Could the elections be delayed?

[Vyce 0]

Shouldn't this be considered a failure of Bush?

 

Nearly 3 years since 9-11, billions of dollars, war and death, Patriot Act....

 

Still we are America, Land of the Fear.

 

 

 

 

 

Please help us G.I. George. Please.

That loud sound that you all just heard was my skull bashing against the wall in frustration at the reasoning skills of some of the people in this forum.

Vyce, are you at all capable of actually contributing to a debate here? So far all you've done is insult those that aren't in lockstep with your opinions, while you blindingly and sycophantically agree with everthing MikeSC and a few others have said.

We would be in no LESS of an environment of "fear", as snuffbox puts it, if someone else - for example, Al Gore - had been president rather than Bush.

 

It's the reality we live with.

 

Him blaming this one on Bush is not surprising, but it is assinine, and I'm not going to coddle him if he thinks that way.

[Highland 0]

I really don't think it would have mattered who was sitting in the Oval Office during 9/11 and anyway even if this is more than a rumour, the election date won't be altered unless a catastrophe on a scale greater than the 9/11 attacks were to occur.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Vyce, are you at all capable of actually contributing to a debate here? So far all you've done is insult those that aren't in lockstep with your opinions, while you blindingly and sycophantically agree with everthing MikeSC and a few others have said.

 

Perhaps he can be our new hunger4unger...

[snuffbox 0]

Shouldn't this be considered a failure of Bush?

 

Nearly 3 years since 9-11, billions of dollars, war and death, Patriot Act....

 

Still we are America, Land of the Fear.

 

 

 

 

 

Please help us G.I. George. Please.

That loud sound that you all just heard was my skull bashing against the wall in frustration at the reasoning skills of some of the people in this forum.

Vyce, are you at all capable of actually contributing to a debate here? So far all you've done is insult those that aren't in lockstep with your opinions, while you blindingly and sycophantically agree with everthing MikeSC and a few others have said.

We would be in no LESS of an environment of "fear", as snuffbox puts it, if someone else - for example, Al Gore - had been president rather than Bush.

 

It's the reality we live with.

 

Him blaming this one on Bush is not surprising, but it is assinine, and I'm not going to coddle him if he thinks that way.

Dont take my hyperbole too seriously duder.

 

Bush dressed up like Sgt Slaughter, he attacks, he is Commander. He wants to be tough on 'evildoers' and draw problems and attention to America then it is his responsibility to live up to his own agenda.

 

All apologies for confusing you Vyce, let us never again question the impeccable leadership of The Bush.

[Guest MikeSC]

I just find it Ironic that in the article it says, that the Terrorists are trying to disrupt our democratic procedures, yet how the hell is our own government changing/delaying the date not interrupting democratic procedures?  Shouldn't we be firm on the election date to show they can't scare us into doing something drastic like, oh say.....the Patriot Act?

Jesus, is PLANNING for all possibilities so foreign a concept?

-=Mike

What on earth are you talking about? Planning for ALL possibilites? What is that, the new tag line of bullshit? What does that even mean, it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to plan for all possibilites. I don't see how delaying the elections would make a lick of difference anyway besides guarantee Dubya a few more weeks/months in office. If Tom Ridge has some definitive evidence to show that an attack is being planned during election day, then so be it and do what we have to do, however just making these vague statements that really mean nothing, is starting to get redundant, unless you personally have been out there on the streets being weary and suspicious of "people dressed up as firemen, policemen, people sweating, people looking disconnected, people mumbling" Gimme a fucking break.......

NCM, when one posses a TINY MODICUM of knowledge as to how gov't and military work, one learns that they try to plan for as many contingencies as possible. Can they do ALL of them? No --- but they try and have SOME idea what to do in ALL situations.

 

Fact is, this isn't even a molehill that you're trying to make a mountain out of.

 

Geez, let's say an attack happens and Bush wins. YOU would bitch that they weren't put off until the situation cooled, so don't even COMMENCE the bitching that a POSSIBILITY that is BLOODY UNLIKELY to happen is worth the concern. Jesus, it baffles my mind that the left is so incapable of facing the fact that their opponents, in fact, AREN'T EVIL. Nobody is planning on cancelling it "just in case".

 

I swear, Michael Moore is more rational than some people here.

 

Bush gets bitched at for not doing ENOUGH to prevent 9/11 --- then gets bitched at for planning for possible problems in the future. And the left wonders why the right finds them so bloody psychotically deranged nowadays.

