NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Anyone that has been following politics the past eight years has to laugh at Republicans claiming that they are fiscally conservative or the notion that they would "cut spending" It has become painfully apparent that Republicans spend just as much if not more then Democrats, they just choose to spend the money on different things and then call it "fiscally conservative" not due to less spending, but due to what the money happens to be spent on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 B. Hussein Obama will see your Chuck Norris and raise you this: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwing 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Overall, my grades on this debate: John McCain: B/B-. He went a little too hard for the jugular on Romney, and that probably came off bad. But he didn't make any critical mistakes, which is what you really had to look for. Immigration was a weak point, but he managed to recover on the Tax issue well by focusing on spending instead of the "Tax Cut for the Rich" quote. Pointing to his own party's spending failures for the 2006 Election losses was a smart choice. This isn't a sealer for him, but it didn't do anything bad, really. Mitt Romney: C. I don't think he came off good. Trying to brand McCain as a liberal with the New York Times remark completely backfired on him. He came off a lot stronger on immigration, but it's not good. His support of the "Bush Revolution" was, to me, a stupid thing to say, though it will work for him in the primaries... maybe. Honestly, he didn't do anything that would make me like him any more, and he needed a lot more out of this. Mike Huckabee: A. I'm completely convinced that you could find just about anyone recent history and put him up in a debate against Huckabee and Huckabee will come off great. Bill Clinton would look like Al Gore against him. He's just ridiculous. He came off as knowledgeable, personable, intelligent, and interesting. The more I see of him, the more I will say that he the next Republican VP. He's the perfect combo for either guy, though probably best for McCain to shore up the Christian Right. Ron Paul: Inc. I can't grade him fairly, no matter how much I find myself disliking him. He looked frustrated, and deservedly so: It wasn't until Huckabee started standing up for the other half of the table that they started to get to them. I can't fault him for being frustrated when he's not getting any sort of Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Obviously Huckabee won. He's the greatest speaker America has ever seen. Obama can't even compare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamoaRowe 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Yeah, too bad Huckabee is a wacko. Otherwise he'd be smashing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Blue Man Czech Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Obviously Huckabee won. He's the greatest speaker America has ever seen. Obama can't even compare. Huckabee is engaging and disarming. Even if you don't like what he stands for, which I certainly don't, you have to acknowledge that he really seems to be a likable guy. Can't we acknowledge that both Huckabee and Obama are great speakers in different ways? The problem with Huckabee is that he spends so much time convincing you that he's not a theocratic lunatic that he never really addresses any policy. Precisely the objective, my guess, because when he lets stuff like "rewriting the Constitution" get out, look out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwing 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Obviously Huckabee won. He's the greatest speaker America has ever seen. Obama can't even compare. Do you want a rag or something? You know, to clean up your dripping sarcasm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 I was saying Huckabee was extremely charismatic and had a real chance for over a year, since he had less than 1% in the early polling. But I'm not going to say he's a better orator than Barack Obama because I'm not a moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Obviously Huckabee won. He's the greatest speaker America has ever seen. Obama can't even compare. Theres a little saying about actions.. Seriously, yeah Huckabee did well with the questions he got but the thing is, the whole debate was pretty much a setup to let McCain and Romney go at it, otherwise they would have sat them at the table differently. Huckabee's got nothing to lose at this point, as he's not going to miraculously win any of the major states and he's not going to lose the support in the couple of southern states that he does have no matter what. From here on out its going to be Romney vs Mccain, which will end up as bad as Clinton/Obama already is. Huckabee will be the 3rd wheel (or is that Ron Paul..hmm) in the remaining debates and he'll probably come off looking better than the other two because they're going to be bashing each other over pointless nonsense. Mccain and Romney spending twenty minutes trying to define the term timetable is was the worst, and it was great that Ron Paul at least got to call them both out for it. I think McCain suffered as much as Romney did, if not more because Romney seemed to at least have the support of the crowd a couple times. But no one in California or any of the major states on Tuesday is going to pay Huckabee any attention because hes a flat out wackjob. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Narcoleptic Jumper 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 is our empire really doing that much for you? how do you justify spending that much money meddling in other country's affairs while our economy is sailing straight into the dirt? it's going to end one way or another. it can be done gracefully or it could be sad and deluded and pathetic. it's only a matter of time before the majority of people start waking up to this blatantly obvious fact. the media is doing a great job though of completely marginalizing and neutering Paul. they asked him, what, 3 questions in an hour and a half debate? you can tell how awkward it is for the people asking questions. it's the keep-away-from-ron-paul-because-every-chance-he-has-to-talk-is-dangerous-for-us game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwing 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 I was saying Huckabee was extremely charismatic and