JBL's Push - Pathetic

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Judgment Day 04 - JBL victorious by DQ.

Great American Bash 04 - JBL victorious by touching four corners.

Smackdown! Cage Match - JBL victorious via Angle interference, escapes

SummerSlam 04 - JBL victorious by DQ

Smackdown! Title Defense Vs. Taker - Orlando Jordan substitutes. Loses via DQ.

No Mercy 04 - Win via stuffing Taker in hearse.

 

My point is, even in JBL's predictable "screwjob" victories...the guy can't even get a PINFALL victory.

 

THIS is what a "Honky Tonk Man" reign is. Not Jericho's undisputed title reign. Not Angle's 00-01 title reign. Not Christian's IC title reign. THIS is absurd.

 

Absolutely pathetic and horrible treatment for a character that is actually quite believable and a natural to hate. And JBL's been getting better, too, which is a shame.

[Guest Big Daddy V1]

And JBL's been getting better, too, which is a shame.

Ummm, are you sure on this one? Maybe it's because of who he's been wrestling, but that's all I can think of for that.

 

I would like to see a Honky Tonk Man style run with a title, but he's got to prove he can win first with pinfalls or submission, much like Randy Orton did, holding the IC title for 7 months (I wanted him to break HTM's record)

[Guest curry_man2002]

How is this pathetic i didnt even realise that he hadnt won a major match by pinfall until reading this topic. so really that just shows how important a pinfall victory is in a major push does'nt it

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I agree that his run is less than stellar, but I honestly think this is what the WWE is going for on this one. He is being built up as a champion who NEVER wins clean or he'll win in a "screwjob". Thus, making him a bigger heel in the process. But, if they give him the belt after this run then he'll start getting the clean wins...........

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Maybe you have ADD.

[SamoaRowe 0]

Perhaps WWE just wants to keep JBL over as a HEEL!?! So what, I think the use of JBL since winning the belt has been just fine.

[AndrewTS 0]

JBL's push is fine...for a midcarder. If he was holding the US title right now I don't think anyone would mind.

 

However, even JBL haters grudgingly admit his push is somewhat lacking for a guy who supposedly holds the top title in the company.

 

Also--AUUUUGH to curry man's sig. Although it indicates I have a bigger package than Trips, at least.

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He's a great chicken shit heel, IMO.

[Downhome 0]

I've enjoyed Bradshaw and the matches/feuds he's been involved with a lot more than anything having to do with the world title on RAW, since the PPV after WM, if I remember correctly.

 

Sure, Bradshaw hasn't pinned anyone in an important match yet...but no one has pinned him period as of yet.

 

I think he is playing the part of the cocky and cowardly heel much better than anyone else has in years, many years. I love his interviews, usually, I love his movements in his interviews, and everything else about the character. To me, it's just about perfect. When, if, he finally pins a face in a major match, it'll mean quite a lot to him.

 

I know I'm in the minority here, but I've also enjoyed all of his matches since JBL came to be. He's done a fantastic job of pulling off heelish brawls and the such, and his matches have been very entertaining to me.

 

Sadly, I can see The Big Show ending JBL's run very soon.

[SamoaRowe 0]

Sadly, I can see The Big Show ending JBL's run very soon.

 

I've come to like Big Show a lot over the past year and a half, but that doesn't mean I want him to be WWE Champion ever again.

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But they're doing DiBiase with the character....rich guy, with servant/aid, who relies on others to do his dirty work...

 

DiBiase was more over than JBL is, however, because he had the ability to win matches himself.

[Zack Malibu 0]

DiBiase was also a hell of a wrestler, a hell of a talker, and the Million Dollar Man gimmick fit in perfectly with the "greed is good" mentality of many people during the time period.

 

JBL did get a win over Mysterio cleanly, did he not? That's what I'd call a major match. Not like he fought Rico or something.

 

And Honky was over as a heel because he was loathed and people wanted to see his ass kicked. The crowd is more apathetic than anything to JBL because no one thinks he should be champion PERIOD.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Agreed.

