Orton's RAW promo

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I think Takers big loss should be to a new, young, champion. Someone mentioned Andre and this is similar. Going in, it will be Taker who has all the momentum because of his WM streak, which means when the young champ beats him, it will give him legitimacy.

[AndrewTS 0]

Ehhhh...... Edge is pushing it a little too but I could accept that a lot more than Orton.

Well, I still think the streak should stay intact. But there is a lot more upside there. And Edge is a much better wrestler than Orton, so the Batista argument doesn't hold up either.

My main disagreement is Edge doesn't need that kind of push. A few wins over HBK and he's ready to headline.

 

Brock Lesnar would've been acceptable during his time with the company. John Cena I think could pull off the win if his character was tweaked. Other than that there's not anyone I can think of on the roster who has enough potential right now.

Good point.

 

Orton "needs" the win because he's incapable of getting himself over by other means. He's not a good enough wrestler, he doesn't have a good enough character, he doesn't have the charisma, he doesn't have the right look.

 

So let WWE shove him onto the motorcyle without a helmet before he's even stopped using the training wheels on his bike. If he rides the hog well, it was worth it. If he falls off and is smeared onto the street, well, they can always dust him off put him in the midcard and give him the Annual Complimentary Billy Gunn Push to see if anyone bites.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Batista is over.  Orton isn't.

Orton will me over after WM

 

Batitsa wont be.

 

 

Think ahead, not in the present.

I am. And it isn't looking good for Orton there either.

[AndrewTS 0]

Batista is over.  Orton isn't.

Orton will me over after WM

 

Batitsa wont be.

 

 

Think ahead, not in the present.

Do they have any legends waiting in the wings to give him another heat injection come next WM?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Batista is over.  Orton isn't.

Orton will me over after WM

 

Batitsa wont be.

 

 

Think ahead, not in the present.

Do they have any legends waiting in the wings to give him another heat injection come next WM?

Hulk Hogan?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Batista is over.  Orton isn't.

Orton will be over after WM if he beats Taker.

 

Batitsa wont be, no matter what.

 

 

Think ahead, not in the present.

Actually this is the short sighted version of things. Where's the heat Orton got from Foley? It's gone. So why would he retain any heat from beating Undertaker?

 

The Undertaker loss should be to a can't miss prospect. Orton is nowhere near that.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Batista is over.  Orton isn't.

Orton will me over after WM

 

Batitsa wont be.

 

 

Think ahead, not in the present.

Do they have any legends waiting in the wings to give him another heat injection come next WM?

Hulk Hogan?

I heard they were going to dig up Andre's corpse and put Orton over him next year.

[Guest Rrrsh]

As a heel (which he will be and is now) his reaction will be killer. You know, like it was before HHH undercut him and forced hin into being a face when clearly the fans wanted to still boo him.

 

Remember that? Yah, he was VERY over then. And will be after WM and forever more.

[AndrewTS 0]

Batista is over.  Orton isn't.

Orton will be over after WM if he beats Taker.

 

Batitsa wont be, no matter what.

 

 

Think ahead, not in the present.

Actually this is the short sighted version of things. Where's the heat Orton got from Foley? It's gone. So why would he retain any heat from beating Undertaker?

He's young.

He's the future.

He's got 20 years.

[naiwf 0]

Batista is only over because of his storyline with HHH. The second Mania is over, win or lose, it will all be over and the WWE will be stuck with, if he wins, an unover champion who can't even compensate by having matches anything even close to good.

Sort of how things were when Orton beat Benoit for the belt, only with a guy who the fans WANT to see win the title in the first place huh?

[DMann2003 0]

I'm of the camp that the Undertaker's WM streak means little to my overall enjoyment of history of the business. And if Orton makes a return to his heelish dick-young gun persona, I won't be dissappointed to see him win (I do own a "Randy Orton Legend Killer Tour" T-shirt)

[Guest CronoT]

When he came on camera with his backstage segement with Stacy I heard the crowd cheering. When Orton came out to the ring I heard the crowd cheering at least at the same volume that they were cheering for Jerico for his tag match.

If you were really listening, you would have heard it was all horny chicks cheering for Orton.

