What Moore left out of F-911.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Well for anybody who is a Bush supporter... After reading this things COULD be alot worse. I suppose.

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July 20th, 2004 12:52 pm

Fahrenheit 911 is Fair and Balanced

 

by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman / Common Dreams

 

We've come to expect poisonous and unbalanced attacks from the paid far right propagandists denouncing Michael Moore's documentary "Fahrenheit 911." But more disturbing are the scolds from tepid moderate mainstream journalists who often fail to read their own newspapers. New York Times columnist Nicholas D. Kristof attacks the film because "Moore hints that the real reason Bush invaded Afghanistan was to give his cronies a chance to profit by building an oil pipeline there." Kristof attacks Moore for even raising this issue,. But he conveniently ignores volumes of information readily available to back up Moore's claim.

 

Perhaps Kristof, like President Bush, refuses to read. At least that would explain why he missed the raging international debate surrounding the Bush administration's well-documented, then-secret oil negotiations with the Taliban in the summer of 2001.

 

The book FORBIDDEN TRUTH: U.S.-TALIBAN SECRET OIL DIPLOMACY AND THE FAILED HUNT FOR BIN LADEN was an international bestseller. Written by French Intelligence experts Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquié, the book asserts that the Bush administration threatened the Taliban with the now- infamous words: "Either you accept our carpet of gold or we'll carpet you with bombs." The threat was made about a month before the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

 

Kristof and his ilk prefer the simple-minded version offered by President Bush: the Taliban and Al Qaeda hate our freedom and liberty. That the world's largest military power in search of new oil supplies for the 21st century would threaten carpet bombing is something the mainstream corporate media simply refuses to consider. Kristof also ignores the fact that the U.S. government installed Unocal advisor Harmid Karzai as the President of Afghanistan and provided him U.S. Special Forces as his praetorian guard. Moore mentions this in the film, but Kristof leaves it out of his column, saying the "Administration's huge errors aren't because of deceit." But that statement itself is very deceitful.

 

Kristof also fails to acknowledge National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski's THE GRAND CHESSBOARD. Brzezinski calmly outlines a thesis that U.S. domination of the globe in the 21st century depends on its control of Central Asian oilfields. He also says the American public would not back an attack unless there was a terrorist attack that galvanized public opinion to seize the foreign oil.

 

Tom Teepen, syndicated columnist for the Cox New Service suggests that "Fahrenheit 911 is a polemic, not a documentary." Teepen says Moore "weaves conspiracy theories in part by conveniently leaving out key information." Teepen belongs to that most despicable class of columnists known as "coincidence theorists." He also doesn't understand the true meaning of "polemic."

F9/11 opens with the 2000 election debacle in Florida. Moore could have recited from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which documented that 54% of the rejected ballots in Florida were cast by black voters and 93% of African-Americans voted for Gore nationwide. The government report singled out George's brother Governor Jeb Bush, and the Bush brothers' close friend and Republican ally, Katherine Harris, for blame. Moore could have presented investigative journalist Gregory Palast's reports for the BBC documenting that at least 58,000 eligible voters in Florida were denied the right to vote because their names were the same or similar to a felon.

 

Moore could have shown footage of a roadblock and told how Florida law enforcement officers turned black drivers of vans and buses away from the polls for failure to provide limousine or chauffer licenses. Moore could have detailed how 20,000 Gore votes mysteriously disappeared in Volusia County and were later reinstated. That gap allowed Fox News analyst John Ellis to project his first cousin, G. W. Bush, to be the winner.

 

What else did Moore leave out?:

 

In his AMERICAN DYNASTY, Republican theorist Kevin Philips documents four generations of Bush family war profiteers dating back to World War I. This includes Samuel Bush's dual role as entrepreneur with Buckeye Steel Casting and government official on the Armaments Board. George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a key operative in the Union Banking Corporation that was seized by the U.S. government in 1942 and liquidated under the Trading with the Enemy Act for helping fund the Nazi war effort. Granddaddy Bush joined the Board of Directors of Union Bank in 1934 and stayed there as the bank aided Hitler's rise to power. The government liquidation yielded a reported $750,000 apiece for Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker.

 

The Bush family is close friends of the self-proclaimed Messiah and creepy cult leader Reverend Sun Myung Moon. In January 1995, Moon's Women's Federation for World Peace paid Bush the Elder at least one million dollars for a speech. Former President Bush was also the principal speaker in the November 1996 opening dinner for Moon's new weekly newspaper "Tiempos del Mundo" of Argentina.

