Sell me on Carlito

[Boon 0]

Those stables were over, not the individuals.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I don't understand this great look that Carlito has.  He looks really scrawny to me.  Not everyone has to have the body of Batista, but it helps if it looks like you can be competitive.  The Cruisers like Rey have a speed advantage so most of them don't bother me too much, but Carlito just looks like a normal guy or one of those noname jobbers you see on Velocity.  Orlando Jordan has a much better look than Carlito and is better in the ring, but he doesn't get nearly the attention that Carlito gets.

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I think I see it as a great look because it's something different. Everyone in the WWE looks and acts exactly the same. Cena, Orton, Masters, Jindrak, Cade, Morgan, Tomko, Reigns... they're big and strong, we get it (yes I know most of those guys have been cut).

 

The fro, the purple tights, the average physique... it's something new that sets him arpart from the rest of the roster. I think that's important, but maybe it's just me.

[Boon 0]

I've got no beef with his look. I just think he can't cut a promo to save his life, and the only reason he gets the smallest reaction is b/c he hangs out w/ JBL.

[The Mandarin 0]

Carlito's the best second generation star than Tiger Ali Singh!

 

Carlito is god-awful and needs to get off my TV now.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I had no problem until he came along and fucked with Benjamin.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

I don't understand this great look that Carlito has.  He looks really scrawny to me.  Not everyone has to have the body of Batista, but it helps if it looks like you can be competitive.  The Cruisers like Rey have a speed advantage so most of them don't bother me too much, but Carlito just looks like a normal guy or one of those noname jobbers you see on Velocity.  Orlando Jordan has a much better look than Carlito and is better in the ring, but he doesn't get nearly the attention that Carlito gets.

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That's because Orlando Jordan has the charisma of a pet rock.

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That's an insult to the pet rock!

[Fökai 0]

Yeah, people with charisma - we definitely need less of those bums in the WWE.

 

BRING BACK CHARLIE HAAS!

[Guest JMA]

Carlito was really brought in the wrong way. He should've been brought up as a manager/wrestler, similar to the way Rico was first introduced. He'd occassionally wrestle on live-television (and a lot of dark matches and house shows), but he'd mostly be a mouthpiece and host of the Cabana. This would've gotten him over without exposing him or putting him over anyone else. Plus, he could've gradually improved in the ring and eventually become a full-time wrestler. After all that time running his mouth and never backing it up in the ring, the fans would be dying for Carlito to get his ass kicked.

 

As it is, I think Carlito will improve in-ring wise (he'll have to), but it'll be at least a year until we see any noticeable change.

[Shooting Star 0]

He's not the worst in the ring..I'd say he's decent.

[Silence 0]

What I don't get is that earlier on Smackdown last year, he was working over Rey Mysterio's arm and using armbars on him as well (Carlito still wasn't that impressive, though) but since getting drafted to Raw this year, he's been giving Shelton Benjamin some of the worst matches of his entire WWE career by throwing in chinlocks and doing cheap heel tactics through most of their matches. It's so bad that Benjamin's been damn near killing himself with high-risk moves lately in an attempt to not make his matches with Carlito completely suck, even though they still do.

[notJames 0]

I don't get how people can use the "he's young/he's got room to improve" argument. WW_ is supposed to be the pinnacle of the wrestling world. WW_ Wrestlers should be good enough not to have to fall on some crutch like "oh, he's still learning the business". If I wanted to watch wrestling school, I'll buy OVW tapes. I watch WW_ to watch competent, entertaining wrestling, not good mic work to disguise horrible wrestling. I can't even call what Carlito does "wrestling".

 

His HTM act is so stale, and to top it all off, he's bringing down the secondary singles title of their flagship show. Sure, you can say it's management's fault for putting him there in the first place way before he was ready. But fuck, even he should realize he's nowhere near good enough to be defending the IC against someone as good as Shelton Benjamin, who was way better when he first came in than most of the other lumps now.

 

Yeah, Carlito's got potential. If so, let him develop it in OVW. I don't need to see it on my TV.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I dig him. You guys saying he's the worst wrestler in the WWE are exaggerating just a wee bit. I've enjoyed his last two matches with Shelton quite a bit actually. Plus, he's damn good on the mic, something that most WWE guys are not.

