WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

[Guest Connzilla]

The Plained Finish for the NWO Arn Anderson retirement parody was for the Horsemen come out and clean some fuckin house with the end of the segment being Arn smiling over a fallin Nash, but Nash put the kabosh on the whole Horsemen looking like the Horsemen thing. That fuckin Nash I would have loved to see that.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Where'd you hear that? The story I always heard was that the 4 horsemen didn't know about the promo til it started, and then had to be physically restrained from going to the ring.

 

/memory fading...

[Guest Connzilla]

I read that in The death Of WCW

[GODSON 0]

Was WCW that big or was it the company that owned them. Cause WCW was in the red for many many years if I remember correctly.

 

They were acually pretty big from 96-98.

[JJMc 0]

I know there was rumors of Fusient Media backing out after they realize WCW lost tv but didn't WCW still have Worldwide in syndication? Couldn't they use Worldwide until they found a cable slot? I think Worldwide broadcast the last WCW show ever.

 

That WorldWide was very surreal to watch. I remember they didn't have the usual WCW intro. They just flashed the WCW logo and played this weird music. It was kind of funny because it was the weekend after the final Nitro. I think it was Tony and Scott Hudson hosting and they seemed to be really sad when signing off.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Wow, didn't hear about that one. I would almost be willing to track that down just to see it. I'm sure it was pretty surreal.

[Slickster 0]

Had Fusient bought WCW, they would have basically had TNA circa 2004:

 

-A low-quality timeslot (syndication vs. FSN)

-A good deal of raw talent

-A home base (Las Vegas vs. Orlando)

 

Personally, I think they could have at least kept the company alive to the present day.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

WCW going out of business is depressing to think about. So much that could have been done, should have done, and so much potential for the future of this business and it all got pissed away because of a few insecure, middle-aged/old-aged men either desperately clinging onto their fading spotlight or a grabbing a spotlight they never had any business in having.

[Guest Connzilla]

I am interested does anyone have a full roster of WCW 2001?

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

iirc... Hudson signed off just saying "that's it, believe it or not fans, this is our last episode of worldwide..."

 

or something similar

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

"Had Fusient bought WCW, they would have basically had..."

 

Rob

 

Van

 

Dam

 

And they coulda had him keep us his work, not horribly book him from '02-forward, and not become X-Pac all over again.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

I know there was rumors of Fusient Media backing out after they realize WCW lost tv but didn't WCW still have Worldwide in syndication? Couldn't they use Worldwide until they found a cable slot? I think Worldwide broadcast the last WCW show ever.

 

That WorldWide was very surreal to watch. I remember they didn't have the usual WCW intro. They just flashed the WCW logo and played this weird music. It was kind of funny because it was the weekend after the final Nitro. I think it was Tony and Scott Hudson hosting and they seemed to be really sad when signing off.

 

I'm surprised it didn't air 2 weeks after the final Nitro since for the last year or so of the show, all the Nitro highlights were from 2 weeks ago . . . or maybe my affiliate was a week behind . . . I dunno.

[Guest Connzilla]

Starrcade 1994

"Triple Threat"

December 27, 1994 in Nashville, TN

Municipal Auditorium drawing 8,200 ($82,000)

Shown live on PPV (0.6)

 

Vader pinned Jim Duggan (12:06) to win the WCW US Title.

 

Alex Wright pinned Jean Paul Levesque (14:03).

 

WCW TV Champ Johnny B. Badd pinned Arn Anderson (11:21).

 

The Nasty Boys beat Harlem Heat (17:49) via DQ.

 

Mr. T pinned Kevin Sullivan (3:50).

 

Sting beat Avalanche (15:26) via DQ.

 

WCW World Champ Hulk Hogan pinned The Butcher (12:07).

 

How was this PPV? It looks incrediblly awful on paper but how did it turn out? How was Mr.T vs. Sullivan match? WHere was Flair?