 

Besides, WWE already made Orton's shirt with him beating Undertaker check marked on the back. 

 

HAHAHAHAHA! I laugh at your ignorance! (j/k)

The chances of that shirt meaning Orton's winning the match is about 1 million to 1.

 

By the way, I missed Randy's World Title run. How bad was it really? Had he stayed heel would it have turned out differently?

 

Imagine if Greg "The Hammer" Valentine won the World Title. Or Billy Kidman. Or Tyson Tomko.

 

Did WWE pull the plug on Orton too soon; in effect killing what ever heat he might have been able to build with a more credible run? Hell, they gave JBL what, 8 months now? Surely Orton was getting as good if not better reaction than JBL, right?

 

Smackdown! is the B-Show, so most people honestly don't care about it anymore. That's why JBL has been the champ so long.

[Downhome 0]

The Lita thing aside, I'd probably still be apprehensive about it, because I don't think Edge is exactly deserving of it either.  However, yes, I'd be less opposed.

Same here.

 

I don't think the streak should ever end, for the reasons I stated earlier in the thread. It's not because I'm a Taker mark, it's just because it's one of the few things that still mean something in WWE.

 

However, if they decided for some reason to end it, I would be more OK with it if it was Edge, even though I hate the guy.

 

If someone does do it, it should be someone who would go on to be a huge superstar for years to come, without a doubt. Someone like an Austin or a Rocky. If Taker had had a WM streak like this, back when Austin and Rocky were just starting to bust out into superstars, then I would have been OK with them doing so.

 

There simply isn't anyone around who is on that level, there isn't really a "right guy" to feed something that important. Like someone said, IF Taker finally jobs at a WM, it should be on the level of Hogan defeating Andre.

 

Orton is not on that level, Edge is not on that level, no one is on that sort of level. There are only a few people, who are currently in WWE, who I could see reaching that point:

 

-John Cena (I hate the guy, but he is over. The only problem here is that I don't think he'll be able to keep everything he has going for him right now up, he's already getting stale in my eyes. Besides, can you see Taker falling to that shitty FU?)

 

-Eddie Guerrero (If worked just right, Eddie could reach a level that few people ever do. It wont happen, but it's more possible than an Orton or Edge.)

 

-The Big Show (This guy has been around for a while, but he's still young. Again, given the right push, he could be the sort of monster and gimmick that people would actually buy as the one who ended Taker's streak. It wouldn't be able to happen now, or even months from now, but it would be possible.)

 

-Batista (This guy is the next Goldberg in terms of being over. I don't care what any of you say, this guy is over now...and he's going to be over from here on out. The only thing that can hurt him now is a VERY shitty angle or a major injury. If WWE played their cards right, and had him face Taker next year, I'd be more than OK with Batista taking out Taker.)

 

-Chris Jericho (This is a lot like Eddie in my eyes. He could reach that level, but it will never happen.)

 

 

There are others who I'd like to mention like Angle and Kane, but those wouldn't work for a million reasons. Kurt Angle looks like he's already heading towards the end of his career, so that is out. As for Kane, he is the logical choice to be the guy to end Taker's streak. He's Taker's "brother", they have a long history together, and who better to take out the Dead Man than another of the same kind, another sort of monster. But they've shit all over that one too many times. No one would ever buy Kane ending Taker's streak anymore.

 

My pick would be Batista if I had to pick someone though. If I had to pick someone to end the streak, who I feel is able to rise to the level that would be needed, yeah, he'd be the pony that I'd bet on. I'd have him win the title, and just power over everyone he faces. Then, finally, Taker steps up to try and stop Batista. However, Batista is able to defeat Taker in "the biggest match of his career". It'd be something like Hogan defeating Andre. The new champion defeating the monster, the giant, the legend, proving once and for all that his time is over, and a new time has begun.

[4hartthreat 0]

Wow, a note to all aspiring hosses out there, wear a nice suit and some cool sunglasses and you'll somehow win over the internet crowd to the point where they think you should win the title in the main event of a WM or end Taker's streak or hell why not just do both and kill two birds with one stone....

 

I'm glad at least some others here realize that once Mania ends so will Batista's "overness." Just let H do what he does and move on to someone who might be able to do something with a win over him.