[Black Lushus 0]

I think he's funny, personally...the way he delivers his "that's not cool" line so quickly cracks me up everytime...as far as his ringwork goes, I guess it depends on how you're trying to view him...I never bought him as a guy who's going to overpower a guy or have the technical/high flying edge over a guy, i ALWAYS viewed him as a cheat to win guy, which I think he does perfectly, IMO...he's smaller and less skilled than everyone he faces, but he cheats like a motherfucker to win and I have no problem with that at all...that's what his character is supposed to be like, a big mouth who can't back it up unless he cheats, plain an simple...stop looking for a technical wonder or a big spot master...

[Guest Trecko]

I think he's funny, personally...the way he delivers his "that's not cool" line so quickly cracks me up everytime...as far as his ringwork goes, I guess it depends on how you're trying to view him...I never bought him as a guy who's going to overpower a guy or have the technical/high flying edge over a guy, i ALWAYS viewed him as a cheat to win guy, which I think he does perfectly, IMO...he's smaller and less skilled than everyone he faces, but he cheats like a motherfucker to win and I have no problem with that at all...that's what his character is supposed to be like, a big mouth who can't back it up unless he cheats, plain an simple...stop looking for a technical wonder or a big spot master...

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*applauds you*

[Guest slmon]

If you accept that WWE is about sports entertainment - and not wrestling - then you'll easily see why he fits the description of great, i.e. good-looking, connects with fans, very good on mic and in skits, and is an ok wrestler. That's way more than enough to make him great - or better said - potentially so in WWE.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I heard somewhere Carlito had a good (not great) style in Puerto Rico, but when WWE called him up they told him to change his style, and he just hasn't been able to get one down just yet.

 

True/Untrue?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

True. He had a decent aerial style.

 

I just want to smack him because his look rubs me the wrong way, but that's just me.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

True. He had a decent aerial style.

 

I just want to smack him because his look rubs me the wrong way, but that's just me.

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Would you like him to have kept his look in OVW?

 

I would link the picture but www.ovwrestling.com doesn't allow that.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

No, he looks AWFUL in his OVW pics, Obessesed With Wrestling has some pre CCC pics

Edited July 21, 2005 by Masked Man of Mystery

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No I mean his genetical look. Not just the gimmick look. I am picky about who I look at. I get easily irritated. I'm strange that way.

[I like Forums 0]

His genetical look? So what you don't like to look at Puerto Ricans?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

His genetical look? So what you don't like to look at Puerto Ricans?

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No it's not a race thing. It's a face thing.

[Guest Trecko]

WTF @ all these short haired pics of Carlito. I saw one pic a while back where he looked, well, cool with him with short hair, and in a wifebeater, holding a title. He looked like he could be a legitimate star with that look. All these others though, he looks real..nerdy. Almost Kurt Angle-ish. And he's really lookin like Angle back when he debuted in some of those pics, too...thank God for the fro right about now...

[justcoz 0]

Roddy Piper wasn't a great scientific wrestler, had no aerial skills and wasn't a tremendous brawler. He looked scrawny and didn't have the look of a star. He was good on the mic but also had a delivery which annoyed a lot of people. I'm not saying Carlito is the next Roddy Piper but I think all of you are looking at this way too seriously. WWE isn't asking you to take him serious. They aren't asking that you believe that he's better in the ring than Shelton Benjamin. That's the joke. He's not better than Shelton and he's doing whatever he can to escape every match with the title. Do I think that Charlie Haas deserves to be in Carlito's spot, opposing Shelton, right now? Yes. But Charlie Haas wasn't getting the pops that Carlito has been getting since his debut. Obviously, even smart cities like NY, are able to look beyond the negatives and just enjoy the character.

[Black Lushus 0]

^ damn fine post!

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Roddy Piper wasn't a great scientific wrestler, had no aerial skills and wasn't a tremendous brawler.  He looked scrawny and didn't have the look of a star.  He was good on the mic but also had a delivery which annoyed a lot of people.  I'm not saying Carlito is the next Roddy Piper but I think all of you are looking at this way too seriously.  WWE isn't asking you to take him serious.  They aren't asking that you believe that he's better in the ring than Shelton Benjamin.  That's the joke.  He's not better than Shelton and he's doing whatever he can to escape every match with the title.  Do I think that Charlie Haas deserves to be in Carlito's spot, opposing Shelton, right now?  Yes.  But Charlie Haas wasn't getting the pops that Carlito has been getting since his debut.  Obviously, even smart cities like NY, are able to look beyond the negatives and just enjoy the character.

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You are saying that because a 1980s wrestler that existed when the Orange Goblin reigned supreme had a push, a 2000s "wrestler" (I can't even bring myself to call him a wrestler outright) deserves a push? You do know times have changed, the fans have smartened up to the scientific wrestling/high flying/brawling, etc. The only reason I can see Carlito getting reactions is because he's not supposed to, so it's taboo in a way.

