NBA Playoffs

[MrRant 0]

In no particular order:

 

Apparently you people don't fucking read properly. Please head back to elementry school and work on your reading skills.

Apparently Flik is still FUCKING GODDAMN FUCKING SNAPPED on everyone.

Its: He's fucking God damned snapped!

 

Your post is also missing an Elk beating up on something.

 

Geezus... You think you people could at least remember how to insult me properly. Work harder next time.

 

Lightning ELK rises from his slumber and presents his horns in challenge...

[Ripper 0]

This is worse than when I say that Jordon is probably the 4-5 best player to play the game and people act like it is blasphamey.

 

 

How in the hell is me saying that Gilbert Arenas is a good player that will one day lead the league in scoring me DISSING GIlbert Arenas. You guys act like there are only two extremes, either you think that he is a GREAT INCREDIBLE PLAYER or he sucks. There is a BIG area inbetween that. Gilbert Arenas is a good player. He still shoots a bad percentage, shoots too much, settles for the three, has a one track mind (when he on a scoring run, he is going to shoot, not pass, open or not, he is going to gun that fucker. When he feels like playmaking he passes up on the simplist, smartest opportunities to shoot) gets lost on D, and gambles WAY too much when he does. He has the potential to be great but he isn't right now. That isn't saying he sucks. He put up 25-5-5 this year. Those aren't "he sucks numbers" but they ain't exactly going to make me lay down and sing his praises either. He has alot of improving to do before he is a top 15 player, but putting him in the top 40 isn't a diss. People act like if you don't say their guy is number one it is a slap in his face. Making the allstar team doesn't put you in the top 15 players in my mind because I don't see anyone arguing that Brad Miller or Chris Webber being there.

 

The only teams you will see me analyze are the ones I watch and watch frequently. I WATCH the WIZARDS play. I watched them put up huge numbers at the beganing of the year. I watched them flounder when they hit defensive team. I also will watch them probably go to the second round of the playoffs. They are a decent team, with a 3 good/very good players. I anxiously await you turning that into me saying that Gilbert Arenas should be out of the league.

 

And just to clarify, I have never hated on a player for getting a huge contract. I support the Desanga Diops and Juwan Howards and Jim Mclvaines of the world. When every Washingon fan was screaming "we are in the playoffs no doubt now' after he got signed I said he wouldn't be enough(and yes, Gil was injured last year, but that was mostly towards the end of the year and the season was already over then). Somehow though adding another 20 point a game, rebounding player did nothing and it was all Gil. Okay then.

 

And seriously, stop using that "every anaylst and fan blah blah blah" crap because if basketball analyst have shown us anything is that they don't know shit and are usually just rooting for their favorite guys.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

This is worse than when I say that Jordon is probably the 4-5 best player to play the game and people act like it is blasphamey.

 

 

How in the hell is me saying that Gilbert Arenas is a good player that will one day lead the league in scoring me DISSING GIlbert Arenas. You guys act like there are only two extremes, either you think that he is a GREAT INCREDIBLE PLAYER or he sucks. There is a BIG area inbetween that. Gilbert Arenas is a good player. He still shoots a bad percentage, shoots too much, settles for the three, has a one track mind (when he on a scoring run, he is going to shoot, not pass, open or not, he is going to gun that fucker. When he feels like playmaking he passes up on the simplist, smartest opportunities to shoot) gets lost on D, and gambles WAY too much when he does. He has the potential to be great but he isn't right now. That isn't saying he sucks. He put up 25-5-5 this year. Those aren't "he sucks numbers" but they ain't exactly going to make me lay down and sing his praises either. He has alot of improving to do before he is a top 15 player, but putting him in the top 40 isn't a diss. People act like if you don't say their guy is number one it is a slap in his face. Making the allstar team doesn't put you in the top 15 players in my mind because I don't see anyone arguing that Brad Miller or Chris Webber being there.

 

The only teams you will see me analyze are the ones I watch and watch frequently. I WATCH the WIZARDS play. I watched them put up huge numbers at the beganing of the year. I watched them flounder when they hit defensive team. I also will watch them probably go to the second round of the playoffs. They are a decent team, with a 3 good/very good players. I anxiously await you turning that into me saying that Gilbert Arenas should be out of the league.

 

And just to clarify, I have never hated on a player for getting a huge contract. I support the Desanga Diops and Juwan Howards and Jim Mclvaines of the world. When every Washingon fan was screaming "we are in the playoffs no doubt now' after he got signed I said he wouldn't be enough(and yes, Gil was injured last year, but that was mostly towards the end of the year and the season was already over then). Somehow though adding another 20 point a game, rebounding player did nothing and it was all Gil. Okay then.

 

And seriously, stop using that "every anaylst and fan blah blah blah" crap because if basketball analyst have shown us anything is that they don't know shit and are usually just rooting for their favorite guys.

Sorry man, I'm still not buying anything your saying. Arenas shoots low percentages? He actually has one of the higher adjusted fg% for any PG in the league, and his true shooting percentage is great for a guard. He made over 200 3s this season on a decent perfentage. He shoots too much? No he actually has high one of the highest point per shots in the leauge, he takes only 19 shots to get nearly 26 points a game. He does more with his shots than Mcgrady, Lebron, Ray Allen, Iverson. Your arguments will work for basic NBA fans but for a hardcore fan? Not a chance. One track mind, blah, that was last year. This season he usually doesn't look to score that much until the 4th quarter. Through 3 quarters he lets Jamison/Hughes do their thing, he doesn't dominate the ball like Marbury/Francis. Again the offense doesn't require a point guard, when Hughes brings the ball up the floor, Arenas is expected to score. He's reduced his turnovers big time, he definetly has a better balance between passing and scoring now.

 

It's not about him being great, the fact is you are underrating the hell out of him pretty much by saying he's not even a top 30 player and listing border line All-Stars who just aren't as good as him. You can backtrack if you want, but the argument wasn't top 15 player, it was top 20. It was the STUPIDITY of thinking he isn't the best player on the Wiz. It was the stupidity of thinking guys like Redd/Maggettie are better than him. I'm sure if I wasn't here to shut it down you would of listed alot of more ridiculas examples of decent players who aren't better than Gil. He's a bigger gamebreaker than all those guys.

 

Oh and as usual your wrong about Gil's injuries, he got injured 12 games into the season last year and the Wiz than lost a good 17 of their next 21 games which pretty much took them out of playoff contention. You should research it before you talk about what you don't know.

 

Top 10 in the league in points, steals, 3-pointers, free throws, minutes, game winners, 2nd in the leauge in 4th quarter points, 2nd in the league in go ahead shots in the final minute, one of the higher roland ratings in the leauge, and led an injury depleted team to 45 wins. The only person who doesn't seem to know shit is you. Obviously analysists know more than you do. And OBVIOUSLY, Washington fans know more about the team than you do.

 

It's not about you saying he should be out of the league, don't go to a ridiculas conclusion to try to cover yourself, I haven't exagerrated anything in my post. You said Hughes or Jamison is the best player in the series in an OBVIOUS attempt to still try to prove your point from last summer which has been proven wrong. You refuse to believe that the team is built around Arenas, he's a franchise player on a top 15 team in the league, he is a top 20 player statisitically and he has the wins and intangibles to back it up. You owe the man PROPS, saying he will lead the league in scoring does nothing, cause your still acting like he's a one dimensional player. He's a tripple double threat every night, and he's a leader on the court. I'm just settin ya straight on it, you can keep believing what you want, cause as I've said all along your opinion is the minority and living in la la land doesn't make you seem like a knowledable basketball poster.

[Brett Favre 0]

Just for the record, Marbury doesn't dominate the ball like everyone says he does. He does the same thing Arenas does (let everyone else do their thing for 3 quarters), except Hughes and Jamison are better than everyone else combined on the Knick roster.

[The Electrifyer 0]

This is worse than when I say that Jordon is probably the 4-5 best player to play the game and people act like it is blasphamey.

Woah woah.... you said WHAT?!

