Angelus 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 ok... i don't see any other thread WWE Smackdown/Velocity Spoilers From Omaha, NE EXCLUSIVE RESULTS BY Chris Pankonin These Spoilers are EXCLUSIVE to Inside Pulse. Anyone using these MUST credit Chris Pankonin & InsidePulse.com Velocity Taping/Dark Matches -Funaki & Luther Reigns won dark matches over local talent. -Carlito Caribbean Cool def. Shannon Moore -Hardcore Holly def. Doug Basham -Rob Van Dam def. Rene Dupree. Notes: Kenzo, Fifi, and Hiroko were kicked out two minutes into the match. RVD won it with the five star. Smackdown Taping -Show opened with the Tough Enough contestants entering the arena led by Al Snow. They went into the locker room, where Big Show promptly kicked them out for having not paid their dues - including shoving one of the smaller guys into a locker. Al made them leave their bags in the hallway and head to the ring. -In the ring, the contestants were assigned their first test: Cut a promo on the Big Show with only 20 seconds of time each. Most cut pretty vanilla promos, with Mike "The Miz" Mizanin of Real World fame getting the best reaction - a mixed one - while all the others were pretty much booed. To Mizanin's credit - there were a few "Miz" signs in the crowd. -Next test: Take a body slam from The Big Show. Several of the guys completely no sold the body slam,immediately jumping right up. This was a BODY SLAM from the BIG SHOW, and they absolutely no sold even a bounce in the middle of the ring. You could actually see a producer or someone call Al Snow over and tell him something in a panic, the final few guys actually took extra shots from Show so that they'd make some effort to sell. Probably a 20 minute segment in all. -Chavo Guerrero def. Nunzio Apparently the FBI is heel again. Kidman came out for commentary, tried to shooting star Chavo but missed, and Chavo quickly put away Nunzio for the win with plenty of time to stare down Kidman who glared back from the stage area. -Backstage Heidenreich talked on his phone to Heyman about how much he wanted his match with The Undertaker. Pretty brief segment and this was all we saw in the arena. If I remember right last week Long gave Heyman one week, so more of this segment could be edited in to the final show. -Carlito Caribbean Cool was interviewed backstage by Josh Matthews. Carlito has a new bodyguard who wears long yellow overalls - couldn't understand his name - but the bodyguard bullied Matthews around a bit. Josh eventually asked Carlito about the Cena Nightclub incident, and Carlito responded by having bodyguard hold him while he spit apple in his face. -Rey Mysterio def. Kurt Angle Pretty solid match as you'd expect from these two. As you'd expect, plenty of outside interference from Jindrak & Reigns until RVD came out and made the save. Angle tried to cheat to beat Mysterio but in came Eddie Guerrero to hit the frog splash on Angle and rolled Mysterio over in time for the ref to count the pin. -Backstage Teddy Long ordered a Survivor Series elimination match between Team Guerrero and Team Angle. Each team captain had to pick one additional team member so that it would be a "traditional" Survivor Series elmination match. -JBL & Orlando Jordan interview is quickly interrupted by Booker T, Long intervenes and what results is a match between Booker T and Orlando Jordan tonight. If Booker wins, he gets JBL for the WWE title at Survivor Series. -Halloween Costume Contest is a no decision between Dawn Marie and Torrie Wilson. Dawn is dressed as a nurse and starts giving shout outs to Charlie Haas. Enter Miss Jackie who then removes said nurses outfit in a good old fashioned cat fight. -Pre-Taped Tough Enough stuff. John Meyer the marine quit after one day at Trax because he couldn't handle the constant pain on his body. -Eddie & Big Show have a backstage segment which ends with Big Show officially joining Eddie's team for Survivor Series. -The Dudleys have a confrontation with Kurt Angle, Jindrak, and Reigns. Spike says he wants a Dudley on Angle's Survivor Series team. Angle says if they can eliminate the Big Show, there would be a spot on his team for one of them. Spike accepts the offer, but Bubba and D-Von question Spike's decision and act all nervous. -Booker T def. Orlando Jordan Pretty average match. End saw JBL attempt to interfere but ends up getting knocked down as O.J. runs right into a Booker T sidekick for the clean pin. JBL panics in the ring to end the taped portion of the show. After the show JBL makes fun of the Husker Football team, then points out that since JBL has been champion there have been "No Terrorist Attacks In This Country" and on November 2nd to vote JBL. Other Notes -Really sad attendance for a SD taping. Raw was live at the same arena in February and was nearly sold out. The entire upper bowl was tarped off, and the non-tv side (the entire south side of the arena) all of the actual seats were tarped off except for the first 6 or 7 rows. The main floor was completely sold out but still it'd be a generous estimate of a crowd of 6,000 in a 15,000 seat arena. -The commercial breaks seemed a LOT longer than usual which could attribute to more yet to be taped stuff of Heyman searching for Undertaker. It really killed any momentum. The Chavo/Nunzio match was DEAD SILENT to the point it was almost creepy and you could even hear the lights buzzing. -Six year old kids screaming profanities for nearly 3 hours disturbs me, it really does. -The Tough Enough thing is basically the Diva search with dudes. -I'd to the traditional pops/heat, but honestly with no John Cena and a newly turned Booker, no Undertaker, and no set entrance for Eddie Guerrero (a run-in) there really wasn't an overwhelming crowd favorite. The loudest pops were actually during the WWE Desire (Lonely Road of Faith) video that had shots of Hogan, Rock, and Austin. Overall a pretty average show, not much wrestling content, but it could come off better actually watching it on TV instead of on a screen in an arena. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Tough Enough stuff sounds like an abortion. Angle vs. Rey is cool. Team Angle vs. Team Guerrerro and Booker vs. JBL at Survivor Series as expected. Should be okay matches. How many times has RVD beaten Rene Dupree now? Wow. Good to see they know Dawn and Torrie's roles on Smackdown. Wow are they useless. I like how the FBI go face and then heel with no explanation or anything. Eh, fuck it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Oh, and apparently CCC's thug buddy is named "Jesus" and since WWE just trademarked the name "Jesus Aguilera" I'm guessing it's Aaron Aguilera from UPW AKA the Hardkore Kidd on the west coast: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Yay, Hardkore Kidd debuts! I hope he gets a decent shot this time... can't say I see the name Jesus working for him though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Yay, Hardkore Kidd debuts! I hope he gets a decent shot this time... can't say the name Jesus works for him though. What's wrong with Hay-Seuss? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 -Next test: Take a body slam from The Big Show. Several of the guys completely no sold the body slam,immediately jumping right up. This was a BODY SLAM from the BIG SHOW, and they absolutely no sold even a bounce in the middle of the ring. You could actually see a producer or someone call Al Snow over and tell him something in a panic, the final few guys actually took extra shots from Show so that they'd make some effort to sell. Probably a 20 minute segment in all. ... *Facepalm.* What a great crop we've got here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angelus 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Several of the guys completely no sold the body slam,immediately jumping right up. This was a BODY SLAM from the BIG SHOW, and they absolutely no sold even a bounce in the middle of the ring Too bad it's live ... Imagine Michael Cole & Taz ! Taz : Oh look out Cole, the Big Show is gonna chockslam little dude number 5 from Tough Enough right to his grave ! What a monster, a bald monster, is this Big Show Michael Cole : Yes i guess little dude number 5 will regret his firts steps in the WWE !!! Taz & Cole : AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA *Big Show bodyslam the guy from Tough Enough who no sold the slam* *Silence* Taz : ... hum... i guess little dude number 5 is the lost brother of the Undertaker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted October 27, 2004 I bet they wishing they kept the 40-30 year old black guy with Papa Shango war paint now. This is payback for the Diva Search! Hakumachente! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 -Next test: Take a body slam from The Big Show. Several of the guys completely no sold the body slam,immediately jumping right up. This was a BODY SLAM from the BIG SHOW, and they absolutely no sold even a bounce in the middle of the ring. You could actually see a producer or someone call Al Snow over and tell him something in a panic, the final few guys actually took extra shots from Show so that they'd make some effort to sell. Probably a 20 minute segment in all. Shit like this has absolutely no business on a kayfabed WWE program. A seperate show? Ok, sure. But when you put it on Smackdown it completely destroys the illusion. Although, the Taker hater in me wishes it had been a bunch of them not selling the Last Ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Yay, Hardkore Kidd debuts! I hope he gets a decent shot this time... can't say I see the name Jesus working for him though. I don't know. Personally, I think if they make his catchphrase be "It don't matta to Jesus!", they could have something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 There is NO WAY they can air the TE segment w/ The Big Show. Not even WWE can be that stupid, jeez I hope not. They'd honestly be better off either televising a Velocity match in its place or showing a match from No Mercy (Guerrero/Reigns for example). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 There is NO WAY they can air the TE segment w/ The Big Show. Not even WWE can be that stupid, jeez I hope not. They'd honestly be better off either televising a Velocity match in its place or showing a match from No Mercy (Guerrero/Reigns for example). They probably will air it and want to see who out of the TE kids gets the most "heel heat." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Next test: Take a body slam from The Big Show. Several of the guys completely no sold the body slam,immediately jumping right up. This was a BODY SLAM from the BIG SHOW, and they absolutely no sold even a bounce in the middle of the ring. You could actually see a producer or someone call Al Snow over and tell him something in a panic, the final few guys actually took extra shots from Show so that they'd make some effort to sell. Probably a 20 minute segment in all. To be fair - As stupid as it sounds now that they would bounce back up from a bodyslam from the Big Show, keep in mind that they probably didn't KNOW they were supposed to sell the move. The test is: Take a bodyslam from the Big Show. Afterwards, they would need to get up and show they have the ability to stand up from even a Big Show bodyslam. Some were rather dumb by doing it immediately, but if they had sold and the others hadn't, they would look physically weaker in front of the fans that are voting for them. Their goal is to impress the home audience and the WWE suits in the back. For someone trying to win a WWE contract, what sounds more impressive? Rolling around the mat, screaming in pain after a simple move OR being able to bounce back up and show that, even after the move, you're still fine and able to continue wrestling? They didn't know they were supposed to sell. And chances are, if they did sell when others had not, people were going to think that they're too weak to make it in WWE. By getting up as quick as they did, I think they just wanted to show that they have the ability to take these WWE moves without getting hurt. Meanwhile, for all we know, the Tough Enough coordinators might not have even told them to sell after the move, figuring that it went without saying. Look at it as miscommunication on both sides. With that being said, yeah, I don't want to see this shit on my TV either. It's like the Diva search all over again - only somehow more unappealing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 They didn't know they were supposed to sell. God help us all, 'cause this is right on the money. Then again, I think the illusion of wrestling being 100% real has been so blown apart in recent years that this isn't such a big deal as some people are making out. Someone said that the 'real' training should be seperate from Smackdown so as not to destroy the illusion. But it makes no real difference, as the people who'd watch Tough Enough are nearly all the same people who'd watch Smackdown or Raw. And besides, what percentage of the fan base are actually taken in by the illusion nowadays anyway? Their goal is to impress the home audience and the WWE suits in the back. For someone trying to win a WWE contract, what sounds more impressive? Rolling around the mat, screaming in pain after a simple move OR being able to bounce back up and show that, even after the move, you're still fine and able to continue wrestling? See, the smart thing to do would be to oversell it like death. Act as if you've just been shot in the back. Start wailing, crying, screaming. Get up and start walking around like someone's shoved a poker up your ass. Turn back around to Big Show, drop to your knees and start playing. The full Bubba Ray esque goofy oversell. THAT way, you make an impression on people watching. You'd be remembered at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Nice. You are trying to earn a job as a wrestler so you no-sell the Big Show. Yeah, that fills me with hope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Every single person that no-sold THE BIG SHOW should be shown the door, NOW. They didn't know they were supposed to sell. If they're not smart enough to realize that, when in the middle of the ring, during a SD taping, with PEOPLE WATCHING, they should sell for THE GODDAMNED BIG SHOW, then they have NO business in wrestling. None. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Then again, I think the illusion of wrestling being 100% real has been so blown apart in recent years that this isn't such a big deal as some people are making out. Someone said that the 'real' training should be seperate from Smackdown so as not to destroy the illusion. But it makes no real difference, as the people who'd watch Tough Enough are nearly all the same people who'd watch Smackdown or Raw. I disagree. It does matter. It would be like watching the Sopranos, and in the middle of a scene, James Gandolfini and Edie Falco break character and agree that the scene is going pretty good, and how impressed they are with the dialogue of this week's script. Then they get back into character and start arguing about Meadow and AJ. Everybody knows that wrestling and the Sopranos aren't real. But when they watch it, they like to pretend it is. When the fantasy is on, you don't let anything interrupt it. I'll watch an interview with the Sopranos cast, or watch a behind the scenes feature. These things interest me. But I don't want to see it mixed seamlessly into an episode. It kills the fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Quite frankly, I openly advocate for every one of these schmucks who no-sold Show to get "the Holly treatment" next week. They deserve no less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 --Vince and Stephanie McMahon were having a disagreement regarding the Tough Enough segment that was taped last night and how it will air tomorrow. Stephanie wants a lot of it edited, in particular the inexperienced guys who didn't sell Big Show's bodyslams, while Vince wants it to air as is. I would think most in wrestling would favor the Stephanie viewpoint on this one Credit - WO.com Who would have ever thought that Stephanie would ever be called the voice of reason ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Vince: "Hey, I got a great idea! You know all these nobodies? Let's make them look better then everyone in the fucking fed! That's BRILLIANT!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 "If they're not smart enough to realize that, when in the middle of the ring, during a SD taping, with PEOPLE WATCHING, they should sell for THE GODDAMNED BIG SHOW, then they have NO business in wrestling. None. Period." Agreed wholeheartedly. WTF do they think it is, the 80's and they're Hulk Hogan (hell, even Hogan sold for Andre's bodyslam)? I'd assume that selling the move would be the whole bloody point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Maybe for the next weeks segment they should throw tacks down first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlaskanHero 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 I'm gonna reserve calling the TE kids stupid for the time being. I want to know exactly how much training they've had first. I mean, when exactly do you learn the finer points of selling? Or is selling something you just know you're supposed to do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Stephanie makes a smart decision...I guess now she can make another 4,058,380 before making another good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phenom Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Who's the other person on Team Guerrero? Eddie, TBS, Rey, and who? Van Dam? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 I thought it would just be 4 against 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phenom Report post Posted October 27, 2004 I thought it would just be 4 against 4. You're a bright one. That's what I was asking! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 I thought it would just be 4 against 4. You're a bright one. That's what I was asking! Yes, Van Dam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phenom Report post Posted October 27, 2004 Thanks. And I just realized; tomarrow is Rene Dupree's birthday. What a bad way for a show. Don't even make it to SmackDown! and lose! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clean rob 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 I'm gonna reserve calling the TE kids stupid for the time being. I want to know exactly how much training they've had first. I mean, when exactly do you learn the finer points of selling? Or is selling something you just know you're supposed to do? This isn't exactly the 'finer points' of selling. It's selling at it's most basic (you know, the stuff even RVD can do - take a move, make it look like it hurt more than it really did). It should not require any training at all to be able to do this. What a bunch of idiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