 

Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh reported in February 2002's New Yorker that the Bush administration authorized U.S. cooperation with Pakistan in the December 2001 "Kunduz airlift" that sent airplanes and helicopters to rescue Pakistanis fighting with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Note that the Unocal pipeline from Central Asia goes through Afghanistan into Pakistan. A coincidence?

 

Article VI of the Nuremberg Charter defines "Crimes Against Peace" as "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of war of aggression or war in violation of international treaties . . . or participation in a common plan or conspiracy . . . to wage an aggressive war." The Bush doctrine of "pre-emption" really had nothing to do with pre-empting an Iraqi attack on the U.S. It is simply the widely discredited Nazi doctrine of "preventive war" established by Hitler to claim the right to attack any country that may pose some possible threat at an unspecific time in the future.

 

FALSE PROFITS: THE INSIDE STORY OF BCCI, THE WORLD'S MOST CORRUPT FINANCIAL EMPIRE, by award-winning journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin, documents in detail that Bush brothers Jeb and George both had close links to the drug-running Bank of Credit and Commerce International (aka "Bank of Crooks and Criminals International," according to the CIA).

 

Criminal and civil suits against BCCI establish that Bush's good buddy James R. Bath, was a close business associate of Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law, terrorist financier Khalid bin Mahfouz. Moore correctly shows that Bath and Bush were both disciplined by the Air National Guard at the same time.

 

Professor Katherine Van Wormer, co-author of the authoritative text ADDICTION TREATMENT, suggests that "George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what alcoholics in recovery call 'the dry drunk.' His behavior fits a pattern of years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use."

 

These are just a few facts that Michael Moore left out of his fair and balanced documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. Those who hate this moderate, well-documented film may be most bothered by the actual footage of President Bush. Key scenes include: Bush's infamous, endless study of My Pet Goat in an elementary school class while the World Trade Center burned; Bush's legendary banquet speech referring to "the haves and have- mores" as "my base"; Bush's bumbling, malapropic final warning to "don't be fooled again." What most bugs F911 critics is clearly not the material Michael Moore presents. It's the fair and balanced footage of George W. Bush revealing who he truly is.

 

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Finally a little quote from an old "pal".

 

"Why of course the people don't want war...

It is the leaders... who determine the policy

and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along...

all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and

denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing

the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

 

-Hermann Goring

[Guest Cerebus]

Here is just a few facts that these morons felt necessary to leave out.

 

That sinister UNOCAL pipeline? Never existed, because UNOCAL gave up building it in 1999. In fact, though the Afghan government is planning on building it, UNOCAL is not part of the contract.

 

The US Comission on Civil Rights is so nakedly partisan, and its report left out or manipulated so much information, that two of its own comissioners appeared in front of the Senate Rules Committee and slammed the Comission and the reports.

 

Oh yeah Bush comes from a line of well-to-do people that had shady dealings. I guess he DOES resemble JFK then!

 

They DO happen to compare Bush to Hitler and have a professor of social work at the University of Northern Iowa who has never talked with, interviewed, or properly analyzed Bush to proclaim him a "dry drunk" (I wonder what she has to say about Ted Kennedy).

[2GOLD 0]

Calling a Michael Moore film "fair and balanced" is like calling George W. Bush "wise beyond his years" or Bill O'Reilly a "gentle soul".

 

That film was about as moderate as a moveon.org ad.

 

Cute film, but calling it fair and balanced is just mentally unstable.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

I believe in CE there should be a rule made where we don't post conspiracy theories.

 

Just saying...

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Yeah, that pipeline thing... they made the WHOLE thing up. Sad, just plain sad.

 

So go ahead and link to somebody who says exactly that. Pick your side etc etc.

 

Just another hand caught in the cookie jar.

[Vyce 0]

I believe in CE there should be a rule made where we don't post conspiracy theories.

 

Just saying...

Shut up, Economics Boy.

 

This post of yours has made me so angry, I'm going to post a thread about you in HD.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Look out, everybody! Vyce has a strangely homosexual obsession with me!

[Vyce 0]

Look out, everybody! Vyce has a strangely homosexual obsession with me!

Please. As I've dropped hints about off and on, the only homosexual obsession I have is with Elijah Wood.

