Hitler

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Hitler was close to winning if the war had ended in 1941 or 1942. After that, most of the higer-ups in the Nazi regime knew that by mid-1943 that the war was unwinnable. That the Germans even stuck around 'til 1945 was a bit of a surprise. But at that point, Hitler had anyone who could hold a gun defending the Fatherland, and we know the rest...

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Why does this fool have my name. Yes, Hitler was evil, that is a no brainer, but damnit if those Nazis did not have the best uniforms.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Now we wait until someone ties in George W. Bush is like Hitler comment, and KKK will call someone a hippie, and the thread will be closed.

Hippie.

 

We're halfway there...

Didn't you know that GEORGE BUSH IS FROM THE SAME INCUBATOR OF EVIL BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH THAT GAVE US HITLER! HE IS FILLED WITH THE POWER OF STAN!

[Murmuring Beast 0]

He's not evil, just a bullshit president.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Trouble understanding? I'm majoring in history so I think I understand it very well. Hitler is not evil he's a regular person and every regular person commits evil acts, but it doesn't make them Satan.

 

Good grief, all your posts in here are fucking ridiculous. I hope some Jews kick the ever loving shit out of you after you tell them what you've been posting.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Why are people still feeding the troll ?

[Art Sandusky 0]

Hah, KGB's reading this thread. They'll fix 'im.

[Dr. Tom 0]

blah blah blah, I'm a dumb little shithead, blah blah blah

You fucking idiot. You're going to the gulag for a while, just for being such an absolute imbecile.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Many people do not give Hitler credit you just classify him as a nutjob because he killed the Jews, but really it took a genius to make a plan of how to militarly attack Poland and other countries and how to kill the Jews.

I give Hitler credit for being the greatest public speaker that ever lived. How else could one man convince a nation of millions that his ideas were correct?

 

No. There was an anti-semetic sentiment throughout Germany far before Hitler campaigned for it. Germany had been crushed by the Treaty of Versailles and the depression that coincided with its harsh decrees. People were poor, starving, dying, unemployed, ect. It didn't take a genius to adopt the stance that the Jews were the reason for their loss at WW1 (not their ineptitude, of course!) and they should be punished for being traitors. Hitler was hardly the greatest speaker ever. He was simpyl smart enough, yet not that brilliant, to mobalize the German population to rise up against their oppressive conditions. The Jews were a means to the end.

 

And yes folks, Hitler knew about the holocaust. Although there was no documents that linked him to the creation of it, he was the dicatator in a National Sociolist government. Do you honestly think epople would dare go over his head with something so extreme without hearing the consequences of it? Something of this nature would not have been pursued had Hitler not approved it. Moreover, Hitler divided his troops up for the sole purpose to find Jews throughout Russia, Poland, ect. to murder them. Once he realised that those troops (the eisatzgruppen) were losing their minds by brutally murdering millions of Jews in a mere 6 months, he turned to liquidating Jews in masses because it was easier on the German solders pysche. Again, this isn't something Henry Himmler would've done on his own.

 

I'll add more later as people continue to pile on stupid comments.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Hitler was close to winning if the war had ended in 1941 or 1942.

Not really. The Russia/Germany battle was imminant, even had Hitler not started it. Stalin did not want a one on one battle with the Germans. So if the Germans were close to winning, Stalin would've joined the Allies. Plus, Germany and Italy did an empeccable job of not communicating with one another, and Mussolini was an incompetant military mind. Germany had to clean up Italy's mess during that period, and it was more of a problem in 1941 than most people think. Had Mussolini not been a total dunce, Germany would have won the war. They were why Germany got blasted by the Soviets in 1941 and 1942. Not to mention Hitler not being informed of the Japs plans to bomb Pearl Harbor, which brought the strongest military country into the war. Communication.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

http://www.solargeneral.com/library/MeinKampf.pdf

 

Mein Kampf in eBook form.

[Guest sek69]

The "Hitler's only evil cause we won" argument got me thinking.

 

First, this has been one of the most perversely entertaining threads I've seen since my return to TSM.

 

Second, if genocide is the worst thing a person can do, how come Hitler's the most evil person in history but Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.

 

Hell, at least the jews were able to bounce back after the Holocaust. When's the last time you met a Native American walking down the street? Unless you live near a reservation (or a casino), probably never.

