Gallup Poll: Bush's 8 point lead is gone

[Justice 0]

Kerry won the debate.  That much should be clear by now.

To those who didn't watch it, or who watched it with the sound turned down, I suppose it is.

Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

Bwuahaha. I seriously want to see you debate Tom on the substance of both candidates.

 

Kerry is still down in the electoral college by a bunch. He has a lot of ground to make up, and now the expectations are on HIM in this next debate. Let's see how that works against him.

 

Oh, and by the way...

 

Even though Kerry 'won' the debates, people's opinions haven't changed too much.

[EricMM 0]

BTW, let me clarify, since Bush IS wrong, and Kerry IS right, Bush DID get schooled.

 

But, you know, being president is hard work!

[Guest MikeSC]

The national poll is meaningless.

 

Bush is still winning in Ohio, Florida and PA

As someone who actually lives in PA, I can safely say that Kerry has this place locked up.

Well, then I suppose all debate has been settled.

-=Mike

...What do pollsters know when compared to the all-knowing Cubby?

[bob_barron 0]

The national poll is meaningless.

 

Bush is still winning in Ohio, Florida and PA

As someone who actually lives in PA, I can safely say that Kerry has this place locked up.

Just because you and your buddies think OMG BUSH IS TEH SUCKORSX!~ doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

Bush has a very very very slight lead in PA.

 

 

Poll | Date Sample MoE Bush Kerry Nader Spread

RCP Average | 9/25-10/1 - - 46.7 46.0 1.5 Bush +0.7

Rasmussen | 9/25-10/1 578 LV 4.0 47 47 - TIE

Strategic Vision* | 9/27-9/29 801 LV 3.0 48 45 1 Bush +3

Mason-Dixon | 9/27-9/28 625 LV 4.0 44 45 2 Kerry +1

Gallup | 9/25-9/28 654 LV 4.0 49 46 1 Bush +3

[Guest MikeSC]

The national poll is meaningless.

 

Bush is still winning in Ohio, Florida and PA

As someone who actually lives in PA, I can safely say that Kerry has this place locked up.

Just because you and your buddies think OMG BUSH IS TEH SUCKORSX!~ doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

Bush has a very very very slight lead in PA.

 

I'd show you the polls but RCP seems to be down for me right now.

 

Poll | Date Sample MoE Bush Kerry Nader Spread

RCP Average | 9/25-10/1 - - 46.7 46.0 1.5 Bush +0.7

Rasmussen | 9/25-10/1 578 LV 4.0 47 47 - TIE

Strategic Vision* | 9/27-9/29 801 LV 3.0 48 45 1 Bush +3

Mason-Dixon | 9/27-9/28 625 LV 4.0 44 45 2 Kerry +1

Gallup | 9/25-9/28 654 LV 4.0 49 46 1 Bush +3

But, Cubby said otherwise.

-=Mike

[snuffbox 0]

Could you all please agree to stop doing the whole 'OMG SUXOR WHATEVR!!' shit? That has to be the stupidest thing Ive ever read.

[Justice 0]

Could you all please agree to stop doing the whole 'OMG SUXOR WHATEVR!!' shit? That has to be the stupidest thing Ive ever read.

THANK YOU.

 

I'm tired of all the "BUSH G0T SCH00L3|)" and "N0 KERRY SUX0RS" crap. There's things called serious discussion (Which is what happened in a chat I held after the debate) and extraneous crap posted by idiots. Please note the difference.

[Guest GreatOne]

Not even if you use it in mockery?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

no homo

[Guest GreatOne]

no homo

Can I use this next time one of you guys chastises me for an ill-thought out, logic-lacking response?

[treble 0]

no homo

Can I use this next time one of you guys chastises me for an ill-thought out, logic-lacking response?

no homo

[Special K 0]

Can we have a thread w/o the flaming for once? I think Bush and Kerry tied in actual substance, but it's made clear that Bush's faltering, angry physical and verbal stance hurt him.

