What players do you

[nl5xsk1 0]

hate

Heatley

Wayne Gretzky (Biggest pansy in profesional sports history)

Gordie Howe (over rated)

Bobby Orr (shared his chocolate with the broads in that commercial or something, he was in a commercial that pissed me off)

Other than Heatley (& that whole car crash thing) how can you hate the three greatest hockey players in the history of the game? Might as well add Mario to that list, too, just to complete the sweep.

[the max 0]

My favorite is that he hates Bobby Orr because he was in a commercial that he didn't like.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

He's not bull shitting, I know him, and he pretty well mentions it every time we talk about hockey.

 

He does like Mario, what's not to like about him? Loyal as hell to Pittsburgh and not earning eight mil a season somewhere else when he easily could be?

[nl5xsk1 0]

I really don't think he's bullshitting, I'm just astounded that a hockey fan wouldn't like the greatest players in the history of the game.

 

Gretzky: I could see an Oilers fan disliking him for the trade to LA, but when you think of all the great things that he did for the franchise, I think the good would outweigh the bad. And to call him a pansy? WTF, the guy's not a physical player, but that doesn't make him a pansy. It's not like he was Claude or Ulfie, who would cheapshot people and then turtle.

Howe: Overrated? Huh?!? The guy wrote the record book, which was then re-written by Gretzky. One might argue that he played too long, but other than his last two years with the Whale, he averaged over a point-per-game ... over-rated? Hardly.

Orr: Hmm, redefined the way defensemen played the game. But yet was in a commercial he didn't like so he's hate-able?

 

I'm really not trying to change anyone's mind, but it's just astonishing that someone would have such flimsy excuses to "hate" three of the hockey players that would be on the "Mt Rushmore of Hockey", if such a thing existed.

 

He does like Mario, what's not to like about him? Loyal as hell to Pittsburgh and not earning eight mil a season somewhere else when he easily could be?

If he'll hate Orr for a commercial, and Gretzky for being "a pansy" then I wouldn't be surprised if he hated Mario for some petty reason.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Nope, he likes Lemieux.

 

Interestingly, we argue every time about this...If he can get away with saying Gretzky sucks because he doesn't like him, I should certainly be allowed to get away with saying HBK sucks, which I don't think, while I do hate him. After all, Gretzky wasn't on a script.

 

Missed the whole point of the thread...For No Reason whatsoever.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Missed the whole point of the thread...For No Reason whatsoever.

No, I really didn't miss the whole point of the thread ... I just think that it's astounding that a hockey fan would hate Gretzky at all, especially for no reason. It'd be one thing if someone had a reason (like I said, Oilers fan that was pissed about the trade, or a fan of another team, say Calgary, that lost to the Oilers so many times ... something like that) ... that'd be a legit reason that I wouldn't scratch my head over. But to just say, "he's a pansy and I hate him" strikes me as strange.

 

As they say, different strokes for different folks, I guess.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Missed the whole point of the thread...For No Reason whatsoever.

No, I really didn't miss the whole point of the thread ... I just think that it's astounding that a hockey fan would hate Gretzky at all, especially for no reason. It'd be one thing if someone had a reason (like I said, Oilers fan that was pissed about the trade, or a fan of another team, say Calgary, that lost to the Oilers so many times ... something like that) ... that'd be a legit reason that I wouldn't scratch my head over. But to just say, "he's a pansy and I hate him" strikes me as strange.

 

As they say, different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Not you missing the point, Idol did. I'll beat him at Forza tonight.

[Guest Crimson Idol]

A lot of people could break records if everyone virtually moved out of the way and let them do their thing, oh yea and a hidden rule being your not allowed to hit them.

 

Im referring to Gretzky but I'm sure that was obvious

 

Gretzky was the hand picked poster child of the nhl and would have been a total failure if everyone didn't make it easy on him.

[bob_barron 0]

Not only do we have to deal with CanadianGuitarist, we have his dumb friend too!

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

A lot of people could break records if everyone virtually moved out of the way and let them do their thing, oh yea and a hidden rule being your not allowed to hit them.

 

Im referring to Gretzky but I'm sure that was obvious

 

Gretzky was the hand picked poster child of the nhl and would have been a total failure if everyone didn't make it easy on him.

Do you have any substantial proof or examples to back up your point, or are you just shouting out of your ass?

 

We hold a higher standard of argumentation in this forum.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Not only do we have to deal with CanadianGuitarist, we have his dumb friend too!

And I've got RedBaron in my evil army.

 

Piss off Barron, unless you're busting my balls.

 

Though I am deeply respectful of your avatar pic.

 

A lot of people could break records if everyone virtually moved out of the way and let them do their thing, oh yea and a hidden rule being your not allowed to hit them.