[strummer 0]

I can't stand it when people like Chris Russo badmouth Marbury and says he doesn't have any "intangibles" or doesn't "make other players great". If you look at pure numbers, Marbury is a GREAT player. He has had the misfortune of not being at the right place at the right time

[Brett Favre 0]

Russo is a fucktard.

[Ripper 0]

Sorry man, I'm still not buying anything your saying. Arenas shoots low percentages? He actually has one of the higher adjusted fg% for any PG in the league, and his true shooting percentage is great for a guard. He made over 200 3s this season on a decent perfentage. He shoots too much? No he actually has high one of the highest point per shots in the leauge, he takes only 19 shots to get nearly 26 points a game.

 

Dude seriously, stop with the worthless stats. Adjusted Fg% is about as worthless as per 48 minutes stats. Gilbert arenas shoots 43% from the field. Thats it. Adjust all you want he shoots 43% from the field and takes 19 shots a game. Thats fine and all, seeing as that is what Iverson does, McGrady does and others, but lets not act like he is a great shooter now. He takes 7 threes a game and is shooting only 36%. How is he not settling for the three? And I am not even a stat guy. Stats mean shit to me(I really mean NOTHING) because they are not indicutive of what a guy does for the game, but since you want to ride them SO much, you need to look at the stats that you are riding.

 

One track mind, blah, that was last year. This season he usually doesn't look to score that much until the 4th quarter. Through 3 quarters he lets Jamison/Hughes do their thing, he doesn't dominate the ball like Marbury/Francis.

 

Are...are you arguing with me or agreeing with me? I really can't tell. You are saying he ISN"T one track minded because he only does one thing for three quarters and do the other for the last quarter....and my arguement is that he can either pass and only focus on passing or shoot and ONLY focus on shooting....

 

just pause with me there and see that you just used a paragraph to agree with me. Once again, Gil is not alone in doing this. Guys like Marbury, Francis...they do the exact same thing. The best guards (James, McGrady, Bryant, Carter) can do both.

 

It's not about him being great, the fact is you are underrating the hell out of him pretty much by saying he's not even a top 30 player and listing border line All-Stars who just aren't as good as him. You can backtrack if you want, but the argument wasn't top 15 player, it was top 20

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Um...

 

Ahahahah, whether you want to admit it or not, Gilbert Arenas has become a top 15 player.

 

Well...SOMEONE said that.... And personally when you start talking the top 15 players, you are naming the great players in the league. I repeat. I DON'T THINK HE IS A GREAT PLAYER YET.

 

Gilbert leading the injury depleted team to 45 wins, huh? Didn't Jamison play in 39 of the wins? Didnt Hughes play in 36 of them? When exactly was this long stretch that Gilbert was out there leading the reserves to wins? he never played without at least one of the other 20 point per game scorers. He is the number one reason they won alot of their games, but you make it sound like the was carrying the team on his back by himself while everyone else was hurt.

 

Last year, you said the team was playoff bound because they picked up one of the best point guards in the league, I argued that he was a 2 guard and wasn't really a point and overrated as being a great point, and you jumped all over me. After one season of watching him shoot everytime he touched the ball, he is a designated shooter for the team. No longer the point, because he doesn't play the position. Of course I am still wrong, even though you are going through lengths to point out that he is a scorer now, thus completely agreeing with what I said last year. At the begaining of this year, I said that the team would suck if they expected Gilbert Arenas to spread the ball around. They didn't use him to spread the ball around and the team was good. I am saying now that he isn't a great player in the league, and you are saying that OMG you aren't giving him his PROPS for being blah blah blah blah. Me thinking Jamison and Hughes are better players is just a opinion, that you pretend I have to be a idiot for having, despite the fact that Hughes is a better playmaker and a better defender, and a better rebounder and takes better care of the ball than Arenas. But there is NO WAY that makes him better because Gilbert can score at will.

