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Guest MikeSC
if their show is entertainment, why didnt they take advantage of the million times Stewart defended his show as such by saying "Yeah, well so is ours."

Likely, they were stunned at how much of a prick Stewart was being.

They didn't because they'd love to claim that they actually ask real questions to get real newsworthy quotes.  The fact that they dont is the only funny thing  about your so called entertainment show.

I love that you assume I watch "Crossfire". I don't. I don't LIKE those debate shows. Never did.

 

But Stewart is evry inch as bad.

-=Mike

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I didn't assume shit.

 

I've seen exactly as much crossfire as was on that clip.

 

I'm not defending the show. You are.

 

You're the one assuming reasons for their responses. You're the one claiming things about their show, a show you've never seen.

 

I get the feeling you don't like Stewart, and are taking every opportunity to diss him. I just don't undrstand why. It's not like he's actually deserving of your disgust. I know THAT much. Is it because he likes Kerry far more than Bush?

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Guest MikeSC
I didn't assume shit.

 

I've seen exactly as much crossfire as was on that clip.

 

I'm not defending the show. You are.

 

You're the one assuming reasons for their responses. You're the one claiming things about their show, a show you've never seen.

I'm saying the show is simply an entertainment show. That is all. Stewart is bitching about an entertainment show, claiming it is "hurting America", a diatribe high schoolers would be ashamed to state.

I get the feeling you don't like Stewart, and are taking every opportunity to diss him.  I just don't undrstand why.  It's not like he's actually deserving of your disgust.  I know THAT much.  Is it because he likes Kerry far more than Bush?

Actually, I liked Stewart's show a lot until recently. I do not care that he supports Kerry over Bush --- that is expected (and anybody who takes a comedian's views seriously deserves to be led around by idiots) --- it's just that the comedy is seldom delivered by him.

 

Hell, it's seldom delivered period.

 

Lewis Black has not had a funny rant in months now. Stewart was never the funniest guy on the show and that is only getting progressively worse.

 

Without Colbert, that show is less funny than MAD TV.

-=Mike

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Guest GreatOne

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Are you as OUTRAGED at the lack of news on so-called political debate shows as I am?

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Uh, so that's what a response that isn't JON STEWART R00LZ DUDER! is to you?

Yep...thats what everyone who enjoyed Stewart's comments said, 'JON RULZ DOODZ' ;)

 

Another shot of brilliance from greatone, the independant-minded TSM poster.

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I didn't assume shit.

 

I've seen exactly as much crossfire as was on that clip.

 

I'm not defending the show.  You are.

 

You're the one assuming reasons for their responses. You're the one claiming things about their show, a show you've never seen.

I'm saying the show is simply an entertainment show. That is all. Stewart is bitching about an entertainment show, claiming it is "hurting America", a diatribe high schoolers would be ashamed to state.

I get the feeling you don't like Stewart, and are taking every opportunity to diss him.  I just don't undrstand why.  It's not like he's actually deserving of your disgust.  I know THAT much.  Is it because he likes Kerry far more than Bush?

Actually, I liked Stewart's show a lot until recently. I do not care that he supports Kerry over Bush --- that is expected (and anybody who takes a comedian's views seriously deserves to be led around by idiots) --- it's just that the comedy is seldom delivered by him.

 

Hell, it's seldom delivered period.

 

Lewis Black has not had a funny rant in months now. Stewart was never the funniest guy on the show and that is only getting progressively worse.

 

Without Colbert, that show is less funny than MAD TV.

-=Mike

Mike, some people actually get their news from shows like Crossfire, Hannity/Colmes, etc...and thats pretty sad...

 

Just as sad is that some people get their news from Daily Show, Leno, etc.

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Guest MikeSC
Mike, some people actually get their news from shows like Crossfire, Hannity/Colmes, etc...and thats pretty sad...

 

Just as sad is that some people get their news from Daily Show, Leno, etc.

Yes, it is quite sad.

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Stewart really deserves more of a mainstream voice in American politics.

I agree with that because I think he has a lot of common sense, but I think he is having too much fun doing what he's doing now to take a more serious turn towards any mainstream avenues.

I'll actually go with a Bush line. A plan is more than a list of complaints.

 

Stewart can feel free to criticize all day long. I have NO reason to believe that he'd be ANY different.

-=Mike

That doesn't mean that his criticizing the media for turning into political theater instead of real debate isn't right on point.

Yes, but he's very much on the verge of taking himself too seriously and buying his positive press that he'll become more unbearable than O'Reilly.

-=Mike

I'd actually say he compares more to Howard Stern.

 

Oh, and if anyone wants visual proof that Crossfire is entertainment and not news, just compare how Bob Novak acts on Crossfire compared to Capital Gang. On the later one he's a right-wing conservative who debates the issues and delivers his opinions intelligently, on the former he's a right-wing conservative who rants and rages against liberals and gets into shouting matches with his co-hosts and guests.

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Watching this clip for the first time, I just have to say:

 

Tucker Carlson's gradual professional breakdown throughout the Jon Stewart interview was absolutely priceless.

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Guest MikeSC
Watching Carlson fake laugh at everything like he was toughing his way through it was classic. What a sham.

It'd be highly unprofessional to insult a guest.

 

Especially one desperately striving for legitimacy in the mainstream press.

 

Tucker treated him like a raving loon. Good for Carlson.

-=Mike

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Hmm, what should I do? Side with the mob and go "Stewart iz my HERO" or side with the one or two party poopers saying otherwise?

 

Well, I read the transcript, then got bored and started just scanning over it. There's a reason I don't watch Crossfire or the Daily Show, and that transcript just gave me more reason why. The only person I really want to beat down is the schmuck who said.

 

MikeSC/Greatone, don't you see that you're kind of in the minority here?

 

Well, you're always in the minority when babbling on about your hippie schemes to save this planet by driving solar-powered bikes, don't you see that?

 

Everyone continue your fighting on this subject...

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Guest MikeSC
Oh come on, Tucker was going to ambush him by asking him why his comedy/entertainment show isn't being though on guests like Tim Russert is, when there's a league of difference between the Daily Show and Meet The Press.

Actually, good money says Tucker would have simply tossed out straight lines for Stewart to play off. Seeing as how he was doing that and all. When Stewart was obviously going to be a total dick, he decided to simply treat him like a psychopath.

-=Mike

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Question for everyone.

 

Do you think it is wrong for talk show guests and hosts to submarine each other? I remember Rosie O'Donnel throwing Tom Selleck off guard on her show years ago and giving him the third degree about him being in the NRA and whatnot when he was out on her show to promote a movie. Pretty much the same thing with Stewart except he was the guest. Is is wrong to go on a show under false pretenses thinking you are going on for one thing, but then coming under attack?

 

Just trying to take this thread to another level in the same vein is all.

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Guest Agent of Oblivion

I think it's great. I'd much rather see mean-spirited attacks than a movie shill that's going to have dozens of commercials anyway. Bravo to Stewart for picking a fight on TV.

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Guest MikeSC
Question for everyone.

 

Do you think it is wrong for talk show guests and hosts to submarine each other? I remember Rosie O'Donnel throwing Tom Selleck off guard on her show years ago and giving him the third degree about him being in the NRA and whatnot when he was out on her show to promote a movie. Pretty much the same thing with Stewart except he was the guest. Is is wrong to go on a show under false pretenses thinking you are going on for one thing, but then coming under attack?

 

Just trying to take this thread to another level in the same vein is all.

I think it's horribly unprofessional, but my ability to care about any show getting shafted by a guest is limited.

 

It does, though, effectively kill their chances to be invited BACK on TV.

-=Mike

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If, Mike, if Stewarts claims were valid, you still would deem it unprofessional to actually debate on a debate show?

 

And you may say that his techniques of calling a guy a dick is "unprofessional" but you aren't one to talk about respecting anyone else's anything.

 

I know this isn't a cable news show, just a message board, but a argument is an argument, no matter what the forum.

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Crossfire's a debate show and Jon Stewart was debating them- and it was funny.

 

Rosie O'Donnell and Tom Selleck was just wrong. She totally attacked and blindsided him and wouldn't let him say anything in his defence. Her show is a chat show

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Guest MikeSC
If, Mike, if Stewarts claims were valid, you still would deem it unprofessional to actually debate on a debate show?

 

And you may say that his techniques of calling a guy a dick is "unprofessional" but you aren't one to talk about respecting anyone else's anything.

 

I know this isn't a cable news show, just a message board, but a argument is an argument, no matter what the forum.

Wow, that was some fine pissing and moaning there.

-=Mike

...Nope, I don't respect your opinion. Deal with it...

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Guest macheteofodin

It should be noted that Stewart called Carlson a "dick" AFTER he was called Kerry's "BUTT-Boy" by Carlson moments earler. Any less unprofessional? Probably not...but I can fully understand why Stewart called him a dick. Especially since Carlson essentially called him a "fag" on live television.

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Guest MikeSC
It should be noted that Stewart called Carlson a "dick" AFTER he was called Kerry's "BUTT-Boy" by Carlson moments earler. Any less unprofessional? Probably not...but I can fully understand why Stewart called him a dick. Especially since Carlson essentially called him a "fag" on live television.

I'm not defending Tucker, who I find to be a person in desperate need of a nice bitch-slapping.

 

It's just that their argument is similar to hearing New Yorkers and Philly people arguing about which group is more ridiculously obnoxious. Both are equally obnoxious.

-=Mike

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It's just that their argument is similar to hearing New Yorkers and Philly people arguing about which group is more ridiculously obnoxious. Both are equally obnoxious.

Or at least their sports fans are. :)

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Regarding Rosie's blindside attack, if Tom would have done anything even remotely resembling that bitch's tactics, Big Media, the feminazis and other hippie groups would have been all over him for attacking a helpless woman...

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Guest MikeSC
Regarding Rosie's blindside attack, if Tom would have done anything even remotely resembling that bitch's tactics, Big Media, the feminazis and other hippie groups would have been all over him for attacking a helpless woman...

Rosie's a woman?

-=Mike

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