 

But if you have a problem with me, Tyler, apparently this is the place to whine about it in.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Actually, I couldn't care less about you. You're not even vaguely relevant to most topics on this board. I just find it cute that you seem to follow me around and post sarcastic remarks when you're not making cutesy, nancy boy references to posts I made about a year ago in threads I don't care enough to post in.

 

You're like a poor, poor man's KKK; no one would confuse you two, though, because he actually happens to be funny some of the time. You're just sad and pathetic.

 

But really, whatever floats your boat, bud.

[NoCalMike 0]

Actually one problem I had with F 9/11 is that it was really skimpy on how awful the Patriot Act is. The Patriot Act could warrant it's own movie, on how much of a broad stroke it can paint someone as a "terrorsist" or how it is being abused a lot for matters in no way shape or form are related to terrorism. I wish Moore would have just left the whole Patriot Act part out since he really didn't even go into any kind of depth about it.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Like they would have released this movie if it went into the Moon/Bush links..

 

 

Although, yeah.. Moon is a creepy man and I'm pretty sure he will die and go to hell. Yeah.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

When I first saw the movie and saw the pipline, the first thing that went through my mind is "Oh, this is one of those things that will be labeled false online again and again whenever anyone brings up one of the other themes from the movie", and sure enough.

[Guest MikeSC]

*yawn*

We've come to expect poisonous and unbalanced attacks from the paid far right propagandists denouncing Michael Moore's documentary "Fahrenheit 911."  But more disturbing are the scolds from tepid moderate mainstream journalists who often fail to read their own newspapers. New York Times columnist Nicholas D. Kristof attacks the film because "Moore hints that the real reason Bush invaded Afghanistan was to give his cronies a chance to profit by building an oil pipeline there." Kristof attacks Moore for even raising this issue,.  But he conveniently ignores volumes of information readily available to back up Moore's claim.

Ironically, this isn't even the biggest slam on their credibility. It gets WORSE!

The book FORBIDDEN TRUTH:  U.S.-TALIBAN SECRET OIL DIPLOMACY AND THE FAILED HUNT FOR BIN LADEN was an international bestseller. Written by French Intelligence experts Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquié, the book asserts that the Bush administration threatened the Taliban with the now- infamous words: "Either you accept our carpet of gold or we'll carpet you with bombs."  The threat was made about a month before the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The French had a best-selling book claiming that we attacked the WTC ourselves. They aren't the most compelling sources for, well, anything.

F9/11 opens with the 2000 election debacle in Florida.  Moore could have recited from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which documented that 54% of the rejected ballots in Florida were cast by black voters and 93% of African-Americans voted for Gore nationwide. The government report singled out George's brother Governor Jeb Bush, and the Bush brothers' close friend and Republican ally, Katherine Harris, for blame. Moore could have presented investigative journalist Gregory Palast's reports for the BBC documenting that at least 58,000 eligible voters in Florida were denied the right to vote because their names were the same or similar to a felon.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/kirs...00310150822.asp

 

Written by one of the Commission members.

Moore could have shown footage of a roadblock and told how Florida law enforcement officers turned black drivers of vans and buses away from the polls for failure to provide limousine or chauffer licenses. Moore could have detailed how 20,000 Gore votes mysteriously disappeared in Volusia County and were later reinstated. That gap allowed Fox News analyst John Ellis to project his first cousin, G. W. Bush, to be the winner.

I'm shocked he didn't. Inventing footage is not uncommon for him.

The Bush family is close friends of the self-proclaimed Messiah and creepy cult leader Reverend Sun Myung Moon. In January 1995, Moon's Women's Federation for World Peace paid Bush the Elder at least one million dollars for a speech. Former President Bush was also the principal speaker in the November 1996 opening dinner for Moon's new weekly newspaper "Tiempos del Mundo" of Argentina.

Because groups with no ties to a President couldn't POSSIBLY pay him to speak. No sir.

Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh reported in February 2002's New Yorker that the Bush administration authorized U.S. cooperation with Pakistan in the December 2001 "Kunduz airlift" that sent airplanes and helicopters to rescue Pakistanis fighting with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Note that the Unocal pipeline from Central Asia goes through Afghanistan into Pakistan. A coincidence?

Do try and keep your conspiracies straight. Bush was supposes to be in bed with Enron --- who had a pipeline plan that didn't involve Afghanistan at all. And, of course, Unocal has nothing to do with any pipelines in the region and haven't for years now.