 

For every point you can make I can make a counter point. You seem to take this way more seriously than me though. Fact of the matter is, Gilbert was a part of a three headed monster that put up huge numbers. The Wiz won 45 games and are in the playoff. Great. But unless you can say something besides "But the fans know better and balh blah blah" then you claim to be making any more of a point than I am. It is very arguable that Manu Ginobli is a better all around player, defender, shooter, gamer than Gilbert Arenas seeing his playoff performances. Any one that underplays what Cory Maggette does obviously don't watch the Clippers play(something you often accuse me of doing with the Wiz). Michael Red carried a much less talented team to the playoffs last year, and yeah, it is very debatable that Larry Hughes is a better all around player than Gilbert Arenas as I have already pointed out.

 

But you can go get heated all you want. It won't change the fact that there are arguable points there.

[Ripper 0]

This is worse than when I say that Jordon is probably the 4-5 best player to play the game and people act like it is blasphamey.

Woah woah.... you said WHAT?!

Hey, I still think Magic Johnson is probably the best player ever to play, With Kareem, Wilt and Russell right up there and Jordon right in there(with Oscar Robinson and Larry Bird right there behind them). I think it is a shuffle after Magic and Kareem and anyone can be 3 and on, but I firmly believe that Magic Johnson winning 5 NBA titles, and being in 8 finals 10(or was it 11?) years is something to be seen. he could literally play 4 positions consistantly, was a great scorer(not as good as Jordon but still not many were ever) a INCRESDIBLE playmaker and passer and made everyone that touched the court better.

 

Don't blame anyone for thinking that Jordon is the best, but I still take Magic for my money.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

You said one thing which I can agree with, that it's your opinion. I think we can agree to disagree on the topic. . I'm too hyped about Washingtons first playoff appearance in 8 years to be spending time arguing about it. I respect your arguments, your right theirs a counter point, just like theirs always a counter to that counter point, which means we could argue forever, but theirs no point. I think Arenas does pass and score at the same time, depending on whether he's playing scorer or facilitator on that play, and you don't. Thats a fundeamental difference of opinion that is to objective to prove.

 

Getting back to the playoffs,

 

My picks-

 

Miami over New Jersey in 6

Detroit over Philly in 5

Indiana over Boston in 5

Washington over Chicago in 6

Spurs over Nuggets in 7

Suns over Memphis in 4

Sonics over Kings in 5

Dallas over Rockets in 7

 

It should be a great 1rst round.

[lomasmoney 0]

This is worse than when I say that Jordon is probably the 4-5 best player to play the game and people act like it is blasphamey.

 

 

I totally agree. Jordan never won until Magic, Larry, and the like were old and broken down. And then he prodceded to win 6 titles in an era where the NBA was nowhere near the quality that it was in the 1980's or as its looking to become here in the near future. My top 5 would have to be :

Magic Johnson

Michael Jordan

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Oscar Robertson

 

Jordan is fourth at best on that list

[Brett Favre 0]

Jordan didn't have 2 or more hall of famers around him when he won those titles.

 

He's number one.

[Ripper 0]

Jordan didn't have 2 or more hall of famers around him when he won those titles.

 

He's number one.

Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen aren't hall of famers all of a sudden?

[Guest Vitamin X]

Hey, I'll actually agree with everything Ripper's said on this page of this thread.

[Brett Favre 0]

Compared to Kevin McHale and Robert Parish, and Kareem and James Worthy, not as good. Considering that Jordan never had a big man, it makes it even more amazing. Bird had a McHale and Parish, and Magic had Kareem. Come on.

[Ripper 0]

Compared to Kevin McHale and Robert Parish, and Kareem and James Worthy, not as good. Considering that Jordan never had a big man, it makes it even more amazing. Bird had a McHale and Parish, and Magic had Kareem. Come on.

Jordan had big man defenders that could shoot the short jumper. The Bulls were a fucking machine man. They always had some deadly(and i mean DEADLY) three point shooter you couldn't double off up, a big that could hit the short jumper when you collapsed on jordan or pippin, and a incredible rebounder/defender at the 4.

[Brett Favre 0]

My bad. I forgot the Celtics and Lakers had a bunch of scrubs around Magic and Bird. Silly me.

