LOST

[Ravenbomb 0]

I'd just like to say that, brief as it was, the Sayid/Keemy fight was bad-fucking-ass.

[Jingus 0]

True dat, yo. I like it when they decide to remind us just how badass Sayid is. Also: "Do you have the time?" ::thwip!::

 

Other cool moments: Sun going apeshit in the chopper, Ben: "So?", reappearance of Walt, and Desmonny reuniting.

 

Having discussed the matter with a friend, I've come to agree that they couldn't possibly be doing something so fucking stupid as writing Locke out of the series, so I've calmed down a bit.

 

Also, anyone noticed how Jack seems to have miraculous powers of resurrection with his CPR? This is, like, the fourth time he's brought someone back from the dead with it.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

I still think Jin dies, and I think that was further hinted at tonight with Sun telling her father that two men were responsible for his death (i.e. we haven't learned the second one yet, so where would she get that person from unless he really did die?).

 

On first glance, it looks right, but obviously Jin might not necessarily be dead if the island doesn't want him to be dead, so this is still a toss-up. But either way, I'm not wrong here. And I think Charles Widmore is the second person Sun blames, so her plans for revenge will likely figure into next season with it starting with their meeting tonight.

 

Well, Jack did say to Ben that Sun blames him (Jack) for Jin's death, so either a) he's right and Sun hates him or b) Jack's overactive guilt complex is flaring up again. If it's b) I see Ben using some sort of Jedi mind trick on her ("Did you see Jin get blown up, Sun? Are you SURE he's dead?") to get her to come along. Either that, or Sun used tonight's meeting with Widmore as a setup to eventually turn on him and have Sayid (or, for a real mind fuck, Desmond) brutally finish him off in the finale.

 

Anyone else wonder where Farrady and the red shirts are? Did they get zapped along with the Island, or did they just not get picked up by Penny's boat since they didn't have any sort of signal, or what?

 

Oh yeah, I'm REAL interested in why Miles decided to stay on the Island, and how his special ability is going to play out. He seems adept at playing everyone off against each other if it suits him, so this should be fun watching him next season.

[milliondollarchamp 0]

Does anyone else think Charlotte is Annie Ben's friend when he was little on the island?

 

So is Season 5 going to be like Weekend at Bernie's with Jack and Ben putting sunglasses on Locke's dead corpse and dragging him around?

 

 

[Cartman 0]

Does anyone else think Charlotte is Annie Ben's friend when he was little on the island?

 

So is Season 5 going to be like Weekend at Bernie's with Jack and Ben putting sunglasses on Locke's dead corpse and dragging him around?

 

I was wondering when someone would mention the Charlotte thing, that sounds about perfect to me.

[Matt Young 0]

Does anyone else think Charlotte is Annie Ben's friend when he was little on the island?

 

So is Season 5 going to be like Weekend at Bernie's with Jack and Ben putting sunglasses on Locke's dead corpse and dragging him around?

 

I thought she might be at first, but then I realized that she's at least 10 years younger than Ben, so no.

 

I also wondered about Faraday and crew. I'm guessing they were close enough to go with the island since Faraday is supposed to be back next season, and otherwise he'd be stranded in the middle of the ocean.

[Mik 0]

I read this thread on my cell phone before I went to bed last night and I thought I was going to have to come in here and straighten some people out but luckily NYU handled it for me.

 

Anyone who thinks Locke is dead as in dead isn't watching the same show that I watch. Did you honestly think not only Locke but Sawyer, Juliet and everyone on the island is just going to be forgotten. REALLY?

 

I can't wait to see how Locke messes up, how he gets off the island, how he goes to visit Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun, etc., how he really dies, if he's actually really dead. I mean, Locke was island leader for three whole years. You don't think we're going to see what happens there? Locke was obviously trying to convince them to get back to the island, same as Ben. But he only gets to Jack. But Ben is more of a manipulator and he'll get the job done.

 

Anyway - the star of last night's episode, to me, was Ben, as usual. Taunting John by shaking the flowers, "you killed my daughter", "so", "can I have my weapon back?", crying as he turned the wheel. Dude is a tour de force, I'm telling you.

 

It's going to be nuts that the O6 is probably going to be hunting down Desmond next season.

[Matt Young 0]

I'm wondering who all has to go back. The 6, obviously, and Locke... But I'd imagine Walt would, too, since he was on 815, and you mentioned Desmond.

 

I know we'll get all kinds of island stuff next season, but from all I've read, the ones who escaped won't return till Season 6. It's crazy that the show covered 3 months in seasons 1-3, 1 week in season 4 (save for the week on Penny's boat), and will have to cover at least 3 YEARS in the last 2 seasons. And I meant real-time, not flash forwards, as far as it covering the 3 months and 1 week.

 

The 6 and Desmond left the island on Day 100, December 30th, 2004. What I am wondering why Kate said she'd been dealing with what happened when they left the island for the past 3 years, when Locke died on April 4th, 2007. That's 2 years and a little less than 3 months after they returned to the U.S.

 

But all that aside... wow. This episode topped the season 3 finale as the best 2 hours of TV in history.