[Slayer 0]

It looks incrediblly awful on paper

And it was incredibly awful on the screen too

 

As a mark I was glad Vader won the belt from Duggan, being a general heel guy and really not liking Duggan. That was my only high point from this event.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

Starrcade 1994

"Triple Threat"

December 27, 1994 in Nashville, TN

Municipal Auditorium drawing 8,200 ($82,000)

Shown live on PPV (0.6)

 

Vader pinned Jim Duggan (12:06) to win the WCW US Title.

 

Alex Wright pinned Jean Paul Levesque (14:03).

 

WCW TV Champ Johnny B. Badd pinned Arn Anderson (11:21).

 

The Nasty Boys beat Harlem Heat (17:49) via DQ.

 

Mr. T pinned Kevin Sullivan (3:50).

 

Sting beat Avalanche (15:26) via DQ.

 

WCW World Champ Hulk Hogan pinned The Butcher (12:07).

 

How was this PPV? It looks incrediblly awful on paper but how did it turn out? How was Mr.T vs. Sullivan match? WHere was Flair?

 

Flair "retired" at Halloween Havoc '94 after losing a retirement match to Hogan. IIRC, Hogan was originally going to job to Flair at a Clash of the Champions after passing out from the figure four, so they could build to a rematch at Halloween Havoc. Hogan nixed the idea and they had to come up with another big angle to sell the PPV.

 

"Had Fusient bought WCW, they would have basically had..."

 

Rob

 

Van

 

Dam

 

And they coulda had him keep us his work, not horribly book him from '02-forward, and not become X-Pac all over again.

 

I remember reading somewhere that RVD was under WCW contract before he was signed by WWE. It would have been interesting to see RVD in fusient WCW, I have no doubt he would of caught on as quickly with the fanbase as he did with WWE's, and Bischoff would of loved his kick filled moveset.

[1234-5678 0]

I remember reading somewhere that RVD was under WCW contract before he was signed by WWE. It would have been interesting to see RVD in fusient WCW, I have no doubt he would of caught on as quickly with the fanbase as he did with WWE's, and Bischoff would of loved his kick filled moveset.

 

Yeah IIRC, old Robbie confirmed this in some inteview, I just forget where it was.

[Guest JN Silentbob]

I remember reading somewhere that RVD was under WCW contract before he was signed by WWE. It would have been interesting to see RVD in fusient WCW, I have no doubt he would of caught on as quickly with the fanbase as he did with WWE's, and Bischoff would of loved his kick filled moveset.

 

yeah, imagine all the cool names he could come up with for them:

 

"Van Dam with the spinning back pin-wheel pirouette scissor-kick!"

[snuffbox 0]

Starrcade '94 was one of the worst ppvs ever.

[GODSON 0]

Had Fusient bought WCW, they would have basically had TNA circa 2004:

 

-A low-quality timeslot (syndication vs. FSN)

-A good deal of raw talent

-A home base (Las Vegas vs. Orlando)

 

Personally, I think they could have at least kept the company alive to the present day.

 

I don't know,WCW was at least establish. Plus,Bischoff is a bigger risk taker than JJ and Dixie combine and knows how to get people to talk. Remember the offer WGN had on the table with a 2 hour show Monday night from 8-10 and LIVE every other week,imagine if WCW had that same kind of offer? Eric would of accepted this deal in a heartbeat. (note:TNA actually could of accept the offer but the ppv promotion was the problem)

[Guest Connzilla]

Taliking about Starcade 94 how bad was Hogan vs. The Butcher and whos Idea was it to have it go 12 minutes?

[Vampiro69 0]

The match sucked and my guess as to who decided it was a good idea to go for that long was probably Hogan.

[Guest Super Leather]

Someone clarify the Sid Vicious squeegee story for me. Roddy Piper's description in his autobio doesn't seem to be particularly accurate.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Remember the offer WGN had on the table with a 2 hour show Monday night from 8-10 and LIVE every other week,imagine if WCW had that same kind of offer? Eric would of accepted this deal in a heartbeat. (note:TNA actually could of accept the offer but the ppv promotion was the problem)

Eric would only have accepted the deal if he had no other choice. The slot would have been unlike to have aired in Chicago, at least in prime time, and that was/is WGN's best city. There are two versions of WGN; the Chicago version, which airs WB stuff in prime time, and the version everyone else gets that, at the time, was available in about 73% of the cable homes and 57% of the total homes, but with low viewership. If TNA had signed the deal the earliest it could have gone on in Chicago was 11pm, if at all. Not only that, but WGN had limited exposure in New York.

 

Someone clarify the Sid Vicious squeegee story for me. Roddy Piper's description in his autobio doesn't seem to be particularly accurate.

 

Sid was in a bar with Brian Pillman and Mike Graham. An argument ensued and Sid backed off and walked out of the bar, only to return armed with a squeegee. This did not do wonders for his rep.

[cabbageboy 0]

I didn't know there were such things as separate WCW contracts for guys in 2001. I do remember having an RVD shirt from the Invasion era that had WCW on the logo, which has to be some kind of novelty. The irony was that RVD was never really WCW in the Invasion, he was still very much ECW. I remember the original WWF planned WCW relaunch had RVD, Booker, and Bagwell among the major stars. Maybe DDP too.

 

RVD was really mysterious in late 2000 and early 2001. He largely vanished from ECW after Anarchy Rulz 2000 (where he jobbed to Rhino), mainly due to Heyman not paying him. Since ECW was on its last legs and lost its TNN deal it was hard to tell he was actually gone. I think he really only missed N2R 2000 and maybe Massacre on 34th Street, before then turning up on the last ECW PPV ever against Jerry Lynn. After that he basically vanished until July when he and Dreamer ran in from the crowd on Raw, still one of the greatest and most shocking angles I've ever seen on Raw. Of course they blew it an hour later, but that's another story.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Here's one I bet ya can't answer:

 

During the steel cage match at Slamboree '93 between Los Dos Hombres and The Hollywood Blondes, two older (50 year old) Italian men in suits are seen in the crowd "taking notes" about the match, as pointed about by anouncer Tony Schiavone. What angle was this?

 

Also from Slamboree '93:

 

Rick Rude pins Sasaki with the "Rude Awakening" in the tag team match. However, Sasaki totally no-sells it, making several kickout attempts at 1, 2, and 3. Has to be seen to believed. The ref still counts. THEN, Sasaki pops right back up to his feet after the 3 is counted. Ridiculous.

[GODSON 0]

RVD was suppose to go to WCW in 97 but Heyman block it. I remember reading reports how RVD use to go to NItro's.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

LMAO, "Heyman blocked it".

[The Mountie 0]

WCW in its last days had, I believe, the following under contract...

 

Goldberg

Kevin Nash

Booker T

Scott Steiner

Rick Steiner

Buff Bagwell

Lex Luger

Bam Bam Bigelow

Jeff Jarrett

Ric Flair

Sting

Diamond Dallas Page

Mike Awesome

Sean O' Haire

Chuck Palumbo

Shawn Stasiak

Chris Kanyon

Lance Storm

Dustin Rhodes

Shane Helms

Shannon Moore

Jamie Noble

Billy Kidman

Rey Mysterio Jr.

Prime Time Elix Skipper

Ice Train

Kid Romeo

EZ Money

The Cat

Chavo Guerrero Jr.

Big Vito

Mr. Above Average Mike Sanders

Disco Inferno

Alex Wright

Devon Storm

Mark Jindrak

Konnan

Animal

Hugh Morrus

The Wall

Kronik

Alan Funk

Evan Karagias

 

Plus the following were either working spots or close to inking permanent deals -

 

Kid Kash

AJ Styles

Air Paris

Rob Van Dam

Tommy Dreamer

 

That's a pretty good roster, isn't it?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Honestly, considering what WWE 2000-01 was doing, it's not a good roster at all.

 

There's some very good athletic talent on there, but they weren't particularly over and clearly weren't draws.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Also, the two biggest names on their, Nash and Goldberg, were basically gone from WCW TV in the last few months. Hell, I think Sting was basically a non-factor, Hogan was already gone, etc.