[Downhome 0]

I agree with justcoz, as well as those saying CCC sucks in the ring. I'll try to sum up how I feel:

 

When he first debuted, I hated the guy. He didn't have any offense in his matches at all (seriously, go and watch his first few matches, he didn't ever do ANYTHING). That has changed slightly, he gets shots in just like everyone else, but most of his work is seemingly done to piss the fans off. That's how I look at it, even though I hate that idea.

 

So I went a good while hating the guy, I just couldn't get into him at all. However, as time went by, and I saw more and more of his work OUTSIDE of the ring, I started to like him more and more week after week. I am now to the point where I can forgive him for not being great in the ring, simply because I like what he can do out of it.

 

All of that said, I do think he is winning titles far too early in his career, especially by beating people like Shelton. I'm willing to give CCC time to grow and develop in WWE. If he can really find his niche, he will be a huge asset to the company, even if that means that he ends up more as a mouthpiece than a wrestler.

 

 

 

 

I can't even believe that is the same guy!

[Guest Zarock]

One thing I wanna know is if he wrestles the same way now as he did in the WWC. I think the reason that he's so god awful in the ring is that he's supposed to be a cowardly heel, and therefore can't do stuff like moonsaults and hurricanaranas. I believe that if and when he turns face, we're going to see his in-ring ability grow dramatically. Until then, he's going by on above average mic work and above average mic work alone.

[zyn081 0]

Let me start off by saying that he is one of my guilty pleasures. The WWE have something if CCC is getting my dad to watch wrestling. He loves the guy from the moment he saw him and saying thats not cool. He was in stiches when he told Teddy Long: Carlito doesnt shovel snow and when he told him Ive got a doctors note.

 

Basically, Carlito is like Cena-lite. All mic work, no in ring work. Personally I think his selling and bump timing isn't terrible, but he has zero offense to speak of.

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Which means that hes really bad.

 

I really can't see any upside with him over his former bodyguard other than a better gimmick, yet Morgan is the one that gets fired.  This company baffles me at times.

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Thou shall not understand the WWE's logic.

 

I don't get how people can use the "he's young/he's got room to improve" argument. WW_ is supposed to be the pinnacle of the wrestling world. WW_ Wrestlers should be good enough not to have to fall on some crutch like "oh, he's still learning the business". If I wanted to watch wrestling school, I'll buy OVW tapes. I watch WW_ to watch competent, entertaining wrestling, not good mic work to disguise horrible wrestling. I can't even call what Carlito does "wrestling".

 

His HTM act is so stale, and to top it all off, he's bringing down the secondary singles title of their flagship show. Sure, you can say it's management's fault for putting him there in the first place way before he was ready. But fuck, even he should realize he's nowhere near good enough to be defending the IC against someone as good as Shelton Benjamin, who was way better when he first came in than most of the other lumps now.

 

Yeah, Carlito's got potential. If so, let him develop it in OVW. I don't need to see it on my TV.

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Finally, somebody's said it. All this potential crap is getting me down. Its the here and now that matters.

 

I just want to smack him because his look rubs me the wrong way, but that's just me.

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Ahh, you dont like the Buck Wheat style then.

 

No, he looks AWFUL in his OVW pics, Obessesed With Wrestling has some pre CCC pics

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He looks VERY awful.

 

Roddy Piper wasn't a great scientific wrestler, had no aerial skills and wasn't a tremendous brawler.  He looked scrawny and didn't have the look of a star.  He was good on the mic but also had a delivery which annoyed a lot of people.  I'm not saying Carlito is the next Roddy Piper but I think all of you are looking at this way too seriously.  WWE isn't asking you to take him serious.  They aren't asking that you believe that he's better in the ring than Shelton Benjamin.  That's the joke.  He's not better than Shelton and he's doing whatever he can to escape every match with the title.  Do I think that Charlie Haas deserves to be in Carlito's spot, opposing Shelton, right now?  Yes.  But Charlie Haas wasn't getting the pops that Carlito has been getting since his debut.  Obviously, even smart cities like NY, are able to look beyond the negatives and just enjoy the character.

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Hot Rod Rowdy Roddy Piper > CCC (Entertainment wise)

 

Shelton > CCC (Wrestling wise)

 

I think the reason that he's so god awful in the ring is that he's supposed to be a cowardly heel, and therefore can't do stuff like moonsaults and hurricanaranas.

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Why cant a heel do such moves?

[razazteca 0]

Carlito should be a manager not a wrestling champion.