WWF/E Tidbits from the past

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

thanks for the refresher course Steve...last question...what exactly was the build up, then to HBK suddenly becomming the face to HHH's heel at Summerslam that same year...sounds like there was only a matter of a month or two between DX Heel HBK and Summerslam face HBK...

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None at all. Basically it was more a Triple H heel turn rather than HBK turning face.

 

Shawn pops up at the PPV promising Hunter "Fun and Friendship" if he went on Raw so Hunter chose Raw

 

Next night, Bischoff in the opening spot names HBK the manager of HHH. Shawn balks at this idea and its Hunter's job the rest of the night to convince Shawn to stay. And Hunter does by brining out some old D-X gear and the two do a "D-X IS BACK!" promo at the end, only just as Hunter is saying "Lets get ready to SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKK IT!" he cuts out of the promo and drills Shawn with a pedigree (in back-to-back weeks the WWF manages to kill dead the nWo and D-X)

 

Next week the show is building to a Shawn-Hunter confrontation over the pedigree (this is the week where Show confronts Shawn) but that doesn't go down because Shawn is taken out in the parking lot.

 

Next week of course Hunter is revealed to be the guy to drill Shawn through a car window and Shawn via tape in Texas delivers the challenge to face Hunter at SummerSlam

 

Steve

[Si82 0]

Next week the show is building to a Shawn-Hunter confrontation over the pedigree (this is the week where Show confronts Shawn) but that doesn't go down because Shawn is taken out in the parking lot.

 

Next week of course Hunter is revealed to be the guy to drill Shawn through a car window and Shawn via tape in Texas delivers the challenge to face Hunter at SummerSlam

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I still think that was the lamest resolution to that angle. I mean, who thought that shit up? But that's WWE for you.

[Guest jm29195]

I may be wrong but I'm almost certain that the plan for Summerslam before Nash's injury was to have Nash w/HBK (nWo) vs face Hunter at Summerslam...

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I may be wrong but I'm almost certain that the plan for Summerslam before Nash's injury was to have Nash w/HBK (nWo) vs face Hunter at Summerslam...

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You are not wrong. The plan was for Hunter v Nash at Summerslam. I believe the idea then was for Hunter to go through the nWo until finally facing Shawn.

[daileyxplanet 0]

So basically a really crappy version of the "Dream Stable Feud of the '90s"?

[Epic Reine 0]

Here's a weird one...when was the last time Owen Hart got a submission victory with the sharpshooter? I can't name anyone during his last years in the WWE.

[pochorenella 0]

Edit: Nevermind.

[Art Sandusky 0]

didn't HBK, Booker T and Big Show all join the NWO following Hogan's departure and then all of them ended up getting kicked out left and right not too long after?

 

Does anyone have a timeline for the WWE version of the NWO?

 

wouldn't it have made more sense for it to just comprise of the Klik guys (HHH, Hall, Nash and HBK)? Well, perhaps not with HBK and/or HHH since they had the whole blood fued going and all...

 

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Hall, Nash, Hogan to start at No Way Out in Feb 2002

 

Hogan is kicked out after WM turn, X-Pac "rejoins" Nash is still on the shelf wrestling wise but making apperances

 

Big Show gets added just to have a "big man in ring precsence" I guess

 

Hall is fired after "Plane Ride From Hell"

 

Flair turns heel in May I believe and announces Booker T to join the nWo for no apparent reason. Booker's tagteam partner Goldust is in angle of trying to join.

 

New sherrif in town, Kevin Nash brings a returning Shawn Michaels into the nWo to replace Scott Hall. A week later Shawn kicks out Booker, obstensibly to keep Booker a face and continue BookerDust vs nWo angle going

 

This would start a gimmick of Show and Pac having to "win" matches in order to stay in the nWo.

 

Don't remeber if X-Pac was still a member by the end of it though, but one week Show would lose a match and HBK gave him some Sweet Chin Music for it, though he was still in the nWo as HBK said it was "tough love" They actually played up this angle when Shawn turned face a few weeks later where Show wanted to have a face-to-face over the SCM

 

Then the infamous night Nash comes back, only to tear his quad! HBK cuts the final (ever?) nWo promo advising Triple H to accept membership in the nWo (he was a "free agent" at this point)

 

Next week on Raw Vince dissolves the nWo and Eric Bischoff, ironically the brainchild of the gimmick in the first place, debuts as the new Raw GM

 

That I believe was the week before the July 02 PPV where Triple H would "make his decision" between Raw and Smackdown

 

Steve

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2002 was so the worst post-Attitude year. The product is lightyears better now.

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't really think so. 2002 was a disaster from a booking standpoint but at least there were several really excellent matches, even some on free TV (like the RVD/Eddie ladder match, or anything with the Smackdown 6).

 

I personally think 2003 was simply the deadzone. I didn't even see SS that year due to a cable problem and have never felt any urge to watch it. I saw WM 19 down in FL and have never had the slightest desire to watch again.

[Epic Reine 0]

2003 was definatley a lot better than 2002. I definatley agree on 2002 being the worst post attitude year. Up until maybe Summerslam, it was complete crap and even after SS it wasn't really that much better.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

I may be wrong but I'm almost certain that the plan for Summerslam before Nash's injury was to have Nash w/HBK (nWo) vs face Hunter at Summerslam...

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You are not wrong. The plan was for Hunter v Nash at Summerslam. I believe the idea then was for Hunter to go through the nWo until finally facing Shawn.

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Not only that, part of the reason the whole plan was scrapped and redone was because HHH wasn't drawing as a face (and when you think about it, the gimmick HHH has doesn't lend itself to being a full blown face the way most wrestlers's gimmicks can) so they'd had to turn HHH heel (plus HHH likes being a heel better)

 

You know what really would have been sweet though.

 

That Raw that Eric Bischoff debuts as the Raw GM, he hugs Vince, Vince gets out of the ring and starts walking up the ramp as Bischoff cuts this promo:

 

ERIC: OH YEAH! I'm back baby! Hey Vince, ya might want to stick around for this. Because my first move as GM of Raw? Is to BRING BACK THE NEW WORLD ORDER!

 

(Vince is completely shocked as he stands at the top of the ramp, so shocked that he doesn't see HBK behind him (with an nWo shirt on of course) HBK taps Vince's shoulder and delievers Sweet Chin Music and starts doing crotch chops)

 

You see Vince, you thought you can just disband the nWo just by saying "Hey I'm disbanding the nWo. I brought them in, and now I don't need them" Well you are wrong Vince! Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall? They aren't THE nWo. They are vital cogs of course, but I, ERIC BISCHOFF, AM THE NWO!

 

And to Triple H. Shawn Michaels' threat still stands. Join this Sunday, or prepared to be conqured! HIT THE MUSIC.

[Black Lushus 0]

okay, Lushus is back with another question, this one concerning HHH: I vaguely remember an episode of Smackdown where HHH was battling Vince McMahon...the aftermath had HHH standing over a bloody Vince with Linda in the ring as HHH rubbed Vince's blood all over his chest...when was this? what was the reasoning for the match (it was for the world title wasn't it?)? eventual outcome? am I just dreaming this whole thing up?

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

IIRC, it was indeed a title match, which Vinny Mac won somehow, and immediately forfeited.

 

As for the Owen question, the last I remember winning was against Hunterdust in February 98.

[Slickster 0]

okay, Lushus is back with another question, this one concerning HHH:  I vaguely remember an episode of Smackdown where HHH was battling Vince McMahon...the aftermath had HHH standing over a bloody Vince with Linda in the ring as HHH rubbed Vince's blood all over his chest...when was this?  what was the reasoning for the match (it was for the world title wasn't it?)?  eventual outcome?  am I just dreaming this whole thing up?

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Sept 14, 1999, Las Vegas, SmackDown!.

 

HHH goaded Vince into a title match so he could beat him down (which he did, for several minutes). Then, HHH bumps the ref, Austin runs in (he and HHH were feuding), Stone Cold Stunner on HHH, Austin puts Vince on top of HHH and revives the ref, 1-2-3, Vince McMahon is the WWE Champion.

 

That Monday (9/20/99), Vince vacated the title so the winner of the '6-Pack Challenge' scheduled for that Sunday's Unforgiven PPV would be the new WWE Champion.

 

At Unforgiven, guest referee Steve Austin was forced to count HHH's winning pinfall on The Big Show, but attacked The Game as he celebrated after the match. This set up Austin-HHH for the title at No Mercy the next month.

[Betty Houle 0]

2003 was definatley a lot better than 2002. I definatley agree on 2002 being the worst post attitude year. Up until maybe Summerslam, it was complete crap and even after SS it wasn't really that much better.

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Although 2002 was better than 2005 so far.

[Alro 0]

How often did the clique hand sign make it on TV? I remember seeing Shawn Michaels do it at Good Friends, Better Enemies. I was watching WWE 24/7 last night and noticed that Michaels and Diesel both did it during their match with Yokozuna and Davey Boy Smith. Did they thow up the clique sign as often as it seems?

[Guest jm29195]

I guess so, 123 Kid and Razor both did it before the Cry Baby match at IYH 6- also didn't Nash do it during the set up for the jackknife- I know he did in all the console games at the time.....

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Shawn did it on his way to the commentary table at WM XIII. As he stepped onto the ring apron, he snuck a sideways look at the table, where Vince was, and pulled his jacket open to hide that he was given the clique symbol. Then, the next night on Nitro, as the nWo was walking to the ring, Kevin Nash stuck his face into the camera and said, "Right back at ya, HBK."

[Guest Rrrsh]

Thats Gold.

[Guest Fook]

Kevin Nash stuck his face into the camera and said, "Right back at ya, HBK."

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Nash - King of Subtlety

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

BB's original name was supposedly going to be Connie Lingus, although apparently some WWF officials thought it might be a little too racy.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I was just watching the last SNME when HBK beat Bulldog for the IC Title.

 

So, why was Bulldog left of Survivor Series 92. He was booked to face The Mountie, but the match was scrapped and neither men had a match. There were some prelim matches on that card, the former IC Champ who beat the current World Champ in the last PPV had a right to be on the show.

 

 

What happened?

[Guest jm29195]

So, why was Bulldog left of Survivor Series 92. He was booked to face The Mountie, but the match was scrapped and neither men had a match. There were some prelim matches on that card, the former IC Champ who beat the current World Champ in the last PPV had a right to be on the show.

 

 

What happened?

 

 

Bulldog was fired along with the Ultimate Warrior, something to do with steroids if I recall correctly.....

[alfdogg 0]

Neither of them were actually fired. Warrior walked out because he was going to be knocked down the card to feud with Nailz, and IIRC Bulldog basically went away until the steroid ordeal blew over and their was never any bad terms between he and Vince.

[Guest drdrainoscott]

If you think that Vince would let his #2 babyface on the roster jump to his competition in order to let the steroid controversy blow over, then you are badly mistaken. Bulldog (and I'm pretty sure Warrior too) were fired due to failing steriod tests, along with about 8 other wrestlers.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Bulldog and Warrior were fired because Vince caught them using GHB to cheat the steroid testing that was going on. The steroid testing at that point was legit, and there were suspensions, but with Bulldog and Warrior not just getting caught on the juice but caught trying to cheat the test, Vince fired them.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

okay, Lushus is back with another question, this one concerning HHH:  I vaguely remember an episode of Smackdown where HHH was battling Vince McMahon...the aftermath had HHH standing over a bloody Vince with Linda in the ring as HHH rubbed Vince's blood all over his chest...when was this?  what was the reasoning for the match (it was for the world title wasn't it?)?  eventual outcome?  am I just dreaming this whole thing up?

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Sept 14, 1999, Las Vegas, SmackDown!.

 

HHH goaded Vince into a title match so he could beat him down (which he did, for several minutes). Then, HHH bumps the ref, Austin runs in (he and HHH were feuding), Stone Cold Stunner on HHH, Austin puts Vince on top of HHH and revives the ref, 1-2-3, Vince McMahon is the WWE Champion.

 

That Monday (9/20/99), Vince vacated the title so the winner of the '6-Pack Challenge' scheduled for that Sunday's Unforgiven PPV would be the new WWE Champion.

 

At Unforgiven, guest referee Steve Austin was forced to count HHH's winning pinfall on The Big Show, but attacked The Game as he celebrated after the match. This set up Austin-HHH for the title at No Mercy the next month.

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After the Fully Loaded match, where Austin won and Vince was banished, they came up with a rediculous clause that only Austin could bring Vince back to The E if he wanted to. He agreed to let Vince back that fall in return for the title match at No Mercy. (I think he may have granted him the one-on-one right before the 6-pack PPV, because Austin had wanted to be thrust right into that one at first)

[Jericholic82 0]

okay, Lushus is back with another question, this one concerning HHH:  I vaguely remember an episode of Smackdown where HHH was battling Vince McMahon...the aftermath had HHH standing over a bloody Vince with Linda in the ring as HHH rubbed Vince's blood all over his chest...when was this?  what was the reasoning for the match (it was for the world title wasn't it?)?  eventual outcome?  am I just dreaming this whole thing up?

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Sept 14, 1999, Las Vegas, SmackDown!.

 

HHH goaded Vince into a title match so he could beat him down (which he did, for several minutes). Then, HHH bumps the ref, Austin runs in (he and HHH were feuding), Stone Cold Stunner on HHH, Austin puts Vince on top of HHH and revives the ref, 1-2-3, Vince McMahon is the WWE Champion.

 

That Monday (9/20/99), Vince vacated the title so the winner of the '6-Pack Challenge' scheduled for that Sunday's Unforgiven PPV would be the new WWE Champion.

 

At Unforgiven, guest referee Steve Austin was forced to count HHH's winning pinfall on The Big Show, but attacked The Game as he celebrated after the match. This set up Austin-HHH for the title at No Mercy the next month.

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You forgot to mention that the guest ref for the HHH-Vince Match was Shane O Mac Himself

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

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At Unforgiven, guest referee Steve Austin was forced to count HHH's winning pinfall on The Big Show, but attacked The Game as he celebrated after the match. This set up Austin-HHH for the title at No Mercy the next month.

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It was Rock that got pinned.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Ahmed Johnson's promo from The PS version of WarZone:

 

http://ahmedjohnson.ytmnd.com/