Rumored Bret Hart DVD Matches

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Oh yeah, I'm buying this motherfucker.

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

I can't wait for this to come out!

[spman 0]

I'd like to see Bret vs Doink and everything that followed it from Summerslam 1993 on the disc.

[snuffbox 0]

Whats the release date for this again?

[Guest Stunt Granny]

Also, the WWE production people didn't want Hart using insider wrestling terminology or calling the company WWF due to legal reasons and to protect the business.

 

 

[Guest Ransome]

I hope the people that are saying stuff like "Great line-up, I'll buy it" etc realise the impossiblity of the finished product including *all* these matches. They've listed 25 matches (many of them 25+ minutes) and this list is clearly only the matches being *considered* rather than any definitive matchlist.

 

That said, I don't want them to include the WM 12 ironman match. Beside already being on the HBK DVD, the match eats up 60 valuable minutes and the spotlight is almostly entirely on HBK for the whole match. Ditto for Bret-Benoit. For a DVD with so much potential and so many choices of great Bret Hart footage, they don't need resort to otherwise-available matches and exclude other important matches in doing so.

[Si82 0]

Okay what, Yokozuna has had better matches than RVD?  I guess 10 minute long rest holds and nerve holds do it for you.  Yoko fucking sucked, