Orton's RAW promo

[jester 0]

Its really resonating with me now how totally wrong the RKO of Stacy was.

 

First of all, Orton walked away looking remorseful like a total pussy afterwards.

 

Second, JR saying "If he'd do that to his own girlfriend, imagine what he'll do to the Undertaker" (or words to that effect) was possibly the dumbest thing JR could have possibly said at that moment.

 

Now, if he'd RKO'd Stacy, and been all happy about it, and JR had sold it as "If that's how merciless he gets when he thinks people doubt him, then the Undertaker's streak might be in danger after all!"

I would have had Orton claim that the reason he can beat the Undertaker is because he is willing to do anything to get the win. Anything. He will sell his soul, there is no depth to which he won't sink.

 

"Let me demonstrate," he says. Stacy eats an RKO. "See? I don't care who I hurt, I don't care what bridges I have to burn, I don't care what lines I have to cross. I will do anything to take Undertaker down."

[SuperJerk 0]

Its really resonating with me now how totally wrong the RKO of Stacy was.

 

First of all, Orton walked away looking remorseful like a total pussy afterwards.

 

Second, JR saying "If he'd do that to his own girlfriend, imagine what he'll do to the Undertaker" (or words to that effect) was possibly the dumbest thing JR could have possibly said at that moment.

 

Now, if he'd RKO'd Stacy, and been all happy about it, and JR had sold it as "If that's how merciless he gets when he thinks people doubt him, then the Undertaker's streak might be in danger after all!"

I would have had Orton claim that the reason he can beat the Undertaker is because he is willing to do anything to get the win. Anything. He will sell his soul, there is no depth to which he won't sink.

 

"Let me demonstrate," he says. Stacy eats an RKO. "See? I don't care who I hurt, I don't care what bridges I have to burn, I don't care what lines I have to cross. I will do anything to take Undertaker down."

Yes, that'd have been even better!

[Exslade ZX 0]

Its really resonating with me now how totally wrong the RKO of Stacy was.

 

First of all, Orton walked away looking remorseful like a total pussy afterwards.

 

Second, JR saying "If he'd do that to his own girlfriend, imagine what he'll do to the Undertaker" (or words to that effect) was possibly the dumbest thing JR could have possibly said at that moment.

 

Now, if he'd RKO'd Stacy, and been all happy about it, and JR had sold it as "If that's how merciless he gets when he thinks people doubt him, then the Undertaker's streak might be in danger after all!"

I would have had Orton claim that the reason he can beat the Undertaker is because he is willing to do anything to get the win. Anything. He will sell his soul, there is no depth to which he won't sink.

 

"Let me demonstrate," he says. Stacy eats an RKO. "See? I don't care who I hurt, I don't care what bridges I have to burn, I don't care what lines I have to cross. I will do anything to take Undertaker down."

Yes, that'd have been even better!

IMO it wouldn't. And the 'Let me demonstrate' would just give it away (but it'd be seconds before he did it...so I guess it wouldn't really matter).

 

But I thought the way he did it was fine, heck, I thought it was pretty much perfect, with the only problem of course being the look of remorse. Let JR doing the selling. We all know the job he does at that. And Orton should have just walked away smiling.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Orton doesn't HAVE to win to be "put over". It can be an extremely hard fought match, tons of close pinfalls, a ref bump where Orton probably would have pinned UT, then after a little more fighting UT eventually wins. After a match like that the crowd will probably have some respect for Orton.. UT gets to keep his streak, Orton gets to take time off for his shoulder, and have a lot of hype surrounding his return.

Yes. And it would benefit him a lot more than going over Taker first. Make it close the first time, and then he can go over in the rematch after the fans are more accepting of him.

 

Batista was getting cheered long before the HHH feud. He was starting to get really over when he was feuding with Jericho & Edge in the summer. Just watch the Summerslam match. I know at Vengeance, I couldn't wait for Batista to kick Jericho's teeth in.

 

Batista isn't a great wrestler, and I don't think he's even as good as Orton, but he's top 5 in the company when it comes to charisma, which is certainly a lot better than Orton. I would actually rank him at #4 after JBL, Cena & Angle, which would make him the most charismatic wrestler on RAW. That's why the fans are taking to him, rather than Orton.

[Some Guy 0]

Eddy, HBK, and Rey are all more charismatic than Batista as well as Cena, JBL, Angle, HHH, and Booker T.

 

And that Ric Flair guy has a little charisma too.

[cabbageboy 0]

I agree with what was said. Orton absolutely should not end the streak at WM but should get to kick out of the Tombstone once, kick out of the chokeslam, last ride, etc. Just have UT unload the whole arsenal on him, maybe have UT kick out of an RKO....just overbook it all to hell (in a good way). Then in the end Orton finally goes down to the legend, but the fans respect the hell out of his effort.

 

After this Orton can perhaps move to SMDN and continue the feud, where he would then get a big win over UT at another PPV.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Why do so many people defend this guy? He did a few cool backstage segments with HHH and looks cool in a suit? I don't get it.

OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HE'S PIMPTISTA!!!!!!!!!

[SuperJerk 0]

But I thought the way he did it was fine, heck, I thought it was pretty much perfect, with the only problem of course being the look of remorse. Let JR doing the selling. We all know the job he does at that. And Orton should have just walked away smiling.

Yeah, that damn look of remorse totally vaginafied him.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Sad fact is I really thought Orton was gonna start to cry, or run back down there and help her.

[DMann2003 0]

Strawman argument. We're saying he's getting midcard reactions when he should be getting more. Which is what I already said.

Actually..and don't quote me on this, because it might not have been you, but 'people' were saying that only some girls in the audience were cheering for him. And that's it. And to my knowledge thats not 'a midcard reaction'.

 

Some guys don't have to be great workers to click with fans (Hogan, Sid in 91/96 anyone?). Bottom line, if it'll make WWE money, push him and don't half ass it.

So basically, you're saying, push Orton? Orton has, and is still making money for WWE. Like a few said in this thread about when they went to house/live shows when he was still getting big reactions, everyone and their brother had a Legend Killer shirt. Even now, his Randy Wear is selling like crazy. (Which even amazes me >_>). So, he's making the WWE money. And well, he doesn't have to be a great worker to connect with the fans...so, push Orton.

 

Which is what they may...do (or not if he really is injured), and they 'wont half ass it' by putting him over Taker. That may actually be what he needs to springboard him. I mean, if he does break the streak. He can go back to the Orton that got over. Although it may get annoying, he could pretty much brag about it every week, and spit in everyone's face (although not literally this time >_>) But I guess we'll just have to wait and see before we should be complaining..

For the record, you've confused me with other posters in this thread. My post was exclusively about Batista, in response to the "Guys only like Batista" cause of his suit. I didn't say, nor implied, one thing about Orton. And for the record, I happen to be a fan of Orton, moreso if he goes back to being a dickish heel, so don't assume I was saying Orton won't make money for the company, and therefore shouldn't be pushed. In your rush to make your case you mixed up my comments with others. Don't do that.

 

I say push both Orton and Batista, if it'll draw and be successful.

[Guest Trivia247]

heh maybe that was that left over face material he demanded to keep when he took on the Undertaker. Imagine if you will, Orton all this time still wanting to be the good guy, but even though its not workable given what he is officially trying to do, he doesn't care. Imagine he has a earpiece with someone like Vince or JR going over his lines, as sometimes they do from the back. and then Vince goes...RKO her DO IT!! DO IT!!! and Randy does it, but then that faceness comesout again feeling sorry about doing it, but its his character.

[Guest Ransome]

Orton doesn't HAVE to win to be "put over".  It can be an extremely hard fought match, tons of close pinfalls, a ref bump where Orton probably would have pinned UT, then after a little more fighting UT eventually wins. After a match like that the crowd will probably have some respect for Orton.. UT gets to keep his streak, Orton gets to take time off for his shoulder, and have a lot of hype surrounding his return.

Personally, I think this is excessively optimistic thinking.

 

Unless they booked it just right (and when's the last time they've done that?), Orton will leave the arena with his tail between his legs. I can't see him getting face or heel heat from losing to UT; he'd just be the whiny lil' bitch that got shut up by a 47year old, which I can't see him ever recovering from. Why fuck up the future of a surefire star at the expense of the one wrestler that has remained over solely because of putting over less stars that I could count on one hand in the past 15 years?

 

It might be different if they'd built the feud upon something stronger than "I respect you, man! But I'm not afraid of you!". Still, I can't believe people seem to truly think Orton's career would tank if he ends UT's streak. At least he'd have done something to brag about that makes people sit up and take notice. Screw everybody who thinks UT's streak has to be preserved because it's so 'special' and 'pure' - this is wrestling, which has to be built around older stars gracefully giving up their spotlight for newer stars or else how will it ever make progress?