 

BTW, don't get the impression I'm defending Hitler, but he hardly has the market on eliminating a race of people.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Hell, at least the jews were able to bounce back after the Holocaust. When's the last time you met a Native American walking down the street? Unless you live near a reservation (or a casino), probably never.

This reminds me of Chris Rock's stand-up from Bigger and Blacker

 

"Man aint no more Indians around. When's the last time you saw more than 2 Indians together? I was watching Macy's Thanksgiving Parade this year and they tried passing off Puerto Ricans as Indians. Don't you think I know a Puerto Rican when I see one? That aint Pocahontas. Its Jennifer Lopez!"

 

There were tyrants in history far worse than Hitler. Some of which make ol Adolf look like a nice guy. I think he's recognised as the major villian though because all things considered its still fairly recent.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

i'm wondering if this is in Jason's closet about now...

 

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=385

 

 

(don't click if easily offended...also, I don't advocate this shirt)

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

There were tyrants in history far worse than Hitler. Some of which make ol Adolf look like a nice guy. I think he's recognised as the major villian though because all things considered its still fairly recent.

name some sillains who made Adolf look like a nice guy? Hitler wasn't the world's most evil man, but he was right up there. I don't think anyone can make the man look like a nice guy.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Vlad the Impaler was alot crueler.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Vlad the Impaler was alot crueler.

How long did he rule?

[Highland 0]

here were tyrants in history far worse than Hitler. Some of which make ol Adolf look like a nice guy. I think he's recognised as the major villian though because all things considered its still fairly recent.

 

Only Stalin has surpassed Hitler in the number of people killed under his authority and thirst for power, and that is only because no one was willing to stop Stalin and he had alot more time to kill (literally).

 

I blame the entirety of Germany for World War II and the Holocaust. Fuck them and their protestations of ignorance. Goebels orchestrated the Holocaust, Hitler used his powers as fuhrer and his oratoral skills to tell the Germans what they wanted to hear and they willfully listened. Only a tiny minority of them objected to the tide of evil sweeping over them; them majority eagerly choosing to go with the flow, looking for anyone but themselves to blame for their economic woes.

Hitler was evil, leading his like-minded followers. An entire nation of them.

[Guest Failed Mascot]

Don't know off the top of my head. He does have an official site though.

 

Vlad the Impaler

 

I don't know if they mention it on there but from a book I read he was one fucked up man. Besides killing his only son he would often take the bodies of his enemies, impale them on spikes, set the spikes on his courtyard and dip his bread into their blood. He believed that through doing that he would gain their knowledge and life force.

 

While Hitler may have had millions killed, Vlad often did his own killing.

[Art Sandusky 0]

There were tyrants in history far worse than Hitler. Some of which make ol Adolf look like a nice guy. I think he's recognised as the major villian though because all things considered its still fairly recent.

name some sillains who made Adolf look like a nice guy? Hitler wasn't the world's most evil man, but he was right up there. I don't think anyone can make the man look like a nice guy.

Basil II had the eyes of 25,000 Bulgars removed with the exception of one, who was allowed one eye to lead everyone back to their homeland. That's pretty friggin' cruel, even if it doesn't have the numerological advantage.

[Nighthawk 0]

You know this Jason's just having some fun with you, but there's some interesting stuff here too.

 

If one man kills millions, and another man would, but is incapable, is the first man more evil? That would, by extension, relate evil to opportunity and capability.

 

Yeah. And?

 

I don't see why that's a problem. It's not really a crime to WANT to do something; it's only a crime once you physically do something in order to make that something happen.

 

Yeah, but we weren't talking about whether he was a criminal, we were talking about whether he was evil. If you equate evil with the physical, tangible commisions of evil behavior, it sets a standard I don't think you'd agree with if carried out. For example, is Charles Cullen more evil than, say, Albert Fish, or Larry Bittaker? If you don't know who I'm talking about, they're three serial killers, suffice it to say the first guy killed more people, but the latter two in a much more brutal, sadistic way.

So now you're bringing into question the nature of evil, whether it's a quantitative or qualitative thing, and I think it's clearly qualitative. If not, Hitler becomes more evil simply because he had better organizational skills and the command of an army. So charisma, efficiency, and good timing = evil? I don't think so.

