Campaign 2008

[Guest Vitamin X]

I also think his "Bomb Iran" song was incredibly stupid. Imagine a foreign leader of a seemingly hostile nation joking about bombing or attacking the United States.

 

Ha! Remember this?

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I dont suppose anyone is going to have sympathy for Exxon now that Venezuela put a stop to giving them oil but backed off a complete US ban.

 

Gas prices will still probably go to $5 though..

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I dont suppose anyone is going to have sympathy for Exxon now that Venezuela put a stop to giving them oil but backed off a complete US ban.

 

Gas prices will still probably go to $5 though..

 

It better not, darn it all.

[EricMM 0]

McCain voted that way to appeal to conservatives, of course...

 

And $5 gas is right up my alley. I'll take the bus or ride my bike, sirs.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

I dont suppose anyone is going to have sympathy for Exxon now that Venezuela put a stop to giving them oil but backed off a complete US ban.

 

Gas prices will still probably go to $5 though..

 

Why should anyone have sympathy for a corporation? "Oh boo-hoo they won't get to post record profits again this quarter because those mean fer'iners won't do business the American way!!"

[NoCalMike 0]

If Obama wins the primary I don't see him winning the general as easily as some people think he might. Obama is a liberal. And I am liberal myself, but the problem is most of America isn't. And that's not gonna sit well for him in the general and I doubt he will swing any of the red states. Now the swing states are another tough one. I certainly don't see Obama doing very well in Florida, after the Democratic party saying don't campaign there. And then they vote for Hillary when he does. And the senior voters aren't as into Obama as others.

 

I think America is more liberal on the actual issues then most people think, however, when was the last time the Presidency was won because of "the issues" ?

[Dobbs 3K 0]

And $5 gas is right up my alley. I'll take the bus or ride my bike, sirs.

 

Yeah, that's nice. For many Americans like myself, neither of those are a possible option.

 

Honestly, economical gas and/or transportation is such an economic no-brainer I just don't understand why the government can't do more about it. I guess they really are that beholden to foreign and special interests.

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Republican Lincoln Chafee (lost his Senate seat from RI in '06) has endorsed Obama. He's a RINO, though, as he doesnt care for nation-building and other neo-GOP ideals.

[Jingus 0]

And $5 gas is right up my alley. I'll take the bus or ride my bike, sirs.

 

Yeah, that's nice. For many Americans like myself, neither of those are a possible option.

Don't bother, I've tried to tell him this before. Like, in my area of Texas, there's no public transportation whatsoever, and riding a bike on these roads would be suicide.

 

Of course, TX also gives tax breaks to anyone who buys a truck, van, SUV, or anything else larger than a regular car. The get classified as "work vehicles", allegedly for farms. So maybe it's just that Texas is actively trying to get people to burn gas all around.

[NoCalMike 0]

Most american cities aren't properly equipped to handle public transportation in a realistic manner, but then again it probably has to do with the way urban sprawl and the automobile lobby has shaped public policy over the last century. I am sure it isn't a mistake that public transit sucks in most areas.

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And $5 gas is right up my alley. I'll take the bus or ride my bike, sirs.

 

Yeah, that's nice. For many Americans like myself, neither of those are a possible option.

Don't bother, I've tried to tell him this before. Like, in my area of Texas, there's no public transportation whatsoever, and riding a bike on these roads would be suicide.

 

Of course, TX also gives tax breaks to anyone who buys a truck, van, SUV, or anything else larger than a regular car. The get classified as "work vehicles", allegedly for farms. So maybe it's just that Texas is actively trying to get people to burn gas all around.

 

Where I live, I'd need to drive just to get to the bus stop. If you live in the city, car isn't really needed. If you aren't in the city, yeah you kinda need a car.

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Poor Mitt. He's less smug than Evan Bayh, and nobody can ever take that away from him.

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Mitt Romney reminded me too much of the character from X-Men who was forming the Friends for Humanity. I always felt like if someone asked him about illegals, he was going to unveil his plans for Sentinels.

