Is the ROH world title

[Guest Deadbolt]

Two years ago I would have said no but im not so sure now. If you ask any indy fan too name 5 top title matches involving the ROH title they would have no problem naming them. The same question about the NWA title and im sure they would stuggle.

 

If the ROH title is not yet a bigger belt to win or a more imortant than the NWA one could it become a bigger belt in lets say 3 years time? I think it could. It wil never have the great history as the NWA title but my opinion that right now the ROH is BIGGER title to hold than the nwa title. Just my opinion.

 

What do you think?

[Guest Joe_G]

The NWA title has years and years of history and is featured on national television and pay-per-views for audiences many times larger than ROH.

 

Now, I think the ROH title is better booked and features better title defenses, but it's not "bigger."

[King Cucaracha 0]

Not bigger.

 

It's probably more prestigious, but in terms or international standing, the NWA Title is still higher. And it'll stay that way as far as historians are concerned. The only way I can see it becoming 'bigger' is if ROH organise high profile title defences around the world.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

The NWA World Title will probably always have some clout, just because of its history (as convoluted as that may be...hey, the WWE's World titles are both convoluted at this point...) and the fact that it is recognized by so many different promotions throughout the world. The same cannot be said for the ROH belt at this point.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Put it this way, New Japan was willing to pay a large chunk of coin for Hiroshi Tanahashi to get a run with the ROH Title.

 

The NWA Title has next to no prestige, value or credibility any more, and hasn't for years. The ROH belt, while not having the long history attached to it that the NWA Title has, does have the advantage of being more than a vanity plate for the owner of the company. The ROH belt is handled in a far far better manner than the NWA Title is now, and was handled at any point since 1990. And while the NWA Title is recognized by promotions around the world, so what ? What are they recognizing but the vanity belt for Jeff Jarrett to use to get himself over ?

[Styles 0]

It only took 4 replies, nice.

[JustJoe2k5 0]

The RoH World title will never be viewed as more prestigous than the NWA World title. Just look at the names of the people who have held both titles, Austin Aries, Samoa Joe, and Xavier don't compare to Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, and Sting. Jarrett could keep the title the rest of his life and it wouldn't ever drop below the RoH title in prestige. You think the casual wrestling fan would feel more for someone who comes to the ring wearing the RoH title at another company's show? However, someone goes to another show as the NWA World Champion and they are going to get some recognition.

[JustJoe2k5 0]

Double Post

[Youth N Asia 0]

When it's all said and done the NWA title will topple the ROH title, no question. But as of right now the NWA title is pretty meaningless.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

When TNA folds, what happens to the NWA title? I'd guess the ROH title would be bigger than whichever promotion got it.

[razazteca 0]

NWA last champions were: Jeff Jarrett, Ron Killings, AJ Styles, Ken Shamrock. ROH champions were: Austin Aries, Samoa Joe, and Xavier. Which is more important if you were only compairing the past 3 or so years?

[The Decemberists 0]

NWA.

 

It's on (inter)national TV every week.

[Guest OSIcon]

The ROH championship is booked a lot better currently and is booked more like a world title right now.

 

The NWA championship has more history behind it and obviously more people would recognize the NWA Championship over the ROH Championship.

 

The question is kind of silly without strictly defining what makes a title "more important" or "better". One could argue that the better championship at a certain point in time (ie. now) is the the championship that is being booked and presented the best. In that scenario, I would have a hard time buying an argument against the ROH championship. Most people here are going by historical importance or how many people "know" about the championship. If that is the criteria, than the NWA championship obviously comes out ahead.

[Jingus 0]

Half of the fans at TNA's shows have never even heard of ROH. I doubt that the reverse is true. That pretty much settles the argument.

 

Put it this way, New Japan was willing to pay a large chunk of coin for Hiroshi Tanahashi to get a run with the ROH Title.

But they were more than willing to make one of their top stars look like a worthless fool by letting Jarrett do run-in at that post-show press conference. Right after geriatric cripple Hulk Hogan had beaten Masa Chono at a big dome show, JJJ waffled Hogan with a guitar... and Hogan publicly blamed his subsequent knee injury on the two-second beating from Jarrett rather than his fifteen-minute match with Chono! All to set up a match that never happened. The whole deal made New Japan look like shit, yet they never really complained as far as I heard.

[bob_barron 0]

Half of the fans at TNA's shows have never even heard of ROH. I doubt that the reverse is true. That pretty much settles the argument.

Not really no.

 

The NWA Title has more history but given the booking of the ROH Title since Joe's win in March 2003- it now has a lot more prestige and importance then anyone would've imagined.

 

If/when Jarrett loses- I don't think it will be as big as when Aries beat Joe.

[IWD 0]

Just look at the names of the people who have held both titles, Austin Aries, Samoa Joe, and Xavier don't compare to Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, and Sting.

 

On a technicality, Hogan and Savage never held the NWA title. They held the WCW title.

 

Cheers.

[Guest Deviant]

NWA title is bigger. ROH title is better.

[Guest Professor X]

The last time Hogan apeared he was ambushed by Jarrett and left a bloody mess. Am I right ? How about Hogans revenge on WWE PPV?