Don't know about you, but I'm sick and fucking tired of this "after 9/11, everything changed" bullshit. Did we screw with our elections because of the Civil War? Not that we know of. World War II? No. Threat of communism? No sir.

 

This stupid political game of living under a clould of fear due to terrorism is utter crap, and I'm tired of seeing it exist year after goddamned year. Let's stop living like this.

Do you know, for a fact, that plans WEREN'T made during World War II and the Civil War for a worst case scenario? I'd be stunned if considerations were not made.

Dont take my hyperbole too seriously duder.

 

Bush dressed up like Sgt Slaughter, he attacks, he is Commander. He wants to be tough on 'evildoers' and draw problems and attention to America then it is his responsibility to live up to his own agenda.

 

All apologies for confusing you Vyce, let us never again question the impeccable leadership of The Bush.

Left: Boo. Bush didn't do enough to prevent 9/11.

Bush: Well, here's a plan for the election in case something happens.

Left: Boo. Bush is planning something...

-=Mike

[Guest GreatOne]

Dont take my hyperbole too seriously duder.

 

Bush dressed up like Sgt Slaughter, he attacks, he is Commander. He wants to be tough on 'evildoers' and draw problems and attention to America then it is his responsibility to live up to his own agenda.

 

All apologies for confusing you Vyce, let us never again question the impeccable leadership of The Bush.

GW yelling at a bunch of dweeb liberals DROP DOWN AND GIVE ME 50 AND THAT'S AN ORDER!!!!!! would be more worth the price than say, Fahrenheit 911.

 

In fact so would GW going all Lee Ermey on Michael Moore, COME ON, ONE PULL-UP!!!!!

[Vyce 0]

I know I'd pay money to see Mikey get the soap treatment.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Left: Boo. Bush didn't do enough to prevent 9/11.

Bush: Well, here's a plan for the election in case something happens.

Left: Boo. Bush is planning something...

Paper: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside America."

Bush: What is this bullshit about? I think I'll forget about it.

Richard Clarke: Uh, sir...

Bush: Not now, Zorro is on.

Clarke: Yeah, okay, guess I'll leave my papers on the desk.

Americans: *blissfully unaware*

Bin-Laden: Me turn planes into boom booms.

Americans: Well, at least they caught us unaware.

Clarke: Actually, it was pretty friggin' obvious.

Americans: WHAT?

Congressional Investigators: Uh, yeah. He's right. Oops.

Bush: Hey, check this out! I got a plan for a scenario that we have absolutely no hunches could ever happen! Be prepared, but in case you aren't, we've moved the terror scale from "steady as she goes" to "En Garde!"

Americans: Shouldn't you be paying attention to real issues or something?

Bush: If I start, you'll expect me to keep it up. I'm going to go talk about the threatening dangers of gay marriage now. Bye.

MikeSC: Brilliance!

[NoCalMike 0]

Left: Boo. Bush didn't do enough to prevent 9/11.

Bush: Well, here's a plan for the election in case something happens.

Left: Boo. Bush is planning something...

Paper: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside America."

Bush: What is this bullshit about? I think I'll forget about it.

Richard Clarke: Uh, sir...

Bush: Not now, Zorro is on.

Clarke: Yeah, okay, guess I'll leave my papers on the desk.

Americans: *blissfully unaware*

Bin-Laden: Me turn planes into boom booms.

Americans: Well, at least they caught us unaware.

Clarke: Actually, it was pretty friggin' obvious.

Americans: WHAT?

Congressional Investigators: Uh, yeah. He's right. Oops.

Bush: Hey, check this out! I got a plan for a scenario that we have absolutely no hunches could ever happen! Be prepared, but in case you aren't, we've moved the terror scale from "steady as she goes" to "En Garde!"

Americans: Shouldn't you be paying attention to real issues or something?

Bush: If I start, you'll expect me to keep it up. I'm going to go talk about the threatening dangers of gay marriage now. Bye.

MikeSC: Brilliance!

Don't forget Tom Ridge's strict orders to be suspicious of citizens dressed in Emergency response team uniforms, and people that are sweaty, oh and don't forget those MUMBLERS..........GAWD HELP US ALL...........

[Guest MikeSC]

I know I'd pay money to see Mikey get the soap treatment.

It honestly blows my mind how unhinged the left is.

-=Mike

[Highland 0]

You guys do know that Ermey gets shot by the guy getting the soap treatment, right?

[bobobrazil1984 0]

No, it shouldn't be delayed.

Its kind of funny, all this talk about not letting the terrorists influence our election... that's exactly what rescheduling it is. The only real delay I might support is if we're talking like two days or something, if something happens right then the night before or on election day, and that's just to get the physical parameters sorted out.