[Mik 0]

I still prefer last year's. Aside from the flashforward you also had all of the super awesome Charlie stuff and Hurley saving the day in Roger Workman's van.

 

I don't know... maybe I'll change my mind but I'd put this just behind last year, for now.

[Matt Young 0]

It's close, to be sure. Maybe my opinion will change to mirror yours upon repeated viewings. I've seen the S3 finale at least 7 times, and this season's only once.

 

I'm not sure if this is final, but here's a pic of the box art for the season 4 DVD set. It will be released on 12/9- that much has been confirmed.

 

[nl5xsk1 0]

Negative niskie in 3...2...1:

 

Last night's show did next-to-nothing for me. There were a few good scenes, but the bad outweighed the good and they really left me apathetic about, well, everything that's forthcoming.

 

The Desmond/Penny reunion, which I - like so many others - was looking forward to, seemed relatively anticlimactic. So does this mean that we won't see them again until Ben (presumably) goes to kill her to get revenge for Keamy killing his daughter? Because at this point, that's their only tie-in with the people still on the island & the O6.

 

Michael's dying was well received, as he's always been one of my least favorite characters. But it's infuriating that they spent so much of the first two seasons based on him & Walt (hey, remember when Walt had special powers and seemingly could make things happen with his mind?) and now his work for the island is done, so he's dead, even though there were other things that could have been done with that subplot. I'm just thrilled that they spent a full-season with him getting his boy back, just so it could be dropped almost immediately.

 

And underground wheel to move an island. Really? They couldn't have used pseudo-science & magnetism, something that could be explained with science that goes over my head? A fucking wheel moves the island in both space & time. <shakes head>

 

Next season is a season that's focusing on the Oceanic 6, right? (and, yes, I recognize that they'll probably still show the people on the island & whatnot) It looks like my Thursday nights just opened up a little, because I'm done with Lost. A season of them trying to get back to the island just doesn't interest me enough.

[dubq 0]

Yeah, but every interview with the creative staff has said that season 5 will be all about getting back to the island. They never once mentioned focusing on anything that happened in between.

 

IIRC - 4 is getting off the island. 5 is dealing with it. 6 is getting back.

 

That's not to say that Season 5 & 6 won't be showing what's going on ON the island with Locke & Friends while the O6 are trying to get back to it... It's pretty clear that John Locke is a very integral character to the show and they're not going to just wipe him from the main cast. That is, unless Mr. O'Quinn's gone and got himself a DUI.

[dubq 0]

And underground wheel to move an island. Really? They couldn't have used pseudo-science & magnetism, something that could be explained with science that goes over my head? A fucking wheel moves the island in both space & time. <shakes head>

 

To be fair I think it was a switch, and I don't think it was the switch that actually moved the island, but more or less enabled the moving of the island.. IE: A switch that probably controlled the flow of that electro-magnetic energy that makes the island so wacky. Ben opened it up all the way and whatever happened.. happened.

[Cartman 0]

And underground wheel to move an island. Really? They couldn't have used pseudo-science & magnetism, something that could be explained with science that goes over my head? A fucking wheel moves the island in both space & time. <shakes head>

 

To be fair I think it was a switch, and I don't think it was the switch that actually moved the island, but more or less enabled the moving of the island.. IE: A switch that probably controlled the flow of that electro-magnetic energy that makes the island so wacky. Ben opened it up all the way and whatever happened.. happened.

 

 

Also, part of this story is the whole Science vs. Faith thing so for crazy unrealistic shit like that to happen on the island isnt so silly.

[dubq 0]

Kate's crazy backwards phonecall played in reverse:

 

[Mik 0]

Youtube is blocked at my work. Can someone give the jist of it?

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Anybody who thinks Charlotte could be Annie is clearly ignoring the massive age gap between Charlotte and Ben. Charlotte is early 30's, tops. No way she's Annie.

[dubq 0]

"The Island needs you. You have to go back before it's too late."

 

..it's a whisper but it sounds like it could be Christian Sheppard.

[Cowboy Battlenuts 0]

I have no problem with the wheel, clearly the Island was inhabited by some kind of very intelligent people way before the Dharma initiative or the Black Rock crew found it. The hyroglyphics we've seen in Ben's little passage-ways, the four toed statue, some uber-advanced yet somewhat stone age people owned the Island before anyone. So personally I'd rather see stuff like that than some sort of overly advanced computer Ben has to hack or something.

 

Best Episode Ever. It was like 3 scoops of a what-the-fuck sandwich. I don't even wanna guess what's gonna happen in fear of being remotely right. The last few seasons have been easy to map out to an extent, but right now the finale's left me with the fresh sense of complete confusion, and it's awesome.

 

Oh and come on, people really getting upset about Locke being dead? Like somehow the writers would pick up a crack addiction while doing next season and just skip the entire story of what happens with him and the Others, or the entire backstory of why they wanted him? Locke and Jack, no matter what, have always remained the two central peices to this story. It's their experience that's guiding the show, and usually more so Locke than Jack, so that didn't worry me for a second. If anything it complicated the Locke story, which means more time spent on him next season.

