Terror Bombing in London

[cbacon 0]

Yikes, I almost joined a couple of friends on a trip to London this week. Glad I couldn't get work off after all. Some of my family are heading out in a couple of weeks though. Scary.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

It seems like a minor miracle that there's "only" been 2 deaths confirmed so far.

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If only it could have stayed like that

 

Shoutout to Eskimo and all our other brothers in the English language 'cross the pond.  Our thoughts & prayers are with you guys.

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Seconded

[bobobrazil1984 0]

thats pretty fucked up.

[Guest DVD Spree]

I  have friends vacationing/living in England right now. I'm pretty fucking worried for 'em...

Dude, don't worry about it – they've closed a couple of other stations because of "security incidents" (Poole, Swindon, Brighton), but basically if you're outside London you're perfectly fine.

[SuperJerk 0]

If this is Al Quadea, then maybe it will force our (uk) governemnt to stop letting all these fucking immigrants in and giving them money to live here...

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While I'll agree that its not right for an immigrant to be a financial burden on the country they move to, I'm sure all the people who've lived in the countries the UK sent waves of immigrants to over the last few hundred years might think you're trying to have it both ways.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

Just scanning around the GameFAQs boards... and I saw this. This was creepy to me.

 

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessag...&topic=22002292

 

The guy posted that on TUESDAY.

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Aw shit... well I'll show ya what he said.

 

From: blue_spiritUK | Posted: 7/5/2005 12:30:31 PM | Message Detail

Bad **** always happens on Thursday.

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From: DanShields2 | Posted: 7/5/2005 12:31:11 PM | Message Detail

Today's Tuesday...

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The statement below is a lie

From: 01asada | Posted: 7/5/2005 12:31:44 PM | Message Detail

Je suis d'accord avec vous.

 

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From: judge | Posted: 7/5/2005 12:32:08 PM | Message Detail

ha ha. . sorry but that made me laugh

 

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From: blue_spiritUK | Posted: 7/5/2005 12:33:06 PM | Message Detail

I know............ i'm just warning peopl to be extra careful on Thursday.

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[Guest Vitamin X]

September 11th, 2001 was on a Tuesday.

 

But yeah that is a bit odd.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Damnit, as much as this pisses me off and saddens me, I knew something like this was going to happen. Right now, my thoughts are going out to everyone in London right now.

[King Cucaracha 0]

^ Agreed. Luckily, I'm pretty certain, there was no-one there I know in London. Hard to imagine that it's just 60 miles down the road from me. Crazy shit. I mean, it had to happen one day I guess and we probably got off lightly, considering how many people were in London yesterday. But still, terrible, terrible stuff.

[Zorin Industries 0]

My cousin had just got off the train at Liverpool Street about two minutes before the first bomb went off, so he was damn lucky. Quite a coup for the terrorists though, I know they were probably planning it in time for the G8, but doing it the day after the Olympic result is a hell of a psyhcological coup

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Fox News' own Brian Kilmeade commented on it

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070005

The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

 

KILMEADE: And he [british Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.

VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.

 

KILMEADE: Yeah.

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[Art Sandusky 0]

The supposed posting that claimed responsibility has been put through the wringers during the day, and it's showing to contain errors (most notably incorrect Koran quotations) that the real al-Queda wouldn't commit. They shoulda known it wouldn't be this easy.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Fox News' own Brian Kilmeade commented on it

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070005

The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

 

KILMEADE: And he [british Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.

VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.

 

KILMEADE: Yeah.

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Yeah, because before this the British government were just strolling around not caring about terrorism at all. Stupid.

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I don't think that's a critique on the British Government, but the world community for not putting terrorism at the top of the docket. But that's just how I see it.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

I just disagree with the idea that we can only concentrate on one thing at a time.

 

Does the fact that governments are looking to aid Africa automatically mean their anti-terrorism measures arent as good as they should be?

[Adam 0]

I agree. Countries can focus on both terrorism and aid without totally neglecting an aspect of one or ther other. Its possible you know.

[Justice 0]

I just disagree with the idea that we can only concentrate on one thing at a time.

 

Does the fact that governments are looking to aid Africa automatically mean their anti-terrorism measures arent as good as they should be?

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But you're missing the point that Terrorism is a world problem, and the fact that it's not in the top two is a bit naive. He's right: It should be #1. We can look aid in Africa, we can look at Global Warming, but how about we look at a more pressing, immediate, and dangerous problem first?

 

He's not saying concentrate on one thing at a time. He's critiquing the world for not putting Terrorism first on the agenda, which I agree with.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

That saddest part is that this will change nothing.

[Gary Floyd 0]

I think the reason they're hasn't been any outrage over his comments is because he works for Fox News, which is known for having Bill O'Reilly as they're most resonable voice, and for the Geraldo in Iraq incident. Basically, the general reaction is "Someone on Fox News said something stupid? That happens everyday!"