The real issue is that the Republicans and Bush worried that they might need some time to regain the public's faith in Bush if a terrorist attack occurs. the secondary issue being Dems worrying that their chance to win will evaporate if there's a few months of 'calming down'. otoh its entirely possible an attack would mobilize support behind bush.

 

Simply put, any terrorist attack, just as with ANY MAJOR EVENT, from 9/11, to Iraq, to the economy, etc etc, is going to effect our elections whether the election is the day after, or three months after, or whatever. Frankly I dont think Americans are gonna go hysterical and lose thier minds if an attack happens close to election day. Maybe if it was 9/11, but post-9/11 is a different world and most Americans understand that.

Let freedom ring, no delay folks.

 

(Still, it IS an issue worth bringing up and proposing... as long as it leads to everybody saying "well it worth considering... but no." )

[Guest MikeSC]

Rice said there are no plans to delay the election.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Bah, that's what she says now.

 

Wait until G.W. HITLER is down 20 points on Nov. 1.

 

Hey, this conspiracy stuff is kinda fun...

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Let me join in!

 

on Nov. 1st, G.W. HITLER is going to give the command to an UNDERCOVER OPERATIVE within Delta to crash a plane from ohh.. IRAN, full of IRANIANS, into ... MOUNT RUSHMORE, and then we'll go to war with IRAN on Nov. 2nd, G.W. HITLER will unveil Super-Secret Executive Order #99, and he'll be PRESIDENT FOR LIFE!

 

Now really.

 

I'm calling most of you all idiots. Let's see. If a city got attacked with a biological agent, HOW THE FUCK are those people voting when they're being evacuated?

 

It's called planning, just in case shit happens. Really.

[snuffbox 0]

I know I'd pay money to see Mikey get the soap treatment.

You seriously need help guy.

[Vyce 0]

Rice said there are no plans to delay the election.

-=Mike

[liberal - or on this board, perhaps more accurately, Jobber] Well, she's part of the same pack of liars, so why should I believe anything SHE has to say? [/]

 

You seriously need help guy.

 

Don't blame me - you started the FMJ reference, I'm just taking it to the next step.

 

But maybe I was too harsh, so I'll clean it up: I'd pay money to see Mikey Moore eat a jelly doughnut with tears running down his big fat face as a few dozen brave soldiers do pushups in front of him, their eyes focused upon him with malice and disdain in their hearts.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Wait until G.W. HITLER is down 20 points on Nov. 1.

Well that does it. This calls for DISTINGUISHED VIETNAM VETERANS WHO AREN'T AFRAID TO ADMIT IT!

 

Go, ketchup fortunes, go!

[Justice 0]

Left: Boo. Bush didn't do enough to prevent 9/11.

Bush: Well, here's a plan for the election in case something happens.

Left: Boo. Bush is planning something...

Paper: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside America."

Bush: What is this bullshit about? I think I'll forget about it.

Richard Clarke: Uh, sir...

Bush: Not now, Zorro is on.

Clarke: Yeah, okay, guess I'll leave my papers on the desk.

Americans: *blissfully unaware*

Bin-Laden: Me turn planes into boom booms.

Americans: Well, at least they caught us unaware.

Clarke: Actually, it was pretty friggin' obvious.

Americans: WHAT?

Congressional Investigators: Uh, yeah. He's right. Oops.

Bush: Hey, check this out! I got a plan for a scenario that we have absolutely no hunches could ever happen! Be prepared, but in case you aren't, we've moved the terror scale from "steady as she goes" to "En Garde!"

Americans: Shouldn't you be paying attention to real issues or something?

Bush: If I start, you'll expect me to keep it up. I'm going to go talk about the threatening dangers of gay marriage now. Bye.

MikeSC: Brilliance!

Because, of course, the Gore Administration reaction would have been like this:

 

Paper: "Bin Laden is determined to attack inside the US."

Gore: Hey, what's this?

*Gore touches paper and goes "Deadzone" Christopher Walken-style*

Gore: There will be an attack... on September 11th in New York City... involving planes... crashing into the Twin Towers!

*Lets go of paper and goes back to normal*

Gore: Glad I have my psychic powers. Now I can save the day!

*Flys off to capture Bin Laden*

 

"Inside America" is a very specific place, eh? Oh wait, no it isn't.

 

Bin Laden was the only person "determined to attack in the US", right? Oh wait, a whole fucking lot of people are determined to attack inside the US.