 

On topic, there's no debating Gretzky's talent. As for the rule about not hitting them, well that goes for every superstar. It's an unwritten rule in hockey today. See Steve Moore to illustrate that point, not that I'm condoning Bertuzzi's actions.

 

Gretzky was the hand picked poster child of the nhl and would have been a total failure if everyone didn't make it easy on him.

 

This, however,is very off. The NHL has never marketed their stars well enough. Even today, they need to market their stars better when they do come back. Look how many people have LeBron James stuff, and still have Jordan stuff, even those who aren't Cavs or Bulls fans. People who are indifferent to hockey or casual fans really need to know how good a power forward like Iginla or Forsberg is, or what great leaders Messier or Yzerman are, or even how good a shooter like Naslund, St. Louis or Nash is. That will save hockey. I'm not saying we'll see Naslund jerseys on every white boy gangsta the way we see with basketball jerseys now. But it'll help.

[nl5xsk1 0]

A lot of people could break records if everyone virtually moved out of the way and let them do their thing, oh yea and a hidden rule being your not allowed to hit them.

 

Im referring to Gretzky but I'm sure that was obvious

 

Gretzky was the hand picked poster child of the nhl and would have been a total failure if everyone didn't make it easy on him.

I fucking pray that you're a gimmick poster ... did the NHL pick him as the poster boy when he was lighting up leagues as a preteen? And during his teenage years? And in the WHA? Was it all an elaborate ruse, planned a decade+ in advance in order to raise the NHL to the ranking of "4th major sport" in North America?

 

And did every goalie just allow his shots to go in, or the shots of players that he passed to? Nice fucking acting, looking like they're trying to make saves while purposely letting goals in.

 

I wish this conversation was in Hardcore Discussion so I could call you a dumbass ... but it's not, so I can't.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

A lot of people could break records if everyone virtually moved out of the way and let them do their thing, oh yea and a hidden rule being your not allowed to hit them.

 

Im referring to Gretzky but I'm sure that was obvious

 

Gretzky was the hand picked poster child of the nhl and would have been a total failure if everyone didn't make it easy on him.

I fucking pray that you're a gimmick poster ... did the NHL pick him as the poster boy when he was lighting up leagues as a preteen? And during his teenage years? And in the WHA? Was it all an elaborate ruse, planned a decade+ in advance in order to raise the NHL to the ranking of "4th major sport" in North America?

 

And did every goalie just allow his shots to go in, or the shots of players that he passed to? Nice fucking acting, looking like they're trying to make saves while purposely letting goals in.

 

I wish this conversation was in Hardcore Discussion so I could call you a dumbass ... but it's not, so I can't.

Go ahead. You have mod permission on this one.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Crimson Idol, after reading your most recent post (the one that seemingly you accuse Wayne Gretzky's entire career as being an NHL-directed charade) I can only come to one conclusion.

 

You're a dumbass.

 

Thanks, al.

[Red Baron 0]

I'll add Manute Ginobli to the list.

 

Great B-Baller and all, but he likes to show-off all the time on the court.

[C Dubya 04 0]

One thing to point out Re: Gretzky that I don't intend as a defense of Crimson Idol.

 

I think that age plays a big role in the whole Gretzky thing. In the US, there is just not that many replays of hockey shown from when Gretzky was in his prime (as opposed to say Bird and Magic in their primes), which severely limits younger peoples image of Gretzky. If you only started watching hockey in the mid nineties, and that is the Gretzky that you know, you are way off base in judging him. But, I think that this happens a lot.

 

Gretzky wasn't allowed to do his thing as CI insinuated. He was that good. He was just an absolute amazing athlete. I remember growing up, the Inquirer had a weekly hockey award given to the best player each week. After having to give it to Gretzky an unGodly amount, the paper finally gave up, renamed it the Gretzky award and made him ineligible due to his greatness.

 

You don't get the nickname the Great One for nothing.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

I'll add Manute Ginobli to the list.

 

Great B-Baller and all, but he likes to show-off all the time on the court.

Agreed.

 

Also one of my favourite current names in sport.

[Guest Crazy Dan]

Some players I like:

 

Mark Madsen - I graduated high school with him, so I being biased towards the hometown player. But I love watching Mad Dog play, because he does all the grunt work that is a key element to any successful team. He is by no means the most athletic player. But, he has made a NBA career out of out-hustling and out working many players on the court. My guess is he is the type of player you love to have in the locker room, since he will never complain and will do the job needed. Also, who doesn't laugh at his victory dance during LA's victory parade as he became the poster boy for White Men not having any ryhthm what so ever.

 

Dwayne Wade - Great attitude, leads by example, makes his teammates better, is humble, lets his playing do the talking, and graduated from college. One of the players who will lead the next generation of NBA players.

 

LeBron - I was sketical at first, since no player could be as good as he was advertised. Well I think expectations were set way too high, but LeBron has done everything to live up them. I love his work ethic and the fact he spends many hours on his own working on his weak parts of his game. I love that he has no problems passing the ball for an assist, because that makes his teammates better. Clevland is in disarray and unfortunately LeBron might not get the best opportunity to go far in the playoffs, playing here. However, LeBron still played his heart out to give the Cavs every chance to make the playoffs, even if the Cavs did not have the talent to do so. And during the Olympics, LeBron was one of the biggest cheerleaders from the bench and never complained once because of lack of playing time. I like his attitude and makes a good choice to lead the NBA into the next generation. Also, I believe that players are better off playing a couple of college years before heading to the pros. I just feel that many players would benefit from being able to play many minutes in college, rather than sit on the bench for their first few years. However, LeBron is one of those rare exceptions where he was ready for the Pros. When you can make me a believer, that says something.

[Red Baron 0]

What I'll say about Gretzky is this.

 

If Wayne was on an Eastern conference team he would not have as many points and would not have played as long as he did.

 

The fact is, the Western Conference in the 80's was shit. Calgary was the only other competition in the Conference, other than that you have a lot of Junior B teams there.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

But it's asinine to debate his talent.

[Red Baron 0]

He was talented yes, but c'mon, the West was complete shit.

 

Vancouver, St. Louis, Chicago were mediocore teams. Minnesota, Winnipeg and L.A. were sub-par and you have the horrendous Maple Leafs and the Dead Wings.

 

Greztky wouldn't have 2000 points if he played for Buffalo or Montreal.

[nl5xsk1 0]

If Gretzky had the supporting cast that he had in Edmonton, plus Fuhr in net and Sather behind the bench, he'd have had those points ANYWHERE. It's not like he didn't play the Wales quite a few times a season, he just played the Campbell more.

 

The only difference would have been that the teams on the good side of the continent played a tougher, more physical game so he'd have had less space to move around. So, maybe his #s would have gone down, but more because of the way teams played rather than their skill level.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

I forgot to add that I hate Alex Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Kevin Millar, Jason Varitek, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez as well as Schilling.

[Guest Mosaicv2]

Kevin Millar, Jason Varitek, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez

WHY?! they didn't say one shit thing about your Yankees... and all of them actually have alot of respect for the Yankees. You can bash Pedro (when he was with the Red Sox) or Schilling, but these guys?

[Just John 0]

For small/unknown reasons:

 

Like: Shawn Marion, Todd McCulloch (back in the day), Marko Jaric, Donovan Darius, Fred Smoot, Donnie Edwards, Milton Bradley, Juan Pierre

 

Dislike: Slava Medvedenko

 

For favorite team/known reasons:

 

Like: Tracy McGrady, Bob Sura, Steve Nash, Andy Pettitte, Craig Biggio, Dontrelle Willis, Plaxico Burress, Troy Polamalu, Andre Johnson

 

Dislike: Brett Favre, Eli Manning, Freddie Mitchell, Gary Payton, Erick Dampier

[nl5xsk1 0]

Kevin Millar, Jason Varitek, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez

WHY?! they didn't say one shit thing about your Yankees... and all of them actually have alot of respect for the Yankees. You can bash Pedro (when he was with the Red Sox) or Schilling, but these guys?

 

Keep in mind, the whole pont of this thread is about people one hates:

For no reason whatsoever?

[snuffbox 0]

I can really do without Deion Sanders and Randy Moss...and 'hate' might be an appropriate label for Kobe Bryant, just because hes proven himself pathetic on so many levels.

 

The Love List - Brett Favre, Arturo Gatti, and Erik Morales.

[Red Baron 0]

If Gretzky had the supporting cast that he had in Edmonton, plus Fuhr in net and Sather behind the bench, he'd have had those points ANYWHERE. It's not like he didn't play the Wales quite a few times a season, he just played the Campbell more.

 

The only difference would have been that the teams on the good side of the continent played a tougher, more physical game so he'd have had less space to move around. So, maybe his #s would have gone down, but more because of the way teams played rather than their skill level.

The east would have hammered them senseless, especially Phili and Boston.

 

Also the Eastern Conference was a tighter game and perfection was necessary. When you have four-six strong teams in a conference (Phili, Boston, NYI, Montreal) that matched you skill wise and toughness 20-30 games a season, your not going to registar the same amount of points as you are in the Western Conference. Mind you you'd see some really exciting Habs-Oilers games then too.

[Guest gthureson]

That's funny, 'cause the teams the Oilers smoked most regularly in the finals were.....Philedelphia and Boston. Guess they couldn't demolish the Oilers when it really counted, but would of during the regular season, right?

[Red Baron 0]

The Oilers were often well rested when in the finals, while Phili, Boston, Montreal often pounded the shit against each other before heading into the finals.