 

Then Hogan drops the belt to AJ Style on TNA's PPV. We can always dream!!

[Youth N Asia 0]

Does Jarrett defend the title anywhere outside of a show he can't book himself?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Does Jarrett defend the title anywhere outside of a show he can't book himself?

He has a title defence against Dusty Rhodes on some NWA card coming up in the next couple of weeks.

[Slickster 0]

How much does it cost to book the NWA champ, anyway?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

How much does it cost to book the NWA champ, anyway?

4 rocks of crack, and a fresh glass pipe.

[Youth N Asia 0]

The champ, not the snake

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I was talking about the champ.

[Some Guy 0]

The RoH World title will never be viewed as more prestigous than the NWA World title. Just look at the names of the people who have held both titles, Austin Aries, Samoa Joe, and Xavier don't compare to Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, and Sting.

I must have missed Hogan and Savage's runs with the NWA title. They both held the WWF and WCW belts nut not the NWA title. Either way I sort of question ROH's status as a World Title. I'm guessing that maybe 500,000 people in the whole country know who they are and not to sound jingoistic but if you aren't even recognized in your company's home base of America then you aren't a "world title."

 

The NWA strap is more prestigious. Put it this way. I have seen the NWA champ on TV and I've never seen Samoa Joe or Austin Airies ever. I did consider ECW to have a world title because they had a TV show and a legitimate following across the country and in Japan. ROH, as much as some may love it (I can't coment on it's quality, as a I've never seen it) has barely crossed over to being relevant in the wrestling world.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

For newer fans, aware of both products, the ROH has more prestige, because it's both being booked far better than the NWA Title, and it isn't a vanity belt for the owner of the promotion. I'd say the older the fan, and the more they've seen of the NWA pre-1990, the more they would tend to value the NWA Title over the ROH Title. However, if you want to see how prestigious both titles are seen by other promotions, at least overseas ones, I will once again point out that New Japan were willing pay a lot of money for Hiroshi Tanahsahi to get a run with the ROH Title. They had no such designs for trying to pay for one of their guys to get an NWA Title run, and we're not talking about some minor promotion; New Japan has long links with the NWA and the NWA Title, and the fact that they were willing to pay for one of their guys to get a run with the ROH Title but not the NWA Title, shows you which belt means more to them.

 

It should be pointed out that all 'World' Title are no more than company titles as, with rare exceptions, nobody outside of a particular company holds their version of the 'World' Title.

[Some Guy 0]

It should be pointed out that all 'World' Title are no more than company titles as, with rare exceptions, nobody outside of a particular company holds their version of the 'World' Title.

The way I define "world title" is one that is recognized around the world. ROH's title is not recognized in America for the most part. WWE has two word titles, NWA has one, ECW had one, WCW had one, All Japan and New Japan have theirs. Other than that, I can't think of anymore within the last 15 years.

 

New Japan paying for a run might have more to do with the style of work in ROH vs. TNA. TNA's heavyweight division does a worse version of WWE style and from what I understand ROH works a very Japanese type style.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

When was the Triple Crown ever recognized outside of Japan ? Neither the TC or IWGP Titles have ever been defended outside of Japan.

 

If New Japan felt the NWA Title had any prestige to it, they would have made a play for one of their guys to get a run with it. The NWA Title is, or was, held in very high esteem in Japan, and if New Japan felt the belt was still worth it, they absolutely would have made a play for it.

[Some Guy 0]

When was the Triple Crown ever recognized outside of Japan ? Neither the TC or IWGP Titles have ever been defended outside of Japan.

 

If New Japan felt the NWA Title had any prestige to it, they would have made a play for one of their guys to get a run with it. The NWA Title is, or was, held in very high esteem in Japan, and if New Japan felt the belt was still worth it, they absolutely would have made a play for it.

I'm pretty sure that several clips of the IWGP title being defended were aired on WCW TV and that the title itself was defended there.

 

As far as All japan, now that I think of it you're right. New Japan was the only title mentioned on WCW TV.

 

Are you sure that NJPW didn't try to get the NWA title and were told no? If I were in JJ's shoes and was trying to sell a PPV every week or one a month, I don't think I'd put the NWA title on someone who nobody in America has heard of. Whether it would have made a difference in the buys is arguable but I wouldn't have.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I'm pretty sure that several clips of the IWGP title being defended were aired on WCW TV and that the title itself was defended there.

 

As far as All japan, now that I think of it you're right. New Japan was the only title mentioned on WCW TV.

 

Are you sure that NJPW didn't try to get the NWA title and were told no? If I were in JJ's shoes and was trying to sell a PPV every week or one a month, I don't think I'd put the NWA title on someone who nobody in America has heard of. Whether it would have made a difference in the buys is arguable but I wouldn't have.

I don't recall any IWGP Title defences in WCW. I know the tag titles were defended their once, but that was only because the Steiners had them at the time, and had nothing to do with the how prestigious the title were.

 

If New Japan wanted one of their guys to get a run with the NWA Title, it would have made some sort of headlines on the usual Puro sites, and nothing like that ever came up.