[Nightwing 0]

Mitt Romney reminded me too much of the character from X-Men who was forming the Friends for Humanity. I always felt like if someone asked him about illegals, he was going to unveil his plans for Sentinels.

 

Ahahaha... he does sort of remind one of Graydon Creed.

 

"¿Qué hice a usted?"

 

"You were born!"

[Kawalimus 0]

I think America is more liberal on the actual issues then most people think, however, when was the last time the Presidency was won because of "the issues" ?

 

Well I didn't cite any specific issues, just that Obama is liberal on most of them. I think you are underestimating the damage the 'liberal' label can do to someone in some parts of the US. There was a GOP primary congressional race here where the whole thing was just candidates throwing around accusations of the others being liberal. And guess what? It worked. Andy Harris won his primary. Check em out.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fKNtr-MazaU&feature=related

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9fFpCjzPJSI&feature=related

 

Now I know this is a GOP primary election. But my point is that this guy just labeled everyone who opposed him a liberal, and that won him the race over a longtime incumbent. There are just a ton of people in this country who will never vote for anyone considered liberal, regardless of what the actual issues are.

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I live right outside of Houston, TX. There are NO buses in the city I live in. And to get to the nearest bus stop from my house is 6 miles of driving. And that bus only goes up and down 1 road(FM 1960). The problem is to get to the nearest mall is 30 mins away. To get to downtown(within 610 loop) is a hour drive. Public Transportation is just out of the question. But figure since most major oil companies in the US are around Hobby or Bush airports.

 

So gas at the prices now or higher is only going to fuck things up even more. I am surprised nobody has made any plans to help drop the prices for the only major crisis that I care about.

[NoCalMike 0]

I think America is more liberal on the actual issues then most people think, however, when was the last time the Presidency was won because of "the issues" ?

 

Well I didn't cite any specific issues, just that Obama is liberal on most of them. I think you are underestimating the damage the 'liberal' label can do to someone in some parts of the US. There was a GOP primary congressional race here where the whole thing was just candidates throwing around accusations of the others being liberal. And guess what? It worked. Andy Harris won his primary. Check em out.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fKNtr-MazaU&feature=related

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9fFpCjzPJSI&feature=related

 

Now I know this is a GOP primary election. But my point is that this guy just labeled everyone who opposed him a liberal, and that won him the race over a longtime incumbent. There are just a ton of people in this country who will never vote for anyone considered liberal, regardless of what the actual issues are.

 

Right, it is definately a tactic of conservatives, but again they have spent a lot of time and effort into making people think "liberal" means communist/socialist/pinko/traitor etc etc. And then on top of that Democrats don't do themselves any help by trying to avoid being called "liberal" themselves. Instead what they should do is make a more intellectually honest definition of what it means to be liberal and I think more people then not would identify with it. Right now "liberal" is an ugly word, yet it's equal counterpart "conservative" while not appealing to everyone, doesn't have the same repugnant effect.

[Kawalimus 0]

I wish that would work, but it won't. It's too simple of a solution, if viable it would have already been implemented. The democrats did fuck up big time by allowing it to happen in the first place, but now there's really no turning back. They can't just say "OK, we're liberal, but you really should understand what the term means before you trash it". It just doesn't work that way. And doing that would mean you'd have to discuss the issues, and like you said, the issues really don't end up mattering much.

 

And if a Democrat even starts calling himself a liberal, he will lose a lot of support and funding, and sadly in the current political climate you can't make it without a good deal of money on your side. Lose your contributors, lose your campaign, that simple.

 

That said, it is amazing that Obama, the most liberal senator in terms of voting, raised so much money and is seeing so much support. That makes me optimistic. But I just worry that between now and November the country will sour on him since it will be so easy to pin the evil liberal label on him. And this is all assuming he even wins .

 

 

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I think America is more liberal on the actual issues then most people think, however, when was the last time the Presidency was won because of "the issues" ?

