Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=3&id=332037 LOS ANGELES — The U.S. District Court in Oakland, California, has ordered Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and its U.S. unit to pay $90.7 million in damages to Immersion Corp. for patent infringement over controllers used with PlayStation game consoles. In the ruling handed down Thursday, the federal court also ordered Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Entertainment America Inc. to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products. (Kyodo News) Better buy your PS2s before they become rare items, I guess. Who here saw that coming, raise your hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 ...what the hell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
{''({o..o})''} 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 Well now, ain't that some shit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jer 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 The judge granted a stay on the ruling pending appeal, so nothing's going to happen for awhile. I'd be stunned if PS2 production actually stops even temporarily because of this, but you never know. I doubt anyone even expected it to get this far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 HA HA! /Nelson Muntz Sony would be hit harder by having to recall all of the PSones more too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 Who the hell is Immersion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golgo 13 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 I really doubt the appeal will be successful, but I expect that in addition to the settlement here, Sony will toss bigger money at Immersion in order to continue using the DualShock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 Uh, better late than never I guess... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2005 So when did Immersion start making the controllers, none the less start using them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Here is the website for that Immersion company. Apparently they make force feedback devices for medical training and games, and emphasize the sense of touch in all their products. Has this suit been out there and no one knows about it? I guess they contend that Sony stole their ideas when they developed the Dualshock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Didn't Nintendo do all this with that Rumble Pack before Sony ever did Dualshock anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 IT IS SO ORDERED. Dated: 3/24/05 CLAUDIA WILKEN United States District Judge IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA IMMERSION CORPORATION, Plaintiff, v. SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT AMERICA, INC., SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT, INC., and MICROSOFT CORPORATION, Defendants. No. C 02-0710 CW ORDER ENTERING PERMANENT INJUNCTION AND GRANTING DEFENDANTS' MOTION TO STAY INJUNCTION PENDING APPEAL For the reasons set forth in its January 10, 2005 Order, and having entered judgment in favor of Plaintiff Immersion Corp. (Immersion), the Court hereby PERMANENTLY ENJOINS Defendants Sony Computer Entertainment America, Inc., (SCEA) and Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc., (SCEI) (collectively Sony) from manufacturing, using, and/or selling in, or importing into, the United States the infringing Sony Playstation system, including its Playstation consoles, Dualshock controllers, and those games found by the jury to infringe. [FN1: The jury found that the following games, in conjunction with the Playstation consoles and Dualshock controllers, infringed either the '213 patent, the '333 patent or both patents: A Bug's Life; Amplitude; Ape Escape; Atlantis: The Lost Empire; Bloody Roar 2; Cool Boarders 3; Cool Boarders 4; Cool Boarders 2001; Crash Bash; Crash Team Racing; Drakan: The Ancients' Gate; Emperor's New Groove; Extermination; FantaVision; Final Fantasy X; Formula One 2001; The Getaway; Gran Turismo; Gran Turismo 2; Gran Turismo 3; Grand Theft Auto: Vice City; Grand Theft Auto 3; Grind Session; ICO; Jak & Daxter; Kinetica; Kingdom Hearts; Legend of the Dragoon; The Mark of Kri; Medal of Honor Frontline; Medievil 2; Metal Gear Solid 2; Monster's, Inc.; Sly Cooper and the Thievius Racoonus; SOCOM Navy Seals; Speed Punks; Spyro: Ripto's Rage; Spyro: Year of the Dragon; Stuart Little 2; Syphon Filter 2; Syphon Filter 3; Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3; Twisted Metal: Black; Twisted Metal 4; Twisted Metal: Small Brawl; Treasure Planet; and War of the Monsters.] As described in the January 10 Order, no recall is required of products already sold, but Sony will pay a license fee on all products already placed in the stream. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Seems like a really arbitrary listing of games, too. The whole thing just reeks of some little company that happened to patent something similar to Dualshock trying to rake Sony over the coals just to cash in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jm29195 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Oh well, we'll still get them in the uk.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Seems like a really arbitrary listing of games, too. The whole thing just reeks of some little company that happened to patent something similar to Dualshock trying to rake Sony over the coals just to cash in. If they're making medical equipment, rest assured --- they're not a small company. This is stunning, but if Sony stole it, they stole it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Seems like a really arbitrary listing of games, too. The whole thing just reeks of some little company that happened to patent something similar to Dualshock trying to rake Sony over the coals just to cash in. If they're making medical equipment, rest assured --- they're not a small company. This is stunning, but if Sony stole it, they stole it. -=Mike Microsoft did too, but they were smart enough to settle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CronoT Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Didn't Nintendo do all this with that Rumble Pack before Sony ever did Dualshock anyway? The Rumble Pack from the N64 and the Rumble Feature in the GC controller is actually a kind of pager motor. So, I doubt that Nintendo was/is in violation of the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 I'm pretty sure that I've heard that years ago, Nintendo dealt with this, while Sony and Microsoft either didn't bother to do so, or they didn't do their homework enough when releasing their products. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 And we thought the WWF lawsuit was badd SHEESH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2005 I'm pretty sure that I've heard that years ago, Nintendo dealt with this, while Sony and Microsoft either didn't bother to do so, or they didn't do their homework enough when releasing their products. Probably. The upshot of all this is that Sony will pay Immersion either a flat fee or royalties and everything will be back to normal again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mister foozel 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2005 meh, that games list is pretty weak, save for a few A Bug's Life; Amplitude; Ape Escape; Atlantis: The Lost Empire; Bloody Roar 2; Cool Boarders 3; Cool Boarders 4; Cool Boarders 2001; Crash Bash; Crash Team Racing; Drakan: The Ancients' Gate; Emperor's New Groove; Extermination; FantaVision; Final Fantasy X; Formula One 2001; The Getaway; Gran Turismo; Gran Turismo 2; Gran Turismo 3; Grand Theft Auto: Vice City; Grand Theft Auto 3; Grind Session; ICO; Jak & Daxter; Kinetica; Kingdom Hearts; Legend of the Dragoon; The Mark of Kri; Medal of Honor Frontline; Medievil 2; Metal Gear Solid 2; Monster's, Inc.; Sly Cooper and the Thievius Racoonus; SOCOM Navy Seals; Speed Punks; Spyro: Ripto's Rage; Spyro: Year of the Dragon; Stuart Little 2; Syphon Filter 2; Syphon Filter 3; Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3; Twisted Metal: Black; Twisted Metal 4; Twisted Metal: Small Brawl; Treasure Planet; and War of the Monsters and let's not forget this part at the end either: As described in the January 10 Order, no recall is required of products already sold, but Sony will pay a license fee on all products already placed in the stream. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted March 30, 2005 Yeah, Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts didn't sell well at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 30, 2005 Yeah neither did Jak, Medal of Honor: Frontline, or any of the Twisted Metal Black games mentioned.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites