Campaign 2008

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Evan Bayh.

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Evan Bayh.

 

Word.

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I'd be somewhat excited for Obama...not so much for Edwards or Hillary Clinton.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

To play Republican's Advocate, though: international politics changed a bit after the 9/11. Cliche, yes, but it is true in the fairest sense. Somalia didn't have nearly the same amount of importance as Iraq does today on multiple levels. Comparing two quotes about two completely different conflicts with much different consequences is unfair; are we honestly going to say that Haiti and Somalia are even close to losing Iraq?

 

I understand that argument, and would take it more seriously if McCain and his cohorts weren't screaming about those pushing for a withdrawal timetable are "emboldening the enemy" or "slapping the troops in the face." Wouldn't his calls for withdrawal from Somalia have these same effects?

 

If his only argument was that Somalia & Haiti were less serious, it would be an honest disagreement. But he's making arguments today that would directly apply to the kind of calls he & other right-wingers were making about Somalia & Haiti (and Bosnia & Kosovo). He's being a big old hypocrite.

 

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Im agreeing with Glenn Beck on a couple things:

 

A) The same Republican party that bashed John Kerry 4 years ago for flip flopping his positions on issues is now not coming out and saying anything about John McCain, the new Republican media darling, and his flip flops on issues such as immigration, tax cuts, and global warming. Hes got the momentum right now and seen as one who can garner support from displeased democrats who dont want to vote for Clinton/Obama.

 

B) Not being really enthused with the republican options, especially if its McCain..Beck is advocating letting Hillary/Obama win and have free reign of Washington for 2 years and make a push for 2010 mid term elections to try and get Republican control of the house/senate back.

 

Im not voting democrat no matter what (Obama doesn't have enough experience and I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program). I don't like Huckabee (too wackjobish/religous) and I dont like Mccain (flip flop flip flop). Rudy has a good mix of Economic and Defense policies but Im not convinced he'll survive Florida. Romney has the best Economic policy and since the economy is my #1 issue I would support him.

 

Also, while Im thinking of it, this whole foreign wellfare program...err..economic stimulus package has me pissed off completely. The last thing this country needs is for the government to borrow 150 million from China and the Saudis so they can give people, most of whom didn't pay taxes, a 600 "rebate". Its not a rebate, its a form of Welfare under the guise of helping the economy and since the government has to borrow the money from foreign countries to do it, its completely stupid but the people of this country are too stupid to see anything more than a nice big check in the mail, carefree of the source of the money. And its great, the Saudis and Chinese loan us the money and we'll end up spending the money ob cheap chinese crap and gas, thus making them even more money, not even factoring the money they'll get back on the loans wiith interest. The US islike a drug addict and China is the drug dealer..we're borrowing money from the drug dealer to buy the drugs and agreeing to pay em back later..its going to be a vicious cycle if we dont put an end to it soon..

 

I was going to not cash the check and all, but people were calling me crazier than they usually do (ITS FREE MONEY YOU MORON!) (well its not but anyway most people think it is) so Ive decided that Im going to donate my $600 to a charity to be named later. The $600 isnt going to make or break me, as I am usually able to save about as much myself anyway above my 401k @ work each month and I think the money cut be put to better use through a charity.

 

 

 

 

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I don't understand why Hillary and Obama are not more forward in their criticism of the war, and/or why they don't try to disspell more of the myths of the war. If I were them I would call the Republicans on constantly referring to Iraq as "fighting Al Qaeda" or maybe say something about our troops lives not being worth it to act as police in the middle of a religious war. It is things like that the make me afraid that if they are elected, there is just going to be more of the same when it comes to the occupation.

 

I would be more excited for Obama over Hillary.

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Im agreeing with Glenn Beck on a couple things:

 

A) The same Republican party that bashed John Kerry 4 years ago for flip flopping his positions on issues is now not coming out and saying anything about John McCain, the new Republican media darling, and his flip flops on issues such as immigration, tax cuts, and global warming. Hes got the momentum right now and seen as one who can garner support from displeased democrats who dont want to vote for Clinton/Obama.

 

B) Not being really enthused with the republican options, especially if its McCain..Beck is advocating letting Hillary/Obama win and have free reign of Washington for 2 years and make a push for 2010 mid term elections to try and get Republican control of the house/senate back.

 

Im not voting democrat no matter what (Obama doesn't have enough experience and I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program). I don't like Huckabee (too wackjobish/religous) and I dont like Mccain (flip flop flip flop). Rudy has a good mix of Economic and Defense policies but Im not convinced he'll survive Florida. Romney has the best Economic policy and since the economy is my #1 issue I would support him.

 

Also, while Im thinking of it, this whole foreign wellfare program...err..economic stimulus package has me pissed off completely. The last thing this country needs is for the government to borrow 150 million from China and the Saudis so they can give people, most of whom didn't pay taxes, a 600 "rebate". Its not a rebate, its a form of Welfare under the guise of helping the economy and since the government has to borrow the money from foreign countries to do it, its completely stupid but the people of this country are too stupid to see anything more than a nice big check in the mail, carefree of the source of the money. And its great, the Saudis and Chinese loan us the money and we'll end up spending the money ob cheap chinese crap and gas, thus making them even more money, not even factoring the money they'll get back on the loans wiith interest. The US islike a drug addict and China is the drug dealer..we're borrowing money from the drug dealer to buy the drugs and agreeing to pay em back later..its going to be a vicious cycle if we dont put an end to it soon..

 

I was going to not cash the check and all, but people were calling me crazier than they usually do (ITS FREE MONEY YOU MORON!) (well its not but anyway most people think it is) so Ive decided that Im going to donate my $600 to a charity to be named later. The $600 isnt going to make or break me, as I am usually able to save about as much myself anyway above my 401k @ work each month and I think the money cut be put to better use through a charity.

 

I'd assume we are borrowing a lot more from China to fund the Occupation of Iraq, unless you deem that a worthy cause!?!

 

 

EDIT: So for those that are watching it....should we just keep discussion of the SOTU in this thread, or give it's own thread....since there will be a Democratic response, it is almost like a debate, so I think it is ok to keep the discussion in here........anyone?

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I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program).

 

Clinton's economic proposals aren't very different from Obama's. Red-baiting is fun, though. Anyone who disagrees with Glenn Beck is a dirty commie, amirite?

 

Romney has the best Economic policy and since the economy is my #1 issue I would support him.

 

But Huck supports the FAIRTAX~!

 

I'd like to know what differentiates Romney's economic policy from the other GOPsters.

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Im not voting democrat no matter what (Obama doesn't have enough experience and I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program).

Only in America can a centre-right candidate be called a socialist

[NoCalMike 0]

Anyone else amused how Bush basically changed the purpose behind the surge to "cut down the violence in Iraq" and then looked even more stupid when he said "a year ago people though it would be impossible to cut down the violence"

 

Reaaaaaaaaaally? I believe people said that Iraq's political process needed to step up and whether it did or not would be the true measure of whether the surge is/was working. Nobodies argument for or against the surge had soley to do with cutting the violence down. But again, typical of this administration, when things aren't turning out in your favor.....move the goalpost.

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Im not voting democrat no matter what (Obama doesn't have enough experience and I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program).

Only in America can a centre-right candidate be called a socialist

 

This is particularly funny given that I just read/heard about a whole gaggle of British Tories expressing support for Clinton because of the far-rightwingedness of the modern GOP.

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Kansas has a Governor's Mansion?!

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program).

 

Clinton's economic proposals aren't very different from Obama's. Red-baiting is fun, though. Anyone who disagrees with Glenn Beck is a dirty commie, amirite?

 

Romney has the best Economic policy and since the economy is my #1 issue I would support him.

 

But Huck supports the FAIRTAX~!

 

I'd like to know what differentiates Romney's economic policy from the other GOPsters.