 

Our intelligence community was sharing information and giving us a clear picture of this, right? Oh wait, our intelligence community was withholding info from each other and couldn't give us any clear pictures on if this threat was truly credible or not.

 

But, hey, Bush knew.

 

Because he did.

 

But hey, I'll leave you and NoCal to your "BUSHKNEWLOL911" circlejerk.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

"Inside America" is a very specific place, eh? Oh wait, no it isn't.

The full text of the memo actually names NYC as a target.

 

And saying "but this is what Gore would do" is a total cop-out and a piss poor way of diverting blame for mistakes. Gore isn't President. Bush is.

[Justice 0]

"Inside America" is a very specific place, eh? Oh wait, no it isn't.

The full text of the memo actually names NYC as a target.

 

And saying "but this is what Gore would do" is a total cop-out and a piss poor way of diverting blame for mistakes. Gore isn't President. Bush is.

And there are memos like this every day mentioning numerous threats made by different groups. Once again, there wasn't nearly enough information to make any sort of useful action to stop it, and considering the memo was written in August, that doesn't give much time to take effective steps either.

 

And it's not a cop out: 9/11 would have still happened under Gore. The attack was basically inevitabe; there was little that could be done because of the lack of cooperation between agencies for anyone to get any sort of clear plan. It wouldn't have been his fault, either; he would have been a victim of circumstances.

[Guest MikeSC]

"Inside America" is a very specific place, eh? Oh wait, no it isn't.

The full text of the memo actually names NYC as a target.

 

And saying "but this is what Gore would do" is a total cop-out and a piss poor way of diverting blame for mistakes. Gore isn't President. Bush is.

It actually named SEVERAL cities as targets -- and NYC is hardly a specific target, either. There are several locales in NYC that would be targets.

-=Mike

[Guest GreatOne]

You seriously need help guy.

 

Don't blame me - you started the FMJ reference, I'm just taking it to the next step.

 

But maybe I was too harsh, so I'll clean it up: I'd pay money to see Mikey Moore eat a jelly doughnut with tears running down his big fat face as a few dozen brave soldiers do pushups in front of him, their eyes focused upon him with malice and disdain in their hearts.

I'll take the credit for dropping Lee Ermey--SIRYESSIR!!!!!!!!!

 

And yes to whoever brought up Pyle shooting Hartman, he turned the rifle on himself too, so what?

[NoCalMike 0]

Left: Boo. Bush didn't do enough to prevent 9/11.

Bush: Well, here's a plan for the election in case something happens.

Left: Boo. Bush is planning something...

Paper: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside America."

Bush: What is this bullshit about? I think I'll forget about it.

Richard Clarke: Uh, sir...

Bush: Not now, Zorro is on.

Clarke: Yeah, okay, guess I'll leave my papers on the desk.

Americans: *blissfully unaware*

Bin-Laden: Me turn planes into boom booms.

Americans: Well, at least they caught us unaware.

Clarke: Actually, it was pretty friggin' obvious.

Americans: WHAT?

Congressional Investigators: Uh, yeah. He's right. Oops.

Bush: Hey, check this out! I got a plan for a scenario that we have absolutely no hunches could ever happen! Be prepared, but in case you aren't, we've moved the terror scale from "steady as she goes" to "En Garde!"

Americans: Shouldn't you be paying attention to real issues or something?

Bush: If I start, you'll expect me to keep it up. I'm going to go talk about the threatening dangers of gay marriage now. Bye.

MikeSC: Brilliance!

Because, of course, the Gore Administration reaction would have been like this:

 

Paper: "Bin Laden is determined to attack inside the US."

Gore: Hey, what's this?

*Gore touches paper and goes "Deadzone" Christopher Walken-style*

Gore: There will be an attack... on September 11th in New York City... involving planes... crashing into the Twin Towers!

*Lets go of paper and goes back to normal*

Gore: Glad I have my psychic powers. Now I can save the day!

*Flys off to capture Bin Laden*

 

"Inside America" is a very specific place, eh? Oh wait, no it isn't.

 

Bin Laden was the only person "determined to attack in the US", right? Oh wait, a whole fucking lot of people are determined to attack inside the US.

 

Our intelligence community was sharing information and giving us a clear picture of this, right? Oh wait, our intelligence community was withholding info from each other and couldn't give us any clear pictures on if this threat was truly credible or not.

 

But, hey, Bush knew.

 

Because he did.

 

But hey, I'll leave you and NoCal to your "BUSHKNEWLOL911" circlejerk.

WTF...I have never said once or even eluded to Bush knowing about 9/11 ahead of time.......