 

It's times like this that I'm glad MikeSC was banned.

 

That out of the way, heres Brit Humes thoughts:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070007

 

HUME: Well, maybe. The other thing is, of course, people have -- you know, the market was down. It was down yesterday, and you know, you may have had some bargain-hunting going on. I mean, my first thought when I heard -- just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, "Hmmm, time to buy." Others may have thought that as well. But you never know about the markets. But obviously, if the markets had behaved badly, that would obviously add to people's sense of alarm about it. But there has been a lot of reassurance coming, particularly in the way that -- partly in the way the Brits handled all this, but also in the way that officials here handled it. There seems to be no great fear that something like that is going to happen here, although there's no indication that we here had any advance warning

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

I just disagree with the idea that we can only concentrate on one thing at a time.

 

Does the fact that governments are looking to aid Africa automatically mean their anti-terrorism measures arent as good as they should be?

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But you're missing the point that Terrorism is a world problem, and the fact that it's not in the top two is a bit naive. He's right: It should be #1. We can look aid in Africa, we can look at Global Warming, but how about we look at a more pressing, immediate, and dangerous problem first?

 

He's not saying concentrate on one thing at a time. He's critiquing the world for not putting Terrorism first on the agenda, which I agree with.

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I'm not missing the point at all. Terrorism can be first on the agenda and there can still be time to look at other problems. That's all I'm saying. The fact that there's a summit to look at Africa and climate change doesn't mean counter-terrorist operations are being neglected somehow. That's just lazy thinking.

[NoCalMike 0]

If anything The war in Iraq is diverting more resources from the "War on Terror" then G8 or Live 8 could ever hope to. I guess Osama Bin Ladin and his cohorts didn't keep their promise to Bush about "fighting the War over there so We don't have to fight it over here"

[Justice 0]

I just disagree with the idea that we can only concentrate on one thing at a time.

 

Does the fact that governments are looking to aid Africa automatically mean their anti-terrorism measures arent as good as they should be?

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But you're missing the point that Terrorism is a world problem, and the fact that it's not in the top two is a bit naive. He's right: It should be #1. We can look aid in Africa, we can look at Global Warming, but how about we look at a more pressing, immediate, and dangerous problem first?

 

He's not saying concentrate on one thing at a time. He's critiquing the world for not putting Terrorism first on the agenda, which I agree with.

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I'm not missing the point at all. Terrorism can be first on the agenda and there can still be time to look at other problems. That's all I'm saying. The fact that there's a summit to look at Africa and climate change doesn't mean counter-terrorist operations are being neglected somehow. That's just lazy thinking.

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ME, yes you are. I respect you, but you are still missing what we are saying here.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you that we have to multitask because, well, it's a big world and there are a lot of problems.

 

But.

 

You are still missing the point that he makes that G8 doesn't have Terrorism on the top points of the agenda, when it really should up there. The statement, and I, are not saying that Terrorism is the only agenda we should see. But it should be #1. It's not lazy thinking, it's prioritizing a more immediate and dangerous threat first because it needs to be discussed. It is a global problem that is just as threatening as both the current topics, and it should be discussed at a global level.

 

If anything The war in Iraq is diverting more resources from the "War on Terror" then G8 or Live 8 could ever hope to. I guess Osama Bin Ladin and his cohorts didn't keep their promise to Bush about "fighting the War over there so We don't have to fight it over here"

 

Oh shut up.

 

First off, no way on the resources of the entire free world vs. US military forces. Stop talking out of your ass, please. The resources being used in Iraq today are not close to what we could be doing with more global action on the War on Terror. If you could please rationally consider something rather than just kicking a knee-jerk reaction towards 'Dubya', the intelligence quotient of your posts would increase by 10.

 

Secondly, we need more global work right now. Treating it as 'individual problems' which it seems like most countries are content to do is just going to hurt other countries because they won't stop 'someone else's problem'.

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Secondly, we need more global work right now. Treating it as 'individual problems' which it seems like most countries are content to do is just going to hurt other countries because they won't stop 'someone else's problem'.

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Why tell ME we need more global work? When we were bombing Afganistan and actually seemingly going after terrorist targets, why was the help not asked for then, when some countries might have actually figured we were interested in crushing terrorism not ousting a dictator and "spreading freedom" Is it my fault or my policy that drove the allies away initially?

 

TERRORISM is the world's problem, The war in Iraq certainly is not.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Okay, a few hours later and it seems that any talk of this NOT being al-Queda has been quietly brushed under the carpets. I guess it's easier to rally people against a familiar foe rather than a new one.

