Taker666 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2005 Classic JBL moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2005 Classic JBL moment Midcard comedy sure is a great way to push the world champion of a brand. As for: he is a strong heel champion whether the smarks admit it or not. sure he needs help to win alot, but thats totally old school booking there so its cool. when ever he loses the title it will mean alot more How is a strong heel champion ? He hasn't won a major match cleanly. Every major title match has had endless interference and none of them have had clean finishes. Someone explain to me how that could possible make a title or title holder credible ? That is also a major reason why beating JBL won't mean nearly as much as people seem to think it will, if it will mean anything at all. Look at who the new champion would be beating: a guy who never won a major match cleanly, has the same intererence schtick in every match, and, while he may be over when he talks, when it times come to wrestler, people at tapings have been walking out on the guy. I really would like someone to explain to me how the hell the WWE title means anything with not one clean finish in a major match for almost a year, and the same interference finish in every match of the current champion's reign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2005 all good heels eventually get face pops. JBL will have a face turn this year, you can probably bet on that. I agree, and it will be the end of his career, because they will force him to drop the stuff that made him popular in the first place. Unless, he can pull an Angle and turn heel again quick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2005 Is it just me, or is JBL getting his fair share of face pops lately? In Japan, they showed people dressed as Bradshaw. In Montreal, my cousin said their were alot of JBL fans in attendence. Japan probably gets more entertainment out of JBL than anybody, because they think about all Americans are loudmouthed, rude, gun-toting, drunken cowboys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 To me JBL is a strong heel in a difeerent way than the hhh beat everybody clean or with help way he has been shown to be able to be in the ring and keep up with guys like eddie, taker, and booker. though he has needed help to win, the fans seem to buy him as a viable me guy (though its difficult to judge cuz of sd being taped and all and the heat machine seems to be in full effect again) and at the very least they hate the guy and want to see him lose. Im not saying he should be the world champ, but if he had got the same persona and not been thrown in the main event scene, how would he have done in the midcard ? not very well. the title adds heat to him. It gives him a reason to be, a reason to cheat, a reason to surround himself with others to save his title. This is basically the same mold as a Flair or a HHH except they are better wrestlers (and in no way am I really comparing JBL as a wrestler to Flair). I think we need to get past the smark bias towards any wrestlers who "cant work" The point is to draw fans and PPV buys. however thats also the same area where JBL has come up lame. But I think it has a lot to do with smackdown being perceived as the inferior brand, and a lack of good opponents for JBL outside of Eddie or a cena or even an RVD when he was around. Im not advocating keeping the title on Bradshaw, but Im saying that it could be a lot worse. Imagine if he didnt have any heel charisma. just the generic APA bradshaw but fighting babyfaces wouldnt be too exciting. back to the topic at hand, SD is treated as an inferior show, so it gets that kind of reaction from fans. I dont know if they are any brand specific fans, just wwe fans who watch the shows cuz they like wrestling. and since sd seems dull, less will watch it and buy its ppvs. RAW draws more on PPV and TV due to the fact that it has a far better roster and a varied amount of top level and possible top level guys. It has the #1 heel in the WWE (Trips) the flavor of the month hot commmodity in Batista (well see if he has staying power) , old school guys like Flair and HBK, a better selection of midcarders , etc. and when it comes to drawing fans to the arena, well that may be different. cuz if youre a hardcore wwe fan you will go to any show that you can, no matter if its raw or sd or ppv or house show. at least thats what I believe The WWE title is technically the only stable title right now. we have seen only 7 title changes since the wwe title became sd exclusive, while the RAW title has seen 8 (if you count the recent title vacancy) however since hhhs long 9 month reign in 02-03 (from hbk to goldberg) the sd title is the only one that has stayed with one guy for 6 months. maybe we should be discussing why Vince now thinks that its a good idea to have a long reigning heel champion as opposed to a long reigning babyface champion like he always used to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 I think we need to get past the smark bias towards any wrestlers who "cant work" The tired line about 'smarks' being biased towards people who 'can't work' is both boring and untrue. 'Smarks' are like any group of fans, with varied tastes, and trying to generalize about what they like may allow for an unfunny joke to be made, but it's completely inaccurate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It add to what HTQ is saying, right now the Smark choice is Batista. Smarks like him for every reason other than pretty much his workrate. He is a big Haas who has 3 moves he does over and over and is trying to be the new Lesnar in the ring. But he is a pimp and is playing his role to as tee, and people love that shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It add to what HTQ is saying, right now the Smark choice is Batista. Smarks like him for every reason other than pretty much his workrate. He is a big Haas who has 3 moves he does over and over and is trying to be the new Lesnar in the ring. But he is a pimp and is playing his role to as tee, and people love that shit. well maybe the smark cards are turning huh? Batista is an interesting case isnt he? But im still pretty sure that the majority hate JBL because he is big guy who gets pushed only cuz he is a big guy , even if they wont admit it. anyhow it was all just my opinion dont get upset about it, you have the right to share your views too ok yikes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It add to what HTQ is saying, right now the Smark choice is Batista. Smarks like him for every reason other than pretty much his workrate. He is a big Haas who has 3 moves he does over and over and is trying to be the new Lesnar in the ring. But he is a pimp and is playing his role to as tee, and people love that shit. But im still pretty sure that the majority hate JBL because he is big guy who gets pushed only cuz he is a big guy , even if they wont admit it. If JBL was US champion, I don't think he'd be hated anywhere near the level he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It add to what HTQ is saying, right now the Smark choice is Batista. Smarks like him for every reason other than pretty much his workrate. He is a big Haas who has 3 moves he does over and over and is trying to be the new Lesnar in the ring. But he is a pimp and is playing his role to as tee, and people love that shit. But im still pretty sure that the majority hate JBL because he is big guy who gets pushed only cuz he is a big guy , even if they wont admit it. If JBL was US champion, I don't think he'd be hated anywhere near the level he is. That's because the US Title is turning into a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 SmackDown is always going to be viewed as the B show, because that's exactly what it was when it started. If WCW was still around, Thunder would still be their B show no matter how they tried to promote it. I seem to remember alot of things happening on Smackdown! when it first started: + Austin returning from knee injury + Arnold Schwarznegger appearing on Smackdown! + The WWE Title changing hands (to Vince McMahon though) + Austin appearing on Smackdown! days before Backlash and destroying the DX Express + Cactus Jack returning It seemed more important for awhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It add to what HTQ is saying, right now the Smark choice is Batista. Smarks like him for every reason other than pretty much his workrate. He is a big Haas who has 3 moves he does over and over and is trying to be the new Lesnar in the ring. But he is a pimp and is playing his role to as tee, and people love that shit. But im still pretty sure that the majority hate JBL because he is big guy who gets pushed only cuz he is a big guy , even if they wont admit it. If JBL was US champion, I don't think he'd be hated anywhere near the level he is. That's because the US Title is turning into a joke. Which fits the comedy orientated push of JBL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 Not to mention RAW has a bigger potential audience than SmackDown. I mean, do YOU know anyone who admits to watching UPN? Not really true, SmackDown has a bigger potential audience, since it's broadcast over the public airwaves to anyone in a major city with a TV, while Spike TV is only available through a cable or satellite provider. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kizzo 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 I seem to remember alot of things happening on Smackdown! when it first started: + Austin returning from knee injury + Arnold Schwarznegger appearing on Smackdown! + The WWE Title changing hands (to Vince McMahon though) + Austin appearing on Smackdown! days before Backlash and destroying the DX Express + Cactus Jack returning It seemed more important for awhile. In 99 and 2000 Smackdown was treated as an equal to RAW...but we need to know who was running the creative team back then....Vinnie Ru and Chris Kreski... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FromBeyondTheGrave Report post Posted February 14, 2005 Classic JBL moment Midcard comedy sure is a great way to push the world champion of a brand. But it's funnier, if used for the main champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It add to what HTQ is saying, right now the Smark choice is Batista. Smarks like him for every reason other than pretty much his workrate. He is a big Haas who has 3 moves he does over and over and is trying to be the new Lesnar in the ring. But he is a pimp and is playing his role to as tee, and people love that shit. But im still pretty sure that the majority hate JBL because he is big guy who gets pushed only cuz he is a big guy , even if they wont admit it. If JBL was US champion, I don't think he'd be hated anywhere near the level he is. Hell, I'd really love JBL as US Champion. It even fits his nationalistic character. Plus, secondary titles work much better for Honky Tonk Man-esque pushes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It