 

Here's the thing. Belt's on JBL. Sooner or later it won't be. You're wasting all this time...what PURPOSE does it serve? When JBL *isn't* champ, what reasons will wrestlers have to go after him? None. Because he has no CREDIBILITY and he doesn't BEAT PEOPLE. That's what the title should be doing right now, if they're going to bother putting it on him: Making him a main eventer for life.

 

Mysterio a "big match" ? I almost agreed with you, until I remembered Mysterio has been dominated in matches of late by SPIKE DUDLEY.

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I wish they could create a gimmick like Honky where people loathed the character again.

 

Not Orton where he was rammed down your throat and beat everyone.

Not JBL where he's a shitty worker but still a normal guy.

 

Like, some ridiculous character...

 

Carlito Carribean Cool likely won't be that guy, we'll see how he comes off, though.

 

Anyone got any suggestions?

[Zack Malibu 0]

Agreed.

 

Here's the thing. Belt's on JBL. Sooner or later it won't be. You're wasting all this time...what PURPOSE does it serve? When JBL *isn't* champ, what reasons will wrestlers have to go after him? None. Because he has no CREDIBILITY and he doesn't BEAT PEOPLE. That's what the title should be doing right now, if they're going to bother putting it on him: Making him a main eventer for life.

 

Mysterio a "big match" ? I almost agreed with you, until I remembered Mysterio has been dominated in matches of late by SPIKE DUDLEY.

But with Spike, at least they're trying something new that seems to be working. It has completely freshened up a dead character, and it's been given a good twist where instead of him being a lackey to his brothers, he's the Boss of the group. He's a little shit stirrer who uses his brothers as muscle. Spike's one of the few characters on SD! I've enjoyed.

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I'm just saying Rey's choking at various events on the cruiserweight level (No Way Out, WM, various Smackdowns Vs. Spike) keeps him far from what is defined as a LEGITIMATE big time match for JBL.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I wouldn't be that surprised since they basically gave Eddie nothing either. Remember Eddie didn't even get a win during his feud with JBL.

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The JBL push is pathetic for many reasons...least of which is a lack of clean wins...

 

Not that I really care or anything.

[Promoter 0]

I think the two most glaring things I've picked up from this thread which really is the bottom line to this JBL championship push is this.....it's a waste of time because he is not getting any credibility and it would have been much better if he was US champion for multiple reasons. I'm sure someone in the company wants to tell Vince Mcmahon this, but they don't want to hear those infamous words "YOU'RE FIRED". Stubborn. Yep, there's that word again.

 

With that said I don't think the guy should lose the belt anytime soon because it will just make the title even more of a joke. The problem is the world is not ready to say the least for this guy being a main eventer much less the friggin champion. I know they are most likely going for the chickenshit heel and that is why he has not pinned anyone, but in this instance I think it's not helping the belt or JBL or anyone watching for that matter. Look at it this way. Honky Tonk Man being WWF Champion instead of IC champion in 1987 and 1988. Yeah, I thought so. It takes a different perspective once it's at that level.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Agreed.

 

Here's the thing.  Belt's on JBL.  Sooner or later it won't be.  You're wasting all this time...what PURPOSE does it serve?  When JBL *isn't* champ, what reasons will wrestlers have to go after him?  None.  Because he has no CREDIBILITY and he doesn't BEAT PEOPLE.  That's what the title should be doing right now, if they're going to bother putting it on him:  Making him a main eventer for life.

 

Mysterio a "big match" ?  I almost agreed with you, until I remembered Mysterio has been dominated in matches of late by SPIKE DUDLEY.

But with Spike, at least they're trying something new that seems to be working. It has completely freshened up a dead character, and it's been given a good twist where instead of him being a lackey to his brothers, he's the Boss of the group. He's a little shit stirrer who uses his brothers as muscle. Spike's one of the few characters on SD! I've enjoyed.

Here's my problem w/ the new Spike Dudley. Why is he the boss? Because he says so? I mean what's stopping the Dudleys at any minute, to say fuck this, and beat the shit out of Spike?

