Guest jm29195 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 Just heard on PWInsider's hotline that due to "contractual problems", Raven and 3 Live Kru have been taken off the No Surrender PPV card next week and will stay off until said problems are resolved. No details have yet been mentioned, but more updates will be forthcoming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 Double Yikes. They really need a TV deal and cash flow, like right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 Well, don't really care about 3LK, but Raven...I think he's a pretty big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 How can they do a ppv without Raven? Why did they bring in dead weight like X-Pac and Billy Gunn if they wouldnt be able to afford guys that can actualy draw like Raven? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. TNA needs money and a TV deal badly, like Dangerous A said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eirejmcmahon 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 I'll believe this when the PPV airs and Raven isn't on it, for all their faults TNA aren't DUMB enough to put their belt on someone they don't have locked down to a solid contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 Poor Abyss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slimm44 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 Agreed this is a problem, but Jarrett said he would be taking his title shot and title at the ppv so maybe TNA knew ahead of time and has a plan. 2Live Kru not being around isn't as big a deal as they have been 'hiding' from Monty Brown and the Outlaw. As long as Jeff Hammond doesn't return, the ppv should be good nevertheless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 BOOM! Bob Ryder posted this on 1wrestling.com Buck Woodward, a former contributor to 1WRESTLING.COM, reported this afternoon that Raven & 3 Live Kru were not going to show up for this weekend's TNA PPV due to contractual disagreements. The report, on the pwinsider elite hotline, is totally false. Woodward said in his hotline report that his information came from Mike "Scoops" Johnson, also a former 1WRESTLING.COM contributor, and that Johnson would have much more about the situation later in the evening on the website. Apparently they got their "scoops" mixed up. The dispute has nothing to do with their appearance on the TNA PPV, but concerns their announced appearances on the upcoming Gladiator PPV in Puerto Rico. There have been some pretty reckless reports online in recent months about TNA, but this one is at the top of the list. The hotline has not been removed from the pwinsider website, but a brief correction and apology was posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slickster 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, it worked for WCW, didn't it? DIDN'T IT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 Astro beat me to the debunk, but it's good to see that the rumor was untrue and the PPV line-up won't change, b/c IMO this is the strongest line-up TNA's had in the monthly era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Stanley 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 They should put the strap on Konnan and move the fed to Mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2005 Are they going to announce the Super X Cup field at this event? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 Knowing TNA... Tenay will mention that the X Cup will be returning...and then maybe throw in a guy or two that they think they'll have. Either way...a foreigner is winning...and he will be jobbing to Daniels at the ppv after. If they do it the same way as last time...they'll take 4 american guys and 4 foreign guys. So it'll probably be something like: Sabin (since he won the last won), Shane, Shelley and Skipper on the US side. Then Shocker (Mexico) and maybe Petey Williams (although they should use Teddy Hart again) for Canada. They'll have to scrounge up a Japanese guy and a British guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, it worked for WCW, didn't it? DIDN'T IT? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fuck. How did I forget that? I must have been burned out of WCW for the most part when that happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, it worked for WCW, didn't it? DIDN'T IT? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fuck. How did I forget that? I must have been burned out of WCW for the most part when that happened. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats definitly for the best...I wish I could. Nice to hear this Raven contract thing was bullshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 So it'll probably be something like: Sabin (since he won the last won), Shane, Shelley and Skipper on the US side. Then Shocker (Mexico) and maybe Petey Williams (although they should use Teddy Hart again) for Canada. They'll have to scrounge up a Japanese guy and a British guy. How about Marufuji for the Japanese guy, and somebody NOT from Team UK (worst X-Cup ever) for the British guy? I'd say Doug Williams, but he's not really X-Division. Hasn't stopped them before, though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolclint 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 So it'll probably be something like: Sabin (since he won the last won), Shane, Shelley and Skipper on the US side. Then Shocker (Mexico) and maybe Petey Williams (although they should use Teddy Hart again) for Canada. They'll have to scrounge up a Japanese guy and a British guy. How about Marufuji for the Japanese guy, and somebody NOT from Team UK (worst X-Cup ever) for the British guy? I'd say Doug Williams, but he's not really X-Division. Hasn't stopped them before, though... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, if Simon Inoki wasn't bullshitting in the news today in Japan, it'll be NJPW and not NOAH who have the deal with TNA. That said; LYGER. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Blazenwing 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, it worked for WCW, didn't it? DIDN'T IT? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never watched WCW... when was this and who was Champ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 When Hogan was WCW champion, he often didn't wrestle at PPVs. Such as: Fall Brawl '94 Great American Bash '95 World War III '96 Spring Stampede '97 Slamboree '97 Great American Bash '97 Fall Brawl '97 World War III '97 Slamboree '98 Also, when Goldberg was champ, he didn't wrestle at Fall Brawl '98 and World War III '98. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 When Hogan was WCW champion, he often didn't wrestle at PPVs. Such as: Fall Brawl '94 Great American Bash '95 World War III '96 Spring Stampede '97 Slamboree '97 Great American Bash '97 Fall Brawl '97 World War III '97 Slamboree '98 Also, when Goldberg was champ, he didn't wrestle at Fall Brawl '98 and World War III '98. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow. A lot of WCW PPV's without the World Heavyweight Champions on them. I actually did watch WCW during those times and still forgot. I'm thinking Hogan's PPV-less reigns had something to do with politics, of course. Not sure about Goldberg, but he could have probably bitched about not wanting to defend the title at certain PPV's, too. I guess I should have said that until the report about Raven being off No Surrender was false, that it was the first time that the World Heavyweight Champion would not be allowed to wrestle on PPV because of a supposed "contractual" dispute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 Wow. A lot of WCW PPV's without the World Heavyweight Champions on them. I actually did watch WCW during those times and still forgot. I'm thinking Hogan's PPV-less reigns had something to do with politics, of course. Not sure about Goldberg, but he could have probably bitched about not wanting to defend the title at certain PPV's, too. With Hogan it was just Hollywood being Hollywood. He would only work with a select few guys, so few in fact that he was bringing in guys like Piper and Warrior just so he would have guys to work on PPV. Hogan was above wrestling more than he absolutely had to, and was mainly just looking for ways to protect himself as a draw. Less PPV appearances, no matches against on the cusp guys... With Goldberg it was just a case of them not having any heels built up to job to him. Hogan wasn't going to do it, Nash was being saved...and after that there wasn't much. Certain guys COULD have been built up with some foresight, Bret Hart, Giant, Jericho if the politicians hadn't nixed it, Raven if they hadn't wasted that match with the pointless US Title switch, but WCW never thought that far ahead. They did a PPV squash w/ Hennig and then had him wrestle faces Sting and DDP because they were the only guys who could really put him over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 That Hogan ego thing really panned out well in the end... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, it worked for WCW, didn't it? DIDN'T IT? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The WHC wasnt defended on Backlash 2003 when HHH, Flair and Jericho squared off against Nash, HBK and Booker T. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 The WHC wasnt defended on Backlash 2003 when HHH, Flair and Jericho squared off against Nash, HBK and Booker T.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I remember that now that you brought it up. That was the match with HHH and Nash having most of the focus on themselves due to HHH's fake-looking sledgehammer shot to Nash with Jericho playing as a second fiddle heel to HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The C Man 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 So it'll probably be something like: Sabin (since he won the last won), Shane, Shelley and Skipper on the US side. Then Shocker (Mexico) and maybe Petey Williams (although they should use Teddy Hart again) for Canada. They'll have to scrounge up a Japanese guy and a British guy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They need to have Teddy Hart again, he really stood out for me. Don't know about the Japanese guy - obviously Lyger would be great - but didn't Jody Fleisch start wrestling again. He'd be perfect, the best spot-monkey in Britain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, it worked for WCW, didn't it? DIDN'T IT? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The WHC wasnt defended on Backlash 2003 when HHH, Flair and Jericho squared off against Nash, HBK and Booker T. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, but HHH wrestled on the show. There have certainly been many shows where the champ wrestled but didn't defend the title. The only WWF/E PPV I can think of where the champion didn't wrestle is In Your House: Buried Alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2005 So it'll probably be something like: Sabin (since he won the last won), Shane, Shelley and Skipper on the US side. Then Shocker (Mexico) and maybe Petey Williams (although they should use Teddy Hart again) for Canada. They'll have to scrounge up a Japanese guy and a British guy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They need to have Teddy Hart again, he really stood out for me. Don't know about the Japanese guy - obviously Lyger would be great - but didn't Jody Fleisch start wrestling again. He'd be perfect, the best spot-monkey in Britain. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Isnt Teddy under some sort of deal with the WWE? I was thinking that if they wanted to do Team UK right, they should have brought in Jody Fleisch, Jonny Storm, Paul Burchill (who can hustle like a X Div guy) and James Tighe (the X Div mat based guy of the group). The only problem was that I couldnt think of a manager for them. The World Heavyweight Champion not having a match on a wrestling PPV...that's a first. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, it worked for WCW, didn't it? DIDN'T IT? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The WHC wasnt defended on Backlash 2003 when HHH, Flair and Jericho squared off against Nash, HBK and Booker T. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, but HHH wrestled on the show. There have certainly been many shows where the champ wrestled but didn't defend the title. The only WWF/E PPV I can think of where the champion didn't wrestle is In Your House: Buried Alive. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I see your point. Who was the champion at that time? I cant seem to recollect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2005 Shawn Michaels as he faced Sid at Survivor Series. Sid beat Vader in a No. 1 contender match at IYH: Buried Alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The C Man 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2005 Isnt Teddy under some sort of deal with the WWE? I hadn't heard anything about that. Anyone else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