 

And for those that keep saying Orton was given the "god" push and never got over, that is complete bullshit. When he was in Evolution with the IC title he DID get over. He was so over that when he faced Benoit for the title in Canada the fans were pulling for Orton instead of their fellow Canadian. The WWE bothced his push by not only turning him face the very next night, but then they jobbed him out to HHH at the very next ppv and then for months just kept making him H's bitch. The return to his heel ways and a win over Taker at Mania could get him right back to where he should be and help push him beyond that.

[CBright7831 0]

Batista is over.  Orton isn't.

Orton will me over after WM

 

Batitsa wont be.

 

 

Think ahead, not in the present.

Do they have any legends waiting in the wings to give him another heat injection come next WM?

They could use Jimmy Snuka since Taker beat him at Mania also.

 

EDIT - Er wait! I, for some unknown reason, thought you said next week, not next WM.

[Downhome 0]

Wow, a note to all aspiring hosses out there, wear a nice suit and some cool sunglasses and you'll somehow win over the internet crowd...

Many may have just started to like the guy, but the moment I saw him debut I knew that he was going to go all the way. I even wrote something on Batista, and his future, not too long after I first saw him debut. He's simply "got it", I knew it from the start.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I think Takers big loss should be to a new, young, champion. Someone mentioned Andre and this is similar. Going in, it will be Taker who has all the momentum because of his WM streak, which means when the young champ beats him, it will give him legitimacy.

 

I think the ideal way for the streak to end would be to have 'Taker vanish for a few months, then he makes a comeback in the rumble, and cleans house. Then he does exactly what you sez.

[Taker666 0]

Smackdown! is the B-Show, so most people honestly don't care about it anymore. That's why JBL has been the champ so long.

Wow, you don't honestly think thats a good reason why JBL has had a long reign do you?

 

JBL was loads more a much better Champion than Orton ever was. he made the WWE Title look credible, and was(and is) tons more entertaining than Orton wrestling wise and personality wise. while Orton was just rushed to the title. looses the IC title, wins a battle Royal, has one tag match with Benoit, wins the World Title. talk about rushing it. Orton wa a horrible Champion bar none.

 

and for the record. SmackDown! > Raw. and has been sence last last year.

[UZI Suicide 0]

I don't understand why people think Batista's popularity will all of the sudden be gone when he isn't feuding with Triple H. Everyone complains about wrestler's who get the "god push" and get forced down our throats until they eventually get heat.

 

Well Batista is the total opposite of that, his character has been developed in a amazingly well written, long drawn out storyline that has captured the fans attention. I don't understand why anyone would think that's just going to go away after WM.

 

Look at Chris Benoit after his big feud with Triple H, ever since his title run, even though he's really done nothing of note, he still gets HUGE face pops every week. He is 10x more popular than he was before the title run.

 

Now you put a guy in there like Batista who is big, has a great look, tons of charisma, a good character, I don't see why he won't become a huge star.

[Guest Rrrsh]

He won't be big after WM because everything that the marks like about him is linked to HHH. His charisma is limited and far from great. He is aweful in the ring, and when he has last in the ring at PPV's, fans will get bored of him. His promo skills are TERRIBLE and has yet to get over without HHH directly being apart of him. His charicter is strating to die a terrible death the week after the Powerbomb threw the table.

 

That, and, HHH will win at WM. Not good when someone billed as an animal loses. No sympathy and he turns into Goldberg last December.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Everything the marks like about him isn't linked to Triple H. They like him for the same reason they liked Brock Lesnar, because depsite what we think about their technical skills, etc. They love those big guys with all the power moves. That's what they want to see. Lesnar was obviously a better wrestler than Batista is but their main offense was the same type of "high impact" power moves. Combine that with a character who while being a big "animal" is also smart, not just the big dumb goof who goes after everyone, and it's gold.

 

Character dying? His character is bigger than ever. All the house show reports that we see talk about how Batista always gets far and away the biggest pops, we see it on RAW every week. As far as being on the mic, he may not be able to go out and give a 15 minute promo every week, but I think he's decent enough. He's not Arn Anderson, but he's not Chris Benoit either. He's good enough.