 

Well I didn't cite any specific issues, just that Obama is liberal on most of them. I think you are underestimating the damage the 'liberal' label can do to someone in some parts of the US. There was a GOP primary congressional race here where the whole thing was just candidates throwing around accusations of the others being liberal. And guess what? It worked. Andy Harris won his primary. Check em out.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fKNtr-MazaU&feature=related

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9fFpCjzPJSI&feature=related

 

Now I know this is a GOP primary election. But my point is that this guy just labeled everyone who opposed him a liberal, and that won him the race over a longtime incumbent. There are just a ton of people in this country who will never vote for anyone considered liberal, regardless of what the actual issues are.

 

The whole campaign on both sides (im not even going to count EJ "who knew" Pipkin) was ugly from the start as it was a race to by Harris to outspend and make Gilchrest out to be liberal and it worked. Gilchrest was a moderate republican yes, but he almost had to be in a state that is mostly democrat controlled. The 1rst district is composed of the eastern shore + Anne Arundel, Harford and Baltimore counties. Gilchrest won all of the counties on the Eastern shore but of course it doesnt matter one bit since Harris carried the 3 more populated counties and was from Baltimore County. People around here, who have supported Gilchrest for his 9 terms will more than likely NOT vote for him against the Democrat Frank M. Kratovil, who is from the Eastern Shore, so I can almost guarantee Harris doesn't win the general election. People around here have been calling conspiracy anyway since they kept open the polling an extra 90 minutes for weather problems on the western shore but dont think the same would have been done had it been snowing over here.

[SuperJerk 0]

The quality of the posts on this thread have gone up considerably since I left. Having said that...

 

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

The quality of the posts on this thread have gone up considerably since I left.

no

 

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

SuperJerk!

 

Also, re: the discussion of the liberal epitaph earlier...

 

Polling shows that "liberal" is the least liked political descriptor out there, but "progressive" is actually the MOST popular, it's ranked like this:

 

1. Progressive

2. Moderate

3. Conservative

4. Liberal

 

If I can find the polling data on this that I read somewhere, I'll post it.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

SuperJerk!

 

Also, re: the discussion of the liberal epitaph earlier...

 

Polling shows that "liberal" is the least liked political descriptor out there, but "progressive" is actually the MOST popular, it's ranked like this:

 

1. Progressive

2. Moderate

3. Conservative

4. Liberal

 

If I can find the polling data on this that I read somewhere, I'll post it.

Can we just go ahead and completely relive the 1920s again..that would be great. We like Progressives! We like Income Taxes and Prohibition! YES! Where's my NEW DEAL? Lets bust up Standard Oi..I mean Exxon!

 

The only reason we've called liberals liberals for the last 75 years is because after World War I they so destroyed the word "Progressive," the label "Progressive" that they had to come up with something new and so they picked up "Liberal" even though at the time "Liberal" meant the exact opposite of Progressivism. Liberal meant what it means in Europe, which it still means there today which is someone who believes in limited government, free market, free mind, free society.

 

She (Hillary Clinton) says, oh, well, liberal means big government and I'm not for that; that's why I call myself a Progressive. Well, the Progressives were the original big government people.

 

People are stupid. "I dont like the word liberal..but Progressive..that sounds like my car insurance company..and PROGRESS..yeah, who wouldnt want PROGRESS?"

 

Legacy of Progressivism

 

 

[SuperJerk 0]

Two things:

 

1. I like to think an Obama-McCain general would be a lot less sleazy than the '04 election, but there's no way to be sure.

I like to think that a building full of used-car salesmen would be less sleazy than the 04 election.

 

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Thanks for that imaginative synopsis of the 1920s, Marvin.

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

Marvin really took this thread to Hershey Park.

[Jingus 0]

Can you see Marvin as the governor's son in Oh Brother Where Art Thou, saying "Hey pappy, maybe we shoud get us some o' that re-form!"

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

I can see him as the autistic kid at the end of St. Elsewhere.

[Gary Floyd 0]

I can only see him as this guy

 

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

what happens when a black woman runs against a jew in the south