FALSE PROFITS:  THE INSIDE STORY OF BCCI, THE WORLD'S MOST CORRUPT FINANCIAL EMPIRE, by award-winning journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin, documents in detail that Bush brothers Jeb and George both had close links to the drug-running Bank of Credit and Commerce International (aka "Bank of Crooks and Criminals International," according to the CIA).

Can we name the awards those two "journalists" received? I know Wilson was given a medal as a seeker of truth or something and, well, we know how well that has worked out for him.

Criminal and civil suits against BCCI establish that Bush's good buddy James R. Bath, was a close business associate of Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law, terrorist financier Khalid bin Mahfouz.  Moore correctly shows that Bath and Bush were both disciplined by the Air National Guard at the same time.

Oooh, Clinton's best friends, the McDougals, bilked untold millions from the gov't while his wife was their legal counsel which might cause problems since her husband was in charge of investigating them.

 

Care to discuss how well received the Whitewater investigations were received by the left?

Professor Katherine Van Wormer, co-author of the authoritative text ADDICTION TREATMENT, suggests that "George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what alcoholics in recovery call 'the dry drunk.' His behavior fits a pattern of years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use."

Should I mention how useful diagnoses without any actual one-on-one contact are?

These are just a few facts that Michael Moore left out of his fair and balanced documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. Those who hate this moderate, well-documented film may be most bothered by the actual footage of President Bush.

[Leftist]: Nobody really takes Moore's movie seriously [/Leftist]

Finally a little quote from an old "pal".

 

"Why of course the people don't want war...

It is the leaders... who determine the policy

and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along...

all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and

denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing

the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Ah, a Nazi quote. Lovely.

 

All evil needs to succeed is for good people to do nothing.

Yeah, that pipeline thing... they made the WHOLE thing up. Sad, just plain sad.

 

So go ahead and link to somebody who says exactly that. Pick your side etc etc.

 

Just another hand caught in the cookie jar.

Since you are making the claim --- why not find an actual CREDIBLE source that backs this up?

Actually one problem I had with F 9/11 is that it was really skimpy on how awful the Patriot Act is. The Patriot Act could warrant it's own movie, on how much of a broad stroke it can paint someone as a "terrorsist" or how it is being abused a lot for matters in no way shape or form are related to terrorism. I wish Moore would have just left the whole Patriot Act part out since he really didn't even go into any kind of depth about it.

A movie on hype outpacing reality wouldn't sell. The Patriot Act doesn't do squat, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

A movie on hype outpacing reality wouldn't sell. The Patriot Act doesn't do squat, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

-=Mike

if it doesn't do squat, then what is the point of coming up with in the first place? Or are you just claiming it doesn't do squat to "non-terrorists" which of course would be bullshit....but anyways, for the record could you ellaborate on "doesn't do squat"

[Guest MikeSC]

A movie on hype outpacing reality wouldn't sell. The Patriot Act doesn't do squat, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

        -=Mike

if it doesn't do squat, then what is the point of coming up with in the first place? Or are you just claiming it doesn't do squat to "non-terrorists" which of course would be bullshit....but anyways, for the record could you ellaborate on "doesn't do squat"

It treats terrorists as mob bosses. Nothing more.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

A movie on hype outpacing reality wouldn't sell. The Patriot Act doesn't do squat, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

         -=Mike

if it doesn't do squat, then what is the point of coming up with in the first place? Or are you just claiming it doesn't do squat to "non-terrorists" which of course would be bullshit....but anyways, for the record could you ellaborate on "doesn't do squat"

It treats terrorists as mob bosses. Nothing more.

-=Mike

Well that is unmitigated bullshit!

 

</mikesc>

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

The Bush family is close friends of the self-proclaimed Messiah and creepy cult leader Reverend Sun Myung Moon. In January 1995, Moon's Women's Federation for World Peace paid Bush the Elder at least one million dollars for a speech. Former President Bush was also the principal speaker in the November 1996 opening dinner for Moon's new weekly newspaper "Tiempos del Mundo" of Argentina.

 

 

Because groups with no ties to a President couldn't POSSIBLY pay him to speak. No sir.

 

There's worse things than that when it comes to associating with an anti-Christ.. I'd imagine.