Huckabee is also a crazy religious fool that wants to change the constitution to be in line with what god would want. Anyone thats not a religious fanatic should see how dangerous a man like that could be in the position as President.

 

I also dont know what you call a government program to give everyone healthcare..sounds like a socialism concept to me, but I might be wrong. And all you have to do is a little research to see that while the idea of everyone having healtchare paid for by the government is attractive, its going to be worse than what we have now in the end. Im tired of people who want the government to do everything for them..so much so that I think if the government would offer a program to wipe some people's asses they'd bend right over and take them up on the offer if it meant they wouldnt have to do it themselves despite the fact that it would be you know..the government wiping your ass. Incentives for people to get their own healthcare would be the best thing that anyone could do right now (Romney and Rudy both have plans). There are still states that do not allow Health Care Savings plans, which are one of the best ways people could deal with healthcare costs (I have one, its pretax dollars and its great, reduce taxable income AND have money to buy medicine). I mean, I totally want to have government run the countries healthcare programs..they've really handled the whole Social Security program with such great success, so much so that it could bankrupt the whole country in 20 years..but heh..we dont need to talk/worry about that right now least we have an angry mob of recently retired old people coming at us with their canes.

 

As far as Obama is concerned, I havent heard much directly from him pertaining to any economic policies, its all hope and change and rallying America behind him, but im sure its the same "the rich need to pay more taxes, middle class needs a tax cut" bs that the Democrats are known for.

 

Romney's biggest difference in Economic policy is that he's actually run businesses that made money instead of running them into the ground which is whats happening currently to the country. Of course, he's for lowering the corporate income tax to 20% from 35%, which means "the rich" are going to be making more money..but he'd also lower the lowest tax bracket from 10% to 7.5% as well. I dont think Mccain has any real good ideas on economic plans (hes only MR I WAS IN VIETNAM) and while I still like Huckabee's flat tax..theres no fucking way he can be taken seriously anymore. Giuliani wants to cut he corp tax to 25% but nothing for the lowest bracket. theres probably way more to differentiate Romney/Giuliani/McCain/Huckabee on the economic issues but thats mostly what I know.

 

 

Im not voting democrat no matter what (Obama doesn't have enough experience and I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program).

Only in America can a centre-right candidate be called a socialist

they can be when they are promoting socialist programs.

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awesome

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Im not voting democrat no matter what (Obama doesn't have enough experience and I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program).

Only in America can a centre-right candidate be called a socialist

 

Centre-Right? I understand the differences across nations, but calling Hillary Clinton "Centre-Right" in any sort of spectrum is pretty questionable.

 

Smitty: I understand. From the quotes I've read, he started changing away from the regular party when it came to Kosovo, which he voted against but wanted to stay in until they won. I'm not sure I'd call it "Hypocrisy"... well, yeah, I'd call it hypocrisy. Stakes being different or not, he really should come forth and rectify this a bit better than his quick little statement on Meet the Press. I do agree with him: I didn't support the war, but we have an obligation to stay until we fix things. Frankly, I have a lot of hope for things Post-Bush for just about any of the main candidates, if only because Bush's absolute refusal to give ground on anything has been, from my point of view, the most dangerous hindrance to a successful strategy.

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We need more posters like Nightwing in the folder.

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I mean, I totally want to have government run the countries healthcare programs..they've really handled the whole Social Security program with such great success

 

I feel kind of queasy for even addressing the load of crap that you're peddling here, Marv.

 

But it's just so groovy that you picked probably the most efficient (Social Security has minimal administrative costs amounting to less than 1 percent of annual revenues) and popular government program in the country as your model of evil gumbint socialist bureacracy.

 

Thanks for the custom member title, btw.

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If it wasnt efficient it would have gone bankrupt 10 years ago and it will go bankrupt in its current form when 78 million baby boomers go to draw social security over the next 20 years. Right now every household owes $400,000 just to pay the amount owed to pay the obligations included in the 53 trillion debt, composed mostly of the obligations to social security.