[Black Lushus 0]

if they do job Orton at WM, they need to at least make it look like UT barely beat him, that way Orton DOESN'T lose much with the loss...

[Guest Deadbolt]

Taker's WM streak is one of those things that just shouldn't be broken. He should end his career undefeated at WM. It's more than just a number to me, it's one of the few things in wrestling that has a true meaning anymore. For them to put Orton over Taker at WM, it shits on one of the only things that is "pure" in WWE anymore.

 

Look at Road Dogg and X-Pac during 2000. They were getting huge amounts of X-Pac heat as even marks were getting sick of them going over every young tag team there was.

 

It's the same thing with Orton. Fans will turn on him for ending the only special thing left in wrestling. They will only accept the next big thing beating the Undertaker at Wrestlemania and even the marks know that Orton isn't anything special by this point.

 

I share your sentiment, but can you honestly tell me the last time the WWE writers did *anything* that made sense?

[Guest Shadow]

 

It's the same thing with Orton. Fans will turn on him for ending the only special thing left in wrestling. They will only accept the next big thing beating the Undertaker at Wrestlemania and even the marks know that Orton isn't anything special by this point.

 

I share your sentiment, but can you honestly tell me the last time the WWE writers did *anything* that made sense?

scraping the orton/hunter program.

[Guest Trivia247]

they will grind up anyone or anything it takes to Make Randy Orton look like a Credible main eventer. For some reason people jump on this bandwagon so easily, where as he had two to three years in the official WWE wrestling spotlight, wrestlers like Edge and others who were into their three years in weren't shooting for World championship, hell Edge was barely at the IC range.

 

They had their one shot in making orton credible as a Main eventer when he took down benoit for the World championship, Benoit who finally got his break but have been given the legitmacy of a Main eventer before then was screwed and tainted because even as Benoit was champion HHH demanded his spot at the Main event slot, and at PPV's it was HHH in the last Match where Benoit was shouldered with that lame "Double main event" position created back in the days of Hogan where Hogan wasn't the champ but still Main evented. So beating Benoit while to us maybe a monumental thing, the HHH crap at the top kinda shits all over the top spot of a Champion. And of course HHH swoops in and Retakes the title off of Orton fairly easy. then we have the Randy vs HHH saga which leads to no where but Orton looking less and less like a Credible contender or Credible Main eventer

 

What I think about is the aftermath of this. After Orton spends the next couple of weeks ranting about his win over the Taker, then what? What does this get him? This isn't a Hogan vs Andre situation, since Hogan was already a Main eventer megastar and Andre in his decline, a loss to Hogan elevated Hogan some but it didn't damage Andre's own career. Does Orton get in Line for a world championship shot? Is that whats going to happen? Is Orton suppose to be the next Rock? where we just assume him the main event status and thats the end of the arguement? Does he go over Batista because he beat Undertaker. and what if orton doesn't go over???? then what? They go and put a 1 in the loss collum for the Undertaker and Orton cannot deliever after the gift they give him.....Then what?

[iggymcfly 0]

Actually, I think Orton and Batista could have a great World Title feud after Orton beating Taker at Mania, even trading the belt back and forth like Rock and HHH in 2000.

 

However, if Orton's hurt, that kind of screws the whole idea. Really, if he's going to down with an injury, it would be terrible timing to end Taker's streak, as a ton of the heat will be gone by the time he comes back.

 

The way I'd do it, is work the injury into the story of the match, so that Orton dominates the bulk of the match, but then sustains some "fluke injury" which Taker is able to take advantage of in order to get the win.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Eddy, HBK, and Rey are all more charismatic than Batista as well as Cena, JBL, Angle, HHH, and Booker T.

 

And that Ric Flair guy has a little charisma too.

Eddy & Rey have a lot of charisma, but a lot of their appeal is also based on their in-ring ability. I don't think their charisma alone is better than Batista's, certainly not Rey anyways. Eddy maybe.

 

HHH has the ability, but he's been on top for so long that fans are just bored of him. He if really tried, I think he could be up there, but he isn't at the moment.