[Special K 0]

Can we have a thread w/o the flaming for once? I think Bush and Kerry tied in actual substance, but it's made clear that Bush's faltering, angry physical and verbal stance hurt him.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

No -- that's what make the threads worth reading...

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

No -- that's what make the threads worth reading...

[Guest GreatOne]

The 'Hippies/Kerry fanboys vs KKKonservatives/Mike's Republikids' is better than anything currently on RAW, in entertainment value anyway.........................

[NoCalMike 0]

The 'Hippies/Kerry fanboys vs KKKonservatives/Mike's Republikids' is better than anything currently on RAW, in entertainment value anyway.........................

you guys are still watching Raw?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Ha, I saw some hippie Raw recap show and I didn't even know any of the people on the air, except for Booker T (I think), and I thought he retired.

 

And it's not KKKonservatives -- we're the Conservative Brigade, and Mike's Republikids is a sub-division of it. The Conservative Brigade is like Halliburton in terms of everything on our side of the political spectrum is just a subdivision of our mighty group...

[Guest GreatOne]

I actually knew that I was just shortening it for convenience

[Dr. Tom 0]

Kerry won the debate.  That much should be clear by now.

To those who didn't watch it, or who watched it with the sound turned down, I suppose it is.

Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

Then deny some of this, brighteyes:

 

-Kerry wants to give nuclear fuel to one of the largest terrorist nations on earth.

-Clinton's plan to do the same with North Korea has turned out SMASHINGLY so far.

-Kerry is beholden to the opinions of cowards in Europe.

-Kerry has spent time insulting our allies and calling the PM of Iraq a "puppet," yet claims to be able to build alliances.

-Kerry claimed that nuclear proliferation is his biggest concern. He then talked about giving the technology to make nuclear weapons to Iran, and talked about taking away our biggest deterrent: the "bunker-buster."

-"Passing the global test" is Kerry's plan to act in the interest of keeping the American people safe.

 

Content-wise, the debate was a DISASTER for Kerry, and a goldmine for the GOP to use in future commercials. If Kerry did so well, why was the DNC's video a collection of Bush's facial expressions that included *not one word said by Candidate Kerry*? Kerry might have spoken better and looked better, but that's only going to impress shallow people who are easily swayed. He dug his own grave just about every time he opened his mouth, with preposterous positions on national security and foreign policy that will make us a less secure nation.

 

Go ahead, deny any of that.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Kerry might have spoken better and looked better, but that's only going to impress shallow people who are easily swayed.

 

90% of the American public?

 

-Kerry wants to give nuclear fuel to one of the largest terrorist nations on earth.

 

This was bad, and I hope he has the chance to define that plan a little better. for now it is a knock against him.

 

The only other problem with his content was equating Bush's tax cuts w/ lack of homeland security. That just didn't make sense. Once again, given the chance, he could perhaps explain himself better, but in the debate, it was a minus.

 

Everything else content wise was really good, compared to Bush, who let's face it, just didn't bring much content at all. And now, it looks like we all agree that Kerry's presentation was better.

[Guest GreatOne]

Everything else content wise was really good, compared to Bush, who let's face it, just didn't bring much content at all.

Think about the ridiculousness of that statement.

 

It's like saying Kerry's always been strong and unyielding on Iraq...........................

[Dr. Tom 0]

Kerry might have spoken better and looked better, but that's only going to impress shallow people who are easily swayed.

 

90% of the American public?

70% how you look

20% how you sound

10% what you say

 

That's what most people respond to. So I guess it's reasonably accurate to say that 90% of the American public is shallow and easily awayed.

 

I hope he has the chance to define that plan a little better

More definition won't help. This is a rehash of Clinton's brilliant plan to give nuclear fuel to North Korea, since there was No Possible Way a fucking lunatic would ever use nuclear fuel to make bombs. Just like there's No Possible Way a fucking radical terrorist regime would every use nuclear fuel to make bombs, right?