 

I just can't get over how well they did that. Fucking awesome.

[Mik 0]

Two alternate endings were also shot with Sawyer and Desmond in the coffin. These were aired on Good Morning America on May 30, 2008.

 

If anyone can get a hold of these...put them here please.

[Damaramu 0]

I still feel like I did after every finale, more questions than answers. I hope I'm not sitting here like this after the season finale.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I have no problem with the wheel, clearly the Island was inhabited by some kind of very intelligent people way before the Dharma initiative or the Black Rock crew found it. The hyroglyphics we've seen in Ben's little passage-ways, the four toed statue, some uber-advanced yet somewhat stone age people owned the Island before anyone.

 

I think you're right - I've had a similar theory for a while, only I believe that the society was specifically Atlantis, and when they somehow originally unleashed the power of the island or whatever, that's what made Atlantis "sink" and destroyed much of their civilization (like the rest of that statue). I also think that some of the "immortal" others, like Richard, are direct descendants of the Atlanteans (or possibly Atlanteans themselves, if they are immortal) and that the special people they look for (like Walt or Locke) might have some of that bloodline themselves.

 

Anyway, even knowing that Locke will still most likely be a prevalent character in the show, it still saddens me greatly to know he winds up dead. I'm really hoping for some fucked-up time paradox or something to save him, or at least a super wicked-awesome explanation of his death.

[The Electrifyer 0]

Anybody who thinks Charlotte could be Annie is clearly ignoring the massive age gap between Charlotte and Ben. Charlotte is early 30's, tops. No way she's Annie.

 

Time gap? On the lost island? I believe this doesn't mean much, look how Walt aged. Annie, I mean Charlotte might be aging slower off the island than normal. And Miles did reveal that Charlotte was looking for where she was born, which I guess is some place on the island. But then that opens the can of worms which is that Juliette said babies and mothers die on the island during birth. Aaaaaaagh... so many questions!

 

I also wonder about the red shirts and Faraday. Did they make it back to the island? I think they must have. I don't like how they treat the red shirts. Sure, they're only there for the background, but they should acknowledge them sometimes, just to gives us an idea of how many people are still on the island. If there are no red shirts left, then Jack only wants to go back to the island to save Sawyer, Juliette and maybe Rose and Bernard? What about the red shirts damnit!

 

The two alternate endings are here: http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/05/season...te-endings.html

 

Not much... they are basically just new people in the coffin so spoiler hounds would reveal false information.

[The Electrifyer 0]

Also, I want to say it was pretty cool watching the Others + Kate and Sayid take out Keamy's crew. We saw the awesome silent ninja skills of the Others back and their weird weaponry. By that I mean the paralyzer dart, the rope you throw and wrap around people's legs and that guy who came out of the trees. Awesome to see The Other's teaming up with Kate and Sayid to take on a common enemy.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

The reason Walt looked older off the island is because he WAS older by 3 years at least. I can understand why it'd be cool to have Charlotte be Annie but I can't see it.

 

So I'm wondering how much Ben knows about the O6 and their cover story. I wonder if Sayid snitched that Desmond and Frank were with them and that's part of the reason that Ben wants them all together. Also, does Walt count in that group?

[Aero 0]

Locke being my favorite character, knowing that he dies is pretty disappointing in the long run, but we all know he'll still be a huge part of the show. Once he's reduced to ghost Locke, he has to be too important to only occasionally show up like Christian.

 

I can see Jin still being alive if he has more work to do for the island. I almost want to question Michael's death, too, if only because in Walt and Hurley's conversation, they both seemed to agree that he's still on the island. Although, it was Walt who suggested Michael still being there, Hurley might have just humored him by agreeing.

 

Mark out moments of last night:

 

- The Others taking out the mercenaries via mystical whispering ninja method.

- Sayid vs. Keamy

- Ben turning sort of evil again ("So?")

 

Having watched the first three seasons for the first time right before season 4 started, I've only had to endure week long breaks and that one 3-4 week break in the middle. Waiting until next year for more Lost will suck.

 

 

 

 

[Aero 0]

Here's something that I've been wondering about that I don't remembering us ever going over.

 

In the second episode this season, we learned about the fake plane being found underwater along with each and every passenger. Everyone was confirmed dead. Now that the Oceanic six have returned, what does the public now think about the fact that "everyone" was found dead with the rest of the plane wreckage?

[Cowboy Battlenuts 0]

^I believe on the news report they showed, they mentioned something about it being too deep or something to entirely confirm the amount of people and everyone's identity. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it was along those lines.

[slimm44 0]

alternate endings found on youtube. sorry i dont know how to embed.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DWWMYFAycmQ

 

[nl5xsk1 0]

^I believe on the news report they showed, they mentioned something about it being too deep or something to entirely confirm the amount of people and everyone's identity. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it was along those lines.

But didn't they already "confirm" that wreckage as being 815, even though they couldn't go in and ID the bodies?

 

Unless my memory is off (which it might be) the plane was pretty much intact when they found it on the bottom of the ocean; if that's the case, how would these 8 people have gotten out of the plane and ended up on the island?