 

Ric Flair & HBK are in the same boat. They used to have charisma flowing out of their every pour, but they are just too old now and don't have the appeal that they used to. Flair especially is more of a ranting old lunatic than he is the charismatic ladies man of old. Shawn has started down that path too, although Flair is still a ways off in the distance.

 

Booker isn't even close.

 

I'm actually surprised you didn't mention Jericho.

[CanadianChick 0]

If he didn't mention Jericho, I will. And I know it's not the most popular opinion, but I think RVD has just as much charisma as Batista, if not more.

[iggymcfly 0]

Here's a proper charisma listing in the WWE as of right now:

 

1. Kurt Angle

2. Batista

3. Chris Jericho

4. Shawn Michaels

5. Undertaker

6. JBL

7. Ric Flair

8. Eric Bischoff

9. Triple H

10. Eddie Guerrero

 

Cena's stuff is great for the small minority of young marks that will actually buy merchandise, but for the general fanbase, he's gotten too stale to be considered a top ten guy. Booker T is a terrible actor, and has very little charisma compared to even the Smackdown roster. I really can't see how he got mentioned.

 

Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Undertaker, Ric Flair, and even HHH all have more natural charisma than Batista, but really aren't putting in the effort at this point. Jericho only goes for the easy joke now, whereas Shawn seemingly hasn't taken a feud seriously since his first couple go-rounds with HHH.

 

At this point, Batista and Angle are the only ones that can really make it seem like what they're doing matters, and that seem clever enough that you'll tune in to see them. JBL and Eddie's stuff can be funny, but it seems more like midcard joke stuff than Batista's instant badass type of charisma.

 

One last clarification, this is based on what they're doing with their character right now. There's a time when RVD would have been Top 5, and there's a time when Edge and Christian would have been Top 3, but based on what they've done recently, this is how I feel they should be ranked.

[SuperJerk 0]

Sad fact is I really thought Orton was gonna start to cry, or run back down there and help her.

You're not the only one.

[alfdogg 0]

Booker T is a terrible actor, and has very little charisma compared to even the Smackdown roster. I really can't see how he got mentioned.

Because some of us don't possess the blind hatred of him that you do?

[Boon 0]

Booker T is a terrible actor, and has very little charisma compared to even the Smackdown roster. I really can't see how he got mentioned.

Because some of us don't possess the blind hatred of him that you do?

It's not blind hatred if the guy legitimately sucks.

[alfdogg 0]

Except he doesn't legitimately suck.

[SuperJerk 0]

Booker's past his prime, but he can still fire up a crowd and work a competent match.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Here's a proper charisma listing in the WWE as of right now:

 

1. Kurt Angle

2. Batista

3. Chris Jericho

4. Shawn Michaels

5. Undertaker

6. JBL

7. Ric Flair

8. Eric Bischoff

9. Triple H

10. Eddie Guerrero

HHH has more charisma than Batista, don't kid yourself.

[Black Lushus 0]

saying Booker T sucks is absolutely absurd...

[iggymcfly 0]

Well, I'll admit that my feelings about Booker T's charisma might be swayed a little bit by the fact that he has the most boring matches in the WWE, but saying that he's one of the top 20 most charismatic workers is pretty much indefensible.

 

He has a couple of catchphrases that have gotten over, but aside from that he has 5 interviews that miss the mark completely for every one that's a little bit funny or clever. Basically, he has to be fed an absolutely perfect line to not mess it up, and every time he has to improvise, he looks more like a rookie straight out of OVW than someone that's been wrestling on television for over ten years.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Here's a proper charisma listing in the WWE as of right now:

 

1. Kurt Angle

2. Batista

3. Chris Jericho

4. Shawn Michaels

5. Undertaker

6. JBL

7. Ric Flair

8. Eric Bischoff

9. Triple H

10. Eddie Guerrero

HHH has more charisma than Batista, don't kid yourself.

WTF?

 

Since when did Batista having charisma even become an arguement? I thought it was that he looked good in a suit. But being able to smirk real well...does not constitute charisma.

 

You rated him above Jericho, Michaels, JBL (who's gotten over pretty much on his charisma) WTF? For one Batista's had what? 1 month on his own, where he doesn't just stand in the background. So I doubt that's sufficient time to say he has great charisma. And 2, the 1 month that he has had on his own, his promos haven't been that great. He was good at the little subtle smirks, and jabs at HHH...but that definitely doesn't make him #2 in the WWE with charisma.

[The Czech Republic 0]

   

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