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Im not voting democrat no matter what (Obama doesn't have enough experience and I dont want Clinton's socialism in America program).

Only in America can a centre-right candidate be called a socialist

 

Centre-Right? I understand the differences across nations, but calling Hillary Clinton "Centre-Right" in any sort of spectrum is pretty questionable.

 

Hillary would be centre-right in Canada. She's at about the same side of the political spectrum as our Conservative party.

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Just posting to say that Glenn Beck is probably the most loathsome media personality in the history of radio/television.

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Why doesn't the government pass a law that stops allowing them to borrow from the Social Security trust fund or just raise the 90k tax cap they have on it. We have a progressive tax system, that is the way it is, someone making 30k should not be paying the same rate of social security taxes as someone making a million dollars annually.

 

And about HSAs, yeah they sound great, until you actually have to go to the hospital for something and twenty plus years of savings is virtually wiped out for something as simple as a broken leg, x-rays, cast, and cast removal.....I sometimes think people don't understand how expensive it truly is to go to the hospital. That is why it was something like over 70% of all bankruptcy claims were filed due to people not being able to afford medical costs. An HSA is not a bad idea for something like perscription drugs, or for simple doctor visits, but any type of trip to the ER or Hospital and someone makes under 100k a year couldn't save enough in their entire life to afford the costs. Everytime I hear a republican say "fix social security" what comes out of their mouth seems more like "get rid of social security" and they are just being ingenuine about what they really want to say.

 

We might not need "socialized medicine" but what I am NOT HEARING from any candidate is how we can get the cost of insurance and/or health insurance down to the point where almost everyone can afford it. And I am not talking about the rag-tag version where it is just a piece of paper that says "insured" yet when you actually need to use it, your co-pays are $100 or more.

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I saw Glen Beck was crying on television last night. Dude's a bad motherfucker until some elderly religious figure he's never met dies.

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I remember one time when I was flipping through channels I stopped on Glenn Beck for some reason and he had one of those dudes who writes those shitty Left Behind books on and they were having an actual serious discussion about how The Rapture/Armageddon is totally almost upon us and it was easily the most retarded thing I've ever seen on a "news" channel.

 

 

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We might not need "socialized medicine" but what I am NOT HEARING from any candidate is how we can get the cost of insurance and/or health insurance down to the point where almost everyone can afford it.

 

All of the Democratic plans (Clinton, Obama, Edwards) contain cost containment mechanisms. For example, see here.

 

Warning: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S website

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I remember one time when I was flipping through channels I stopped on Glenn Beck for some reason and he had one of those dudes who writes those shitty Left Behind books on and they were having an actual serious discussion about how The Rapture/Armageddon is totally almost upon us and it was easily the most retarded thing I've ever seen on a "news" channel.

I just saw a couple seconds of Glenn Beck. He said "do you ever notice how at the State of the Union, they never know when to stand up and clap, and sometimes some people don't?" What kind of remedial-ass shit is this?

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Hillary does really well in these primaries that all the other Dems stay out of.

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I knew I threw away my vote today. Florida fucking sucks. Especially the democratic down here. And it sounds like we have our first voting machine glitch in Miami. HA!

[Nightwing 0]

McCain captures Florida. A lot of talk about Giuliani ending this abortion of a campaign and throwing his lot into McCain camp. Clinton's phantom win is easily one of the most frustrating things to watch: There should be a limit on how much press time you get for meaningless wins. I mean, Romney didn't get much coverage for Nevada and Wyoming, but Hillary gets tons of time for Florida and Michigan, places that no other candidate campaigned in? Ugh. Let's just watch and enjoy as she goes back on the previous agreement set forth by the Democratic frontrunners and tries to get these people delegates...

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Rudy... "It's not over until its over"..... dude... it never even STARTED for you.

[Nightwing 0]

Oh, it started. It just crashed and burned like a 767 ramming into the North Tower.