 

BUT anyways, back on topic, JBL does have a pinfall victory over . . . El Gran Luchador . . . The CHAMPION of Mexico, senors y senoritas.

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Look at it this way. Honky Tonk Man being WWF Champion instead of IC champion in 1987 and 1988. Yeah, I thought so. It takes a different perspective once it's at that level.

It'd still have drawn.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

I agree with the thinking that JBL as he is being booked would be the ideal US champ.

 

However, I dont dislike what they've done with him. He plays the vulnerable heel, but as Downhome pointed out, nobody has manged to pin him either, so that in itself makes him somehwat credible. Especially as his run gets longer and longer. In theory, when that face finally does get over on him, it should be a big deal because fans will be like "finally he lost".

 

As far as where they go with him after he drops the title. Well he will be a former world champion, so that should be sufficient to keep him in the upper echelon mix. I'd like to see them put the US title on him soon after he drops the WWE title, but now with CCC as champ, I dont want to see them take it off him.

 

I would bet JBL starts to get some wins just before he's about to drop the title. Thats sensible booking because it makes him really strong, and then when he drops the title he can always fall back on the wins he got prior to dropping. This isn't a major win, but I really expect JBL to beat Holly this week without any help. Also, Tazz was trying to build him up just for wrestling a few days after the brutal match with Taker. Of course, he did run away, but at least he showed up!

[Guest Gary Busey]

I can't remember the details off hand, but didn't he defend the title against Eddy in a cage match on Smackdown? During the match, didn't he kick out of a Frogsplash from the top of the cage and pin Eddie clean?

 

I never thought about it, but JBL would be a much better midcard act.

[Guest PlatinumBoy]

I can't remember the details off hand, but didn't he defend the title against Eddy in a cage match on Smackdown? During the match, didn't he kick out of a Frogsplash from the top of the cage and pin Eddie clean?

 

I never thought about it, but JBL would be a much better midcard act.

It wasn't clean--Angle made his "return" and helped beat Eddie.

[AndrewTS 0]

Has WWE mentioned Eddy it all lately? That accident he supposedly had was just a minor one, right? Is the match with Horshu cancelled (or was that at No Mercy already)?

 

What's up with all that?

[algrim 0]

Has WWE mentioned Eddy it all lately? That accident he supposedly had was just a minor one, right? Is the match with Horshu cancelled (or was that at No Mercy already)?

 

It happened a week ago at No Mercy. Eddie beat Luther by hitting him with an extendable baton when the ref wasn't looking. He then went for the Frog Splash.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

All I know about JBL is that I had a weird dream where, on the TV in my dreams that I was watching, he was in a stable with Orlando Jordan, Ted DiBiase, IRS, Virgil, Sherri, and Jimmy Hart.

 

...noodle THAT for a while.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

It doesn't help that he has played the #2 heel behind Angle since June either. He was treated better before he won the belt.

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***QUOTE: Has WWE mentioned Eddy it all lately? That accident he supposedly had was just a minor one, right? Is the match with Horshu cancelled (or was that at No Mercy already)?

What's up with all that?***

 

Ignore everyone else and listen to this:

 

Eddie and Luther Reigns (Horshu) had a ONE STAR match at WWE No Mercy in October.

 

The match was AWFUL. One of the worst Eddie Guerrero matches in recent memory. WORSE than the Reigns/Guerrero match that aired on Smackdown! earlier. Terrible. Reigns, who has been praised as "decent for the new hoss on the block", was absolutely AWFUL during the bout, looking lost, blowing spots, and dragging Eddie *WAY* down.

 

In short...FUCK WWE for dragging Eddie's matches down by booking him with Angle's new "stable" and causing him to drag Luther Reigns to 1-star matches and make Mark Jindrak, who fucking sucks big cock in his attempted fourth-rate Orton role, look quarter-way decent.

 

More the reason why Smackdown! is a fucking joke this month, after almost...ALMOST, making it to .500.