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Secondly, we need more global work right now. Treating it as 'individual problems' which it seems like most countries are content to do is just going to hurt other countries because they won't stop 'someone else's problem'.

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Why tell ME we need more global work? When we were bombing Afganistan and actually seemingly going after terrorist targets, why was the help not asked for then, when some countries might have actually figured we were interested in crushing terrorism not ousting a dictator and "spreading freedom" Is it my fault or my policy that drove the allies away initially?

 

TERRORISM is the world's problem, The war in Iraq certainly is not.

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God, you are really pathetic.

 

This isn't us asking for help.

 

This is the world discussing a problem that is everyones. You try to relate this to Iraq, but I'm not talking about that. The resources we are spending there are near what a globally-backed war on terror could do. It shouldn't have anything to do with Iraq because we are talking about something that isn't just confined to Iraq, or even the Middle East.

 

It shouldn't come down to the 'US did this'. It should be 'We, as a planet, need to look at this'. That's how we came to Global Warming and Africa on the agenda. Why can't it be the same on Terrorism? Shouldn't be something that EVERYONE should be discussing and trying to act out on, rather than just us and a few of our allies?

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Secondly, we need more global work right now. Treating it as 'individual problems' which it seems like most countries are content to do is just going to hurt other countries because they won't stop 'someone else's problem'.

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Why tell ME we need more global work? When we were bombing Afganistan and actually seemingly going after terrorist targets, why was the help not asked for then, when some countries might have actually figured we were interested in crushing terrorism not ousting a dictator and "spreading freedom" Is it my fault or my policy that drove the allies away initially?

 

TERRORISM is the world's problem, The war in Iraq certainly is not.

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God, you are really pathetic.

 

This isn't us asking for help.

 

This is the world discussing a problem that is everyones. You try to relate this to Iraq, but I'm not talking about that. The resources we are spending there are near what a globally-backed war on terror could do. It shouldn't have anything to do with Iraq because we are talking about something that isn't just confined to Iraq, or even the Middle East.

 

It shouldn't come down to the 'US did this'. It should be 'We, as a planet, need to look at this'. That's how we came to Global Warming and Africa on the agenda. Why can't it be the same on Terrorism? Shouldn't be something that EVERYONE should be discussing and trying to act out on, rather than just us and a few of our allies?

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Yes it should, but America being the super power along with being the best and the brightest should be setting the example and The Iraq War and all of the deceit and trickery that lead to it is not a good layout for other countries to follow. You may not be comparing anything to Iraq, but everytime I turn on the TV all I ever hear out of Bush's mouth is about "The War on Terrorism" being fought in Iraq, see the guy in charge making policy, you know the LEADER of the Free World is out there constantly trying to say the war in Iraq is about terrorism, and the less the world sees him as credible the less credibility we as a nation will have on future problems involving real terrorism issues.

 

I have no problem with world leaders getting together to discuss the problems of Terrorism as a Global Problem, which it is, but getting all upset because one day out of the year world leaders want to discuss the problems with the enviornment and the despair in Africa is hardly "ignoring the problem"

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Yes it should, but America being the super power along with being the best and the brightest should be setting the example and The Iraq War and all of the deceit and trickery that lead to it is not a good layout for other countries to follow.

 

And the cockblocking in the UN and it's massive, massive scandals aren't? Think what you might, but it's believable we had an intelligence breakdown with the circumstances.

 

You may not be comparing anything to Iraq, but everytime I turn on the TV all I ever hear out of Bush's mouth is about "The War on Terrorism" being fought in Iraq, see the guy in charge making policy, you know the LEADER of the Free World is out there constantly trying to say the war in Iraq is about terrorism, and the less the world sees him as credible the less credibility we as a nation will have on future problems involving real terrorism issues.

 

But you are missing the point here: It shouldn't be Bush going to the world and saying 'This is a problem'. Regardless, the world should be saying 'We have a problem we need to discuss'. It shouldn't depend at all on Bush. He's not the one who plans G8, is he?

 

You think Iraq matters, but it doesn't. That might be part of what we are doing, but the World's actions don't need to be dictated purely by us. It shouldn't be the US's War on Terror, it should be the World's War on Terror. Sadly, few others want it to be like that.

 

I have no problem with world leaders getting together to discuss the problems of Terrorism as a Global Problem, which it is, but getting all upset because one day out of the year world leaders want to discuss the problems with the enviornment and the despair in Africa is hardly "ignoring the problem"

 

The problem is that G8 is dedicated to solving global problems that affect us all. It's not a good sign when Terrorism doesn't make a place on the top docket, since we both agree that it's a pressing global problem, don't you think?

 

Edit: And finally, let's get back on topic. We shouldn't be arguing stuff like this in a thread for the Terror victims in London. Truce?

Edited July 8, 2005 by Justice