[Guest Shadow]

May I interupt this "This guy was over-rated" "No, THAT guy is over-rated" bickerfest and quickly inject my first round predictions and let u guys go about your merry way.

 

Western Conference

PHX over Memphis in 5.

Sacramento over Seattle in 6

Dallas over Houston in 7

Denver over San Antonio in 7

 

Eastern Conference

Miami over New Jersey in 6

Chicago over Washington in 7

Detroit over Philly in 5

Indy over Boston in 6

[Guest Crazy Dan]

Here are my picks for the first round.

 

West

 

Suns over Grizzlies 4-2

Spurs over Nuggets 4-3

Kings over Sonics 4-2

Mavs over Rockets 4-3

 

East

 

Heat over Nets 4-2

Pistons over Philly 4-1

Pacers over Celtics 4-3

Wash over da Bulls 4-3

[Brett Favre 0]

Heat over Nets 4-1

Philly over Pistons 4-2

Pacers over Celtics 4-2

Washington over Chicago 4-3

 

Suns over Grizzlies 4-1

Spurs over Nuggets 4-2

Sonics over Kings 4-1

Dallas over Houston 4-3

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

Heat over Nets 4-3

Pistons over 76ers 4-1

Pacers over Celtics 4-2

Washington over Chicago 4-2

 

Suns over Grizzlies 4-3

Spurs over Nuggets 4-2

Sonics over Kings 4-2

Dallas over Houston 4-2

[MrRant 0]

Heat over Nets

Pistons over 76ers

Celtics over Pacers

Chicago over Washington

 

Suns over Grizzlies

Spurs over Nuggets

Sonics over Kings

Dallas over Houston

[alfdogg 0]

My predictions are the same as Rant's, except I have Washington and Houston advancing.

[alfdogg 0]

As far as the Pacers/Celtics series goes, the Celtics team we're facing this year is better, at least on paper, than the 6th-seeded Celts that beat us in the first round two years ago. Obviously we have better coaching now, but we still have no Ron Artest, and maybe no Jamaal Tinsley, as well. And no Brad Miller from the 2003 team. And I doubt Jermaine O'Neal's shoulder is 100%. I won't be *shocked* if we win the series, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Celts advance, either.

[cabbageboy 0]

Let's see, I won't do actual # of games but here's the winners:

 

Miami over Nets

Bulls over Wizards (this might go 7, tossup really)

Pacers over Celtics (be honest, who doesn't want the IND/DET rematch?)

Pistons over Sixers

 

Suns over Memphis

Dallas over Houston

Kings over Sonics

Spurs over Nuggets (but in a VERY tight series)

 

As far as this whole Jordan argument goes, it's pointless to argue that Jordan couldn't win in an era of Magic and Bird. Duh. The Bulls didn't really have much else in that particular era. The only deduction I can see for Magic is that he never won it all as the undisputed main star (I always thought Kareem first, Magic 2nd when it came to the Lakers). In the one head to head finals in 1991 the Bulls trashed the Lakers, albeit with Kareem retired by then. Magic wasn't really over the hill, but had to retire due to the HIV issue.

 

It's impossible to compare Jordan to a center like Russell or Kareem really, they just played different positions.

[cabbageboy 0]

Crap, got stuck...double post.

[Cuban Linx 0]

Predictions of very little thought:

 

Heat over Nets 4-1

Pistons over 76ers 4-1

Pacers over Celtics 4-2

Wizards over Bulls 4-3

 

Suns over Grizzlies 4-2

Spurs over Nuggets 4-2

Sonics over Kings 4-1, 4-2 if Brad Miller can play

Mavericks over Rockets 4-3

[Guest Mosaicv2]

Yes... four first round games today.

 

Philadelphia @ Detroit

Houston @ Dallas

Indiana @ Boston

Sacramento @ Seattle

 

thank god I got my DVR yesterday

[The Electrifyer 0]

Haha... Rasheed comes into the building with his championship built on.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

screw the trophy, they should just defend the belts. Wear the belts to all playoff games... if th Pistons lose before the Finals, then David "Vince" Stern takes the belts and gives them to the winners of the Finals.