add to what HTQ is saying, right now the Smark choice is Batista. Smarks like him for every reason other than pretty much his workrate. He is a big Haas who has 3 moves he does over and over and is trying to be the new Lesnar in the ring. But he is a pimp and is playing his role to as tee, and people love that shit. But im still pretty sure that the majority hate JBL because he is big guy who gets pushed only cuz he is a big guy , even if they wont admit it. If JBL was US champion, I don't think he'd be hated anywhere near the level he is. Hell, I'd really love JBL as US Champion. It even fits his nationalistic character. Plus, secondary titles work much better for Honky Tonk Man-esque pushes. Most people who hate the JBL push say the exact same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 JBL won me over as soon as I saw that the cowboy hat was sitting on top of the neck bracing. It doesn't take much to make me a fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted February 14, 2005 I seem to remember alot of things happening on Smackdown! when it first started: + Austin returning from knee injury + Arnold Schwarznegger appearing on Smackdown! + The WWE Title changing hands (to Vince McMahon though) + Austin appearing on Smackdown! days before Backlash and destroying the DX Express + Cactus Jack returning It seemed more important for awhile. In 99 and 2000 Smackdown was treated as an equal to RAW...but we need to know who was running the creative team back then....Vinnie Ru and Chris Kreski... I don't really think that was the case. I think it's more of a case of Vince wanting to establish Smackdown as a top show and recognizing the potential revenue he could make off having a network spot. As for why I think Vince favors RAW, whether subliminally or outright, is that he still sees it as the flagship show. I think that's why he put Triple H there after the initial attempts of trying to create parity between the two brands. All considered, Vinve really has nothing of the caliber of HHH and HBK on Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 Smackdown used to be thought of more highly when Brock Lesnar was the next big thing and being pushed heavily on it. Coincidently, it was also the same time that Steph was GM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 Well, if the wwe does the rumoured brand title switches with the wwe title to raw and the wht to smackdown what will people say then? I also think in the initial stages of the split that Vince favoured Smackdown because he was "owner" of the brand. That show seemed to have much more star power than RAW at the time. Don't forget about the company trying to make tv deals. They seem to stack the show that has the tv deal coming up. They got their smackdown deal and now are working on raw's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 Smackdown went into the crapper when Benoit went to RAW, Brock left, and Angle went out with injury. Those 3 guys left all at once and they didn't give them anyone else to compensate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 if Smackdown were live I'd watch it more... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haws bah gawd 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 I enjoy JBL's character. He brings me a lot of laughs. I just feel he has no right being anywhere close to a World Champion. I can easily see him with the US title, but I don't buy him for one second as a World Champion-level main eventer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It isn't exactly difficult to avoid spoilers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 Yeah, the show being live isn't that big of a priority, I don't read spoilers. But Smackdown just sounds bad every now and then with Cole and Tazz having to re-dub commentary. You can hear the difference easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 It isn't exactly difficult to avoid spoilers. that has nothing to do with why I would prefer for it to be live... live shows just feel more exciting...I dunno, it's hard to explain... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taker666 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 Hmm, well to me, its doesn't matter if SD! is live or not. the only thing that matters is if they put on a good show or not. and SD! has been putting on alot of good shows these past couple of week. better than Raw. Judging the show just by reading the spoilers isn't really fair, because alot of times the show comes off much better on TV than on a message board. Spoilers don't really ruin the show for me, because its not as good as actually watching it. I rather watch a Mysterio/Eddie match than read about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 a taped SD show always feels, i dont know DRY. its so heavily edited and homogenized that it comes thru your screen and reninds you its taped. and its different than watching an old tape or dvd. something about SD almost puts me to sleep while watching it. It has become almost a chore for me to watch, but I do anyway, I guess out of habit and/or blind loyalty to WWE. though I see Raw on a tape delay here on the west side, it still feels "live" and exciting. maybe its the set and colors for the ring I dont know. and as I said UPN has terible video and sound quality as opposed to Spiketv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2005 thanks Jericholic, you had the words I couldn't come up with at the time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