 

The only other problem with his content was equating Bush's tax cuts w/ lack of homeland security.

No, there were a bunch more problems, but I've already pointed them out.

 

And now, it looks like we all agree that Kerry's presentation was better.

For what little it's worth, yes.

[Justice 0]

This was bad, and I hope he has the chance to define that plan a little better. for now it is a knock against him.

Do you want him to give you exact amounts or something...?

 

Everything else content wise was really good, compared to Bush, who let's face it, just didn't bring much content at all. And now, it looks like we all agree that Kerry's presentation was better.

 

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Did you read ANYTHING that Tom just wrote? I mean, seriously, Bush brought better content sadly enough. Kerry brought "And if you want to know more, go to JohnKerry.com! *Wink*"

 

This is seriously sad.

[cabbageboy 0]

Right now I'm not terribly worried about the electoral college. I mean if Kerry ends up winning the popular vote by 2-3% or so I can't imagine him not winning the electoral. It'd take a screwjob bigger than 2000 for that to happen.

 

I find it amusing some of the polls produced to show Bush ahead in PA. This isn't to say Bush doesn't have 47% or so, since I think he does...it's just he's not going to get much more than that. Bush has leads like 47-44 in a lot of states, but here's the thing: That's roughly what he's going to get. And the last I checked getting 47% in a state won't win the state (unless there's a strong 3rd party candidate). For Bush to win PA he'd have to suddenly gain 3%...may I ask from where?

 

Is it now confirmed that Gallup used a more feasible sample this time? Anyone know for sure? Anyone care? One other thing, what precisely is the difference between a registered voter and a likely voter? I keep hearing that not all registered voters are likely voters, but honestly, if you were registered and actually took the time to talk to a pollster about the election, that kinda makes you a likely voter.

 

About the debate, actual content doesn't really matter in these things. What people remember are things like style, smoothness, does the guy fumble over his words, etc. Sure, Kerry talking about nuclear shit baffled the hell out of most people, but at least he seemed like he knew what he was talking about...as opposed to Bush who didn't know Saddam from Bin Laden.

 

The "field questions from crowd" debate is mainly a placeholder, the only thing there will be for Kerry to try and come off as more amiable to the audience. The economy/domestic issues debate is the biggie though. I have no idea how Bush can win this debate. Once Kerry starts in with stuff like record deficits, net loss of 1 million jobs since 2000, etc. then Bush is going to freak.

[Guest GreatOne]

Right now I'm not terribly worried about the electoral college.  I mean if Kerry ends up winning the popular vote by 2-3% or so I can't imagine him not winning the electoral.  It'd take a screwjob bigger than 2000 for that to happen.

 

I find it amusing some of the polls produced to show Bush ahead in PA.  This isn't to say Bush doesn't have 47% or so, since I think he does...it's just he's not going to get much more than that.  Bush has leads like 47-44 in a lot of states, but here's the thing:  That's roughly what he's going to get.  And the last I checked getting 47% in a state won't win the state

OK then is Kerry just going to MAGICALLY make up that 6%?

 

About the debate, actual content doesn't really matter in these things.

 

And attendance isn't mandatory in college either, but it sorta helps, and should Kerry win, that nasty 'content''ll be kind of important once he gets in office.

 

What people remember are things like style, smoothness, does the guy fumble over his words, etc.

 

Well Clinton was big on style and rarely fumbled words, that contributed to the 'greatness' of his presidency how?

 

but at least he seemed like he knew what he was talking about...as opposed to Bush who didn't know Saddam from Bin Laden.

 

Of course Kerry did make similar mistakes as well................

 

Once Kerry starts in with stuff like record deficits, net loss of 1 million jobs since 2000, etc. then Bush is going to freak.

 

And Kerry's going to have to do what he couldn't at the debate, like have a PLAN for getting us out of it.......................