isn't often that you see a mainstream movie end bittersweet, thus making the movie "sweet." If that were to have been the ending, SP2 would have gotten an A+.

 

And how bout you not spoil people next time by telling them that MJ didn't die, BondBoy.

You're an idiot, Mole. You've proven it for the 1,000,000th time.

 

1. The ending already WAS bittersweet: Peter's best friend discovers is secret and is driven insane by the knowledge. Otto Octavius is dead, and whatever reform he could have made died with him. MJ and Peter have each other, but it's an uncertainty at best (which is shown on MJ's face at the end).

 

2. Your ending was not "bittersweet," so much as retarded, Mole. The ending provided in the film was perfection. After beating Peter over the head with adversity throughout the film, it gives him a measure of peace. And a darker ending does not automatically equal a higher grade.

 

3. I didn't spoil anything, because NO ONE EXPECTS MJ TO DIE ANYWAY. They're obviously building to the marriage angle they used in the comics.

 

4. You suck at the internet.

[Justice 0]

Point: Zsasz.

 

And I just saw the movie. Loved it. I agree with what has been said about the ending and switch up the order of events, and with Zsasz's point on Ock dying when they had a great character to continue to use. I liked Ock as a villian so much better than the GG; his powers were just more interesting, his motivation was more believable and he just seemed a more 3-Dimensional character than the GG. Or maybe that was just how good the acting job was. Anyways, they could have had him survive, and the police arrest him, leaving him bitter that even though he was reformed, a hero and saved the city, they still lock him up and call him a monster. To do this, though, you couldn't have PP showing his face to Octavius, either.

[Mole 0]

You're an idiot, Mole. You've proven it for the 1,000,000th time.

 

1. The ending already WAS bittersweet: Peter's best friend discovers is secret and is driven insane by the knowledge. Otto Octavius is dead, and whatever reform he could have made died with him. MJ and Peter have each other, but it's an uncertainty at best (which is shown on MJ's face at the end).

1. Okay you are right about it already being bittersweet, my bad. However, Otto dieing wasn't bittersweet to me. I know he was being contolled by something, but his death didn't get any tears from me. He was the villian, he died, good-bye.

 

2. Your ending was not "bittersweet," so much as retarded, Mole. The ending provided in the film was perfection. After beating Peter over the head with adversity throughout the film, it gives him a measure of peace. And a darker ending does not automatically equal a higher grade.

2. Right, my opinion about wanting someone to die was retarded. The movie was just so perfect, I feel like such an idiot.

 

No the ending wasn't perfect, you even said so yourself. BondBoy said: "- Doc Ock may be the most underutilized villain in the history of single-hero comic films. This would have been more forgiveable if the final shot of him was in a jail cell with his arms affixed to a cell wall; muttering about revenge. But they killed him off, which was pretty dumb.

 

When a movie ends dark it makes it a better movie, in my opinion. I am a fan of dark endings, especially in mainstream movies because they don't happen that often. If I am not mistaken, a grade is a person's opinion of a movie. If I like dark endings, the movie will get a better grade. Simple math, Bondboy.

 

3. I didn't spoil anything, because NO ONE EXPECTS MJ TO DIE ANYWAY. They're obviously building to the marriage angle they used in the comics

3. What do you mean no expects MJ to die? I am sure everyone here thought going into the movie "Oh MJ won't die."

 

If they haven't seen the movie, and you telling them something didn't happen, THAT IS SPOILING IT. For example, in Se7en: Did anyone expect Gwyneth Paltrow's character to die? NO, so that is why saying MJ didn't die is a spoiler.

 

Not everyone reads the comics. I have never picked up a comic until this past week to read Astonishing X-Men. I wasn't aware of the marriage angle or anything that happens to Spidey or MJ. If I never read the comics, how am I supposed to know that she isn't going to die?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

You're an idiot, Mole. You've proven it for the 1,000,000th time.

 

1. The ending already WAS bittersweet: Peter's best friend discovers is secret and is driven insane by the knowledge. Otto Octavius is dead, and whatever reform he could have made died with him. MJ and Peter have each other, but it's an uncertainty at best (which is shown on MJ's face at the end).

1. Okay you are right about it already being bittersweet, my bad. However, Otto dieing wasn't bittersweet to me. I know he was being contolled by something, but his death didn't get any tears from me. He was the villian, he died, good-bye.

 

2. Your ending was not "bittersweet," so much as retarded, Mole. The ending provided in the film was perfection. After beating Peter over the head with adversity throughout the film, it gives him a measure of peace. And a darker ending does not automatically equal a higher grade.

2. Right, my opinion about wanting someone to die was retarded. The movie was just so perfect, I feel like such an idiot.

 

No the ending wasn't perfect, you even said so yourself. BondBoy said: "- Doc Ock may be the most underutilized villain in the history of single-hero comic films. This would have been more forgiveable if the final shot of him was in a jail cell with his arms affixed to a cell wall; muttering about revenge. But they killed him off, which was pretty dumb.

 

When a movie ends dark it makes it a better movie, in my opinion. I am a fan of dark endings, especially in mainstream movies because they don't happen that often. If I am not mistaken, a grade is a person's opinion of a movie. If I like dark endings, the movie will get a better grade. Simple math, Bondboy.

 

3. I didn't spoil anything, because NO ONE EXPECTS MJ TO DIE ANYWAY. They're obviously building to the marriage angle they used in the comics

3. What do you mean no expects MJ to die? I am sure everyone here thought going into the movie "Oh MJ won't die."

 

If they haven't seen the movie, and you telling them something didn't happen, THAT IS SPOILING IT. For example, in Se7en: Did anyone expect Gwyneth Paltrow's character to die? NO, so that is why saying MJ didn't die is a spoiler.

 

Not everyone reads the comics. I have never picked up a comic until this past week to read Astonishing X-Men. I wasn't aware of the marriage angle or anything that happens to Spidey or MJ. If I never read the comics, how am I supposed to know that she isn't going to die?

An ending should serve the story it is a part of, period. You don't just do an ironic ending because you FEEL LIKE IT. You're telling a story, here. Yours does not. Yours also kills off the woman who will become the central figure in the protagonists' life for years to come.

 

Your ending sucks.

 

Oh and honestly, did anyone really think MJ WASN'T going to make it? Anyone AT ALL?

 

Believe me, it's no shock that you haven't read the comics, because you are staggeringly ignorant of so many elements of the character. Just like you are ignorant of little things like "humor" and "story structure."

 

Keep calling me BondBoy, Mole. You know you're wrong, I know you're wrong, everyone else knows you're wrong.

 

But hey, this IS the guy who thinks that Angel/Buffy was the GREATEST LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME.

[Mole 0]

No you are right, killing MJ would be stupid because she is an important character in the future, since you told me. However, I wasn't aware that Peter and MJ were going to get married or whatever happens.

 

I guess I am an idiot for not knowing something because I didn't read the source material.