 

Study up on a guy called Shiro Ishii. It will give you some food for thought regarding these issues.

Ishii was the Japanese general in charge of the "expiriments" in Manchuria, was he not?

 

Correct. He committed far worse crimes against humanity than anything the Nazis were doing, and unlike the Holocaust, nobody escaped alive. Now, because he wasn't a well known figure like Hitler, he was able to be treated a bit differently after the war. He was captured by the Americans, and his punishment was to do research for America during the Korean war. Comes off as a bit of a double standard what will the way Hitler is called the Devil himself. This demonstrates how much of what we consider evil, and morality is just PR.

That's largely what I meant about Hitler losing a war. Not that he's only evil cause the winners write the books, but the way he's the poster boy for evil. Look at this thread... you wouldn't see this kind of exchange is someone had asked if Stalin was really as bad as they say. I think we should get the emotion away from the issues of Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Yeah, he attempted genocide. So did a lot of other people. Americans even. Why is he worse than them? He lost a war. Was he evil? Pretty much... study this kind of stuff long enough and you will start to question whether it really exists, though. But he wasn't as evil as he's made to appear. I'm certain of that.

[Art Sandusky 0]

On a related note, our generation (and our parents', for that matter) had nothing to do with the age of totalitarianism, so people need to lay off the Germans, Japanese, Italians, and French (not part of the Axis but still ridiculed for [smartly] surrendering quickly).

[The Czech Republic 0]

 

This year I've read a few books in English LOF(Lord Of The Flies) and Macbeth and both show that nobody is clearly evil.

They also show that neither William Shakespeare nor William Golding can write worth shit.

Ha yeah why are you reading Lord of the Flies in class if you're 19?? I read that when I was 14.

[Precious Roy 0]

both ruined cool moustaches for guys for what will become centuries

 

Hitler's mustache was not cool. Stalin's? Eh, it was solid.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I read it while I was in utero. Beat that.

[Art Sandusky 0]

both ruined cool moustaches for guys for what will become centuries

 

Hitler's mustache was not cool. Stalin's? Eh, it was solid.

Whatever. Tell me Chaplin didn't look pimp.

[Nighthawk 0]

I blame the entirety of Germany for World War II and the Holocaust. Fuck them and their protestations of ignorance. Goebels orchestrated the Holocaust, Hitler used his powers as fuhrer and his oratoral skills to tell the Germans what they wanted to hear and they willfully listened. Only a tiny minority of them objected to the tide of evil sweeping over them; them majority eagerly choosing to go with the flow, looking for anyone but themselves to blame for their economic woes.

Hitler was evil, leading his like-minded followers. An entire nation of them.

Watch Triumph of the Will sometime. It won't make you a Nazi... but you'll understand.

We do get the revisionist version of Nazi Germany, most assuredly. It was a utopia in many ways.

[Sideburnious 0]

 

This year I've read a few books in English LOF(Lord Of The Flies) and Macbeth and both show that nobody is clearly evil.

They also show that neither William Shakespeare nor William Golding can write worth shit.

Ha yeah why are you reading Lord of the Flies in class if you're 19?? I read that when I was 14.

Yeah and I did Macbeth when I was like 16.

 

 

 

Is this like a "leg up" program your taking?

[Art Sandusky 0]

I blame the entirety of Germany for World War II and the Holocaust. Fuck them and their protestations of ignorance. Goebels orchestrated the Holocaust, Hitler used his powers as fuhrer and his oratoral skills to tell the Germans what they wanted to hear and they willfully listened. Only a tiny minority of them objected to the tide of evil sweeping over them; them majority eagerly choosing to go with the flow, looking for anyone but themselves to blame for their economic woes.

Hitler was evil, leading his like-minded followers. An entire nation of them.

Watch Triumph of the Will sometime. It won't make you a Nazi... but you'll understand.

We do get the revisionist version of Nazi Germany, most assuredly. It was a utopia in many ways.

Agreed. A real show of why even President Bush said "things would be a lot easier if we were a dictatorship." A lot of people attribute that to dumb things he's said, but it's actually spot-on. Nazi Germany was a showing of how efficient things could really be, even with a massive beauracracy.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I read it while I was in utero. Beat that.

I read it as a sperm!