 

That, and, HHH will win at WM. Not good when someone billed as an animal loses. No sympathy and he turns into Goldberg last December.

 

Triple H isn't going to win at Wrestlemania.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I am not saying he dosn't get pops. I am saying that as a charicter, since the Powerbomb threw the table, he has done nothing. His promo the week after was JUST BRUTAL and since has just walked and talked in very small amounts.

 

Plus Benoit kills him on the mic.

[UZI Suicide 0]

He is much better on the mic than Benoit is.

 

I don't see how you can say he's done nothing. What exactly did you expect him to do? Considering that having him get into a fight with HHH every week would sort of kill the "aura" of the WM match, I'd say they've handled him extremely well.

[Guest Rrrsh]

He put over HHH as great. YOU ARE A KILLER AND WE WANT TO SEE YOU MURDER HHH. DONT PUT HIM OVER. Dont play that bullshit respect card. BE A FUKIN MONSTER.

 

He was passive and nervous with his "week after" promo. He has a stupid and cheesy hand signal now. He is just anotehr big guy now, no uniqueness.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Of course he put Triple H over as great. The whole "Triple H is at the top of his game, but I'm going to beat him" stuff is good because it makes it bigger when Batista eventually wins. If Batista just went out there and said "ARGHH AT WRESTLEMANIA 21 I'M GOING TO DESTROY HHH, AND I WILL BECOME THE NEW WORLD CHAMPION!! NOBODY CAN STOP ME!! ARGH!!".. THEN he would be just like any typical big guy with no uniqueness.

[chaosrage 0]

Yes he does.  I agree 100% that Taker needs to put guys over.  But the Mania streak should be used for the next to propel the next Austin superstar type to that height.  Not for some loser they missed the boat on in the summer and are now making a last ditch effort to get him any kind of heat.

Amen. And if no superstar like that comes along, as sad as that would be, then he should retire with the streak unbroken.

 

]This isn't the same type of situation. Unlike Nash, Orton is someonethat sorely needs credibility. This is one of those do-or-diesituations -- if he doesn't get the fans to follow along with him,whether he is face or heel, he might never be able to do it.

 

But who gives a fuck? Like Nash, Orton sucks and will never be an Austin, a Rock, or a HHH. Not to repeat what 100 other people in this thread said, but it would be a waste.

[King Cucaracha 0]

]This isn't the same type of situation. Unlike Nash, Orton is someonethat sorely needs credibility. This is one of those do-or-diesituations -- if he doesn't get the fans to follow along with him,whether he is face or heel, he might never be able to do it.

 

But who gives a fuck? Like Nash, Orton sucks and will never be an Austin, a Rock, or a HHH. Not to repeat what 100 other people in this thread said, but it would be a waste.

Orton is infinitely better than Nash. If you dropped the 'hate Orton at all opportunities' attitude, you'd realise that.

 

I've no problems with people saying Orton sucks...so long as they look at things impartially, which is something most people can't seem to do. The moment Orton comes on screen, 'oh this'll suck'. If people looked at things impartially, they'd realise what a joke the 'God Push' comments are. And also, maybe people would remember WHY Orton was a 'horrible' champion. Mainly because of the rushed turn (which killed his heat), Helmsley chopping his legs off and taking the belt from him after a MONTH!

 

Funny to think back to after Backlash, when 90% of the board was on the Orton bandwagon because he threw himself in some tacks. Maybe he should do that again. Maybe he'd be entertaining to the board again?

 

Yes he does. I agree 100% that Taker needs to put guys over. But the Mania streak should be used for the next to propel the next Austin superstar type to that height.

 

So, if Austin had beaten The Undertaker in 1996 (when he, presumably, would have been the 'next Austin superstar'), you'd have been for it?

[brighty 0]

i loved Orton as a heel, so i think it's great that he is turning heel again. he should never be a babyface, ever. but as a heel he had a shitload of charisma, had entertaining matches, and was over, whether people like to admit it or not.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Over? If it weren't for the females in the crowd, the arena would be in dead silence when he comes out. That's how it's always been.

[The Decemberists 0]

Orton is infinitely better than Nash.

Nash promo's and charisma are far, far greater than Orton's pre-written material which he stumbles over anyway half the time.