 

[same goes for Falwell and others]

[Guest MikeSC]

A movie on hype outpacing reality wouldn't sell. The Patriot Act doesn't do squat, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

         -=Mike

if it doesn't do squat, then what is the point of coming up with in the first place? Or are you just claiming it doesn't do squat to "non-terrorists" which of course would be bullshit....but anyways, for the record could you ellaborate on "doesn't do squat"

It treats terrorists as mob bosses. Nothing more.

-=Mike

Well that is unmitigated bullshit!

 

</mikesc>

All you have to do is actually demonstrate in what way the act impacts you.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

A movie on hype outpacing reality wouldn't sell. The Patriot Act doesn't do squat, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

         -=Mike

if it doesn't do squat, then what is the point of coming up with in the first place? Or are you just claiming it doesn't do squat to "non-terrorists" which of course would be bullshit....but anyways, for the record could you ellaborate on "doesn't do squat"

It treats terrorists as mob bosses. Nothing more.

-=Mike

Well that is unmitigated bullshit!

 

</mikesc>

All you have to do is actually demonstrate in what way the act impacts you.

-=Mike

No I don't actually. Just because it hasn't effected me perse doesn't mean it isn't being abused. Just the fact that I can be labled a terrorist or have a file opened up on me based on a website I visit or a book I check out from the library is enough for a bit of alarm. That is about the tamest thing I can come up with, however it gets much worse. The likelihood this would actually happen to ME, slim to none of course, but I had to stretch since you wanted to know how it effected me personally.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Well the film has been out for weeks now. Last I checked it was 2004.... Nope still no lawsuits claiming LIBEL! WHat about the slander???? What about the lies! If Moore has just made the whole thing up without a shread of evidence or truth than he would have already been sued up the ass by now. Instead they have quiet letting the radio hosts, the FNC, etc do the talking for them. For what? Do they think its just going to go away? The longer this goes unchallenged the more credibilty Moore aquires and the more guilty Bush and company look. If they don't make a counter-point (facts of their own) other than just saying its "unmitigated bullshit!" over and over again then they have been exposed as the assholes they are. Maybe they can't.

 

As far as the Goring quote. Sounds just like something I've heard alot about recently... can't quite put my finger on it though.

 

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Well the film has been out for weeks now. Last I checked it was 2004.... Nope still no lawsuits claiming LIBEL! WHat about the slander???? What about the lies! If Moore has just made the whole thing up without a shread of evidence or truth than he would have already been sued up the ass by now. Instead they have quiet letting the radio hosts, the FNC, etc do the talking for them. For what? Do they think its just going to go away? The longer this goes unchallenged the more credibilty Moore aquires and the more guilty Bush and company look. If they don't make a counter-point (facts of their own) other than just saying its "unmitigated bullshit!" over and over again then they have been exposed as the assholes they are. Maybe they can't.

There's no need for anyone in the Bush camp to respond to Moore or F/9-11. The movie will not sway enough people or create enough public outcry to make the least bit of difference in the Bush agenda, his presidency or his bid for re-election. Its just a movie made by a man with his own opinions and interpretations. It will strengthen the opinions of those already opposed to Bush and strengthen those who have support for Bush. The only major fallout from F-9/11? More money, fame and fans for Moore.

 

People forget that Rush Limbaugh does 15 hours of radio a week with the intent of swaying people to believe Bush and Republicans = good and Democrats = bad. He has WAY more sway that Moore ever will. The difference? Rush does radio and he's a right-winger. Moore made a movie and is a left-winger. It shouldn't take too much effort to see why the media one instead of the other.

[Guest Cerebus]

Well the film has been out for weeks now. Last I checked it was 2004.... Nope still no lawsuits claiming LIBEL! WHat about the slander???? What about the lies! If Moore has just made the whole thing up without a shread of evidence or truth than he would have already been sued up the ass by now. Instead they have quiet letting the radio hosts, the FNC, etc do the talking for them.  For what? Do they think its just going to go away? The longer this goes unchallenged the more credibilty Moore aquires and the more guilty Bush and company look. If they don't make a counter-point (facts of their own) other than just saying its "unmitigated bullshit!" over and over again then they have been exposed as the assholes they are. Maybe they can't.

 

As far as the Goring quote. Sounds just like something I've heard alot about recently... can't quite put my finger on it though. 

 

You. Are. Full. Of. Shit.