had a real chance for over a year, since he had less than 1% in the early polling. But I'm not going to say he's a better orator than Barack Obama because I'm not a moron. Perhaps you've just been concentrating too much on being snarky to notice, but while Obama can put on a great speech, he's been fairly underwhelming during the debates. Just because Obama gives much "grander" speeches doesn't mean that he's automatically the best; Huckabee speaks on a more personal level. I count debate quality, and Huckabee came off way more composed, calm, and control when he was responding to questions. So yeah. Maybe if you weren't concentrating on playing the "Bitter, disillusioned Libertarian" all the time you might catch those sort of subtle things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwing 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 is our empire really doing that much for you? how do you justify spending that much money meddling in other country's affairs while our economy is sailing straight into the dirt? it's going to end one way or another. it can be done gracefully or it could be sad and deluded and pathetic. it's only a matter of time before the majority of people start waking up to this blatantly obvious fact. the media is doing a great job though of completely marginalizing and neutering Paul. they asked him, what, 3 questions in an hour and a half debate? you can tell how awkward it is for the people asking questions. it's the keep-away-from-ron-paul-because-every-chance-he-has-to-talk-is-dangerous-for-us game. Yeah, because they're really frightened about him suggesting deregulation with the current mortgage crisis going on. Or talking about going back to the Gold Standard. How about you answer my question: How can you support someone who wants to deregulate the corporations whose campaign contributions you are so frightened by? The follow up question: How is it to be completely crazy? Do you even see the same colors I do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 You changed Y2Jerk's name? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwing 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 You changed Y2Jerk's name? Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Narcoleptic Jumper 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 you're such a misinformed waste of space, Nightwing, I don't even know why I bother trying to talk to you. how's that empire doing for you? how's that runaway inflation working out for you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwing 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 you're such a misinformed waste of space, Nightwing, I don't even know why I bother trying to talk to you. how's that empire doing for you? how's that runaway inflation working out for you? Medication Time! Seriously: How's your candidate going to stop the EVIL multi-national corporations with deregulation? How are we going keep our economy going by destroying the Federal Reserve and going back to the Gold Standard? INFORM ME how this fits, or shut up. Because right now, you're loose and contradictory grasp on the reality of your candidate seems to be catching up with you. He's not some sort of savior for you from the NEW WORLD ORDER AMERICAN EMPIRE BRAIN SNATCHERS TINFOIL HATS, and I think you don't quite realize this. He wants less government and allow more business freedom. If anything, he's the ultimate big business candidate: Someone who will let them do whatever they want without any sort of regulation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Haha. No, that was the equivalent of me following up a Matt Young post by saying "Matt kicks ass." HOW'S THAT EMPIRE DOING FOR YOU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Kamala 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 dam rite NIGHTWING IZ A SHEEP! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 What is it about the idea of a small government that sends so many people right over the edge? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 I love readhing Narc attempting to fight with Nightwing. It's like watching a hyperactive kitten trying to catch a flashlight beam. Anxiously awaiting more diatribe about how Paul will save us from the Illuminati. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CheesalaIsGood 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 I would think it would more important for RON PAUL to answer Nightwings questions than Narc. Oh wait, they don't let him talk. My bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Narcoleptic Jumper 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 OH MY GOD I JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE IDEA OF A CURRENCY THAT IS ACTUALLY BACKED BY SOMETHING THE IDEA IS JUST TOO HORRIBLE TO EVEN IMAGINE I MEAN CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THAT WOULD BE I MEAN THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PRINT MONEY WHENEVER WE NEED IT TO PAY FOR OUR WARMONGERING FOREIGN POLICY I MEAN ISN'T THAT WHAT WE ALL WANT HERE ANYWAY I MEAN IT'S SO MUCH FUN OWNING THE WORLD AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE OWN IT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Is it a psychological thing? Like a need for the protective mom, or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 If it comes down to Romney / Clinton, it will be one of the worst U.S. Presidential races ever! However, McCain / Obama would be terrific. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Narcoleptic Jumper 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Is it a psychological thing? Like a need for the protective mom, or something? pretty much. it's no secret that what the majority of people in this country actually want is socialism, i.e., nanny state. we get off on big government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Blue Man Czech Report post Posted January 31, 2008 What is it about the idea of a small government that sends so many people right over the edge? THE GOLD STANDARD OH MY GOD HAHAHAHA Keeping the executive branch from being too powerful, hahaha Protecting civil liberties, hahaha Preserving the Constitution, hahaha Opposing the Patriot Act, hahaha ron paul's a joke, heard it on tucker carlson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2008 Actually wanting to the end the Wars in Iraq and on drugs is also very funny. And crazy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