 

You think spouting conspiracy theories that ignore basic fact, quoting Orwell and Nazis, and babbling on about libel, without having any idea what it means, makes a persuasive argument. It doesn't.

 

I have to say, at least Kamui and Hunger were entertaining to read. This guy just sounds like an immature and less eloquent (if that's even possible) Terry McAuliffe.

[Justice 0]

Why not sue? Simple: Because it's more publicity than Michael Moore could ever wish for. Imagine it:

 

"PRESIDENT SUES TO SHUT UP WHISTLEBLOWER!"

 

"BUSH ADMINISTRATION AFRAID OF MOORE!"

 

"FAHRENHEIT 9/11 MAKING BUSH HOT UNDER THE COLLAR!"

 

The reaction to this should be what the Bush administration has already done: With a laugh and dismiss it as simply fiction. As a non-threat. Why concentrate on the unaimed and wild blows of some egotist when you are going to be taking on the Kung Fu (And I use this loosely) of the Democratic Party. Frankly, the Democratic Party are a lot more adept at actually, well, REACHING people and TURNING them to vote against Bush than Moore ever could.

 

You can find a similar example way back in the 50's: Studios and directors who made horror and Sci-Fi films would rile up all the yuppies by hiring actors to come in as some church group and publicly denounce the movie as "Vile, violent, horrifying, etc...". Why would this work? Because people like controversy and forbidden fruit. You tell them "Something about this movie is bad", and more people will want to see it.

 

Anyways... this whole article is crap. Most of the stuff was debunked so throughly beforehand that even Moore couldn't risk putting it in his movie. And I'll quote the great fk_teale regarding your hard-on for posting all this editorial crap:

 

If you're going to jerk off in our faces, you could at least have the courtesy to use your own fucking dick.

[sfaJack 0]

Well the film has been out for weeks now. Last I checked it was 2004.... Nope still no lawsuits claiming LIBEL! WHat about the slander???? What about the lies! If Moore has just made the whole thing up without a shread of evidence or truth than he would have already been sued up the ass by now. Instead they have quiet letting the radio hosts, the FNC, etc do the talking for them.  For what? Do they think its just going to go away? The longer this goes unchallenged the more credibilty Moore aquires and the more guilty Bush and company look. If they don't make a counter-point (facts of their own) other than just saying its "unmitigated bullshit!" over and over again then they have been exposed as the assholes they are. Maybe they can't.

 

As far as the Goring quote. Sounds just like something I've heard alot about recently... can't quite put my finger on it though. 

 

Jesus Christ. What the fuck are you...12?

 

I don't post much in CE, mainly because most anything I have to say has already been said, but goddamn it, this is perhaps the most absurd and most retarded thing I've seen written here in weeks. And that's saying something.

 

Many times in many threads on this board have the inaccuracies and outright lies in F9/11 been rebutted by MikeSC (mainly), Cerebus, and some others. Go hunt down one of those threads and enlighten yourself. Or just Google for it if you need more "credible" sources.

 

The problem is that it won't do any good. Nothing anyone can or will say would ever sway your opinion on the matter, so really, why bother?

 

Shit...as long as we're banning Choken for being useless, why not this fucker as well? Good lord.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I believe in CE there should be a rule made where we don't post conspiracy theories.

 

Just saying...

 

And who decides what is and what is not a conspiracy theory? You?

[BX 0]

Well, he IS an economist, after all. One that works for the Justice Department, at that.

 

Although I'm not really sure what use the Justice Department has for a economist.

[Highland 0]

I rather like having conspiracy theories on this board, mainly because they inspire people to either support or refute them.

[MrRant 0]

Actually, I couldn't care less about you. You're not even vaguely relevant to most topics on this board. I just find it cute that you seem to follow me around and post sarcastic remarks when you're not making cutesy, nancy boy references to posts I made about a year ago in threads I don't care enough to post in.

 

You're like a poor, poor man's KKK; no one would confuse you two, though, because he actually happens to be funny some of the time. You're just sad and pathetic.

 

But really, whatever floats your boat, bud.

 

 

Just reminder that this Dean is greater than this Dean:

 

 

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

I suppose 100 million bucks earned ISN'T reaching people. Funny how when one strikes a nerve and it's all BAN BAN BAN! Pussies.

[Dr. Tom 0]

No one said the movie wasn't doing well.

 

Would you care to actually address the points people have made, or are you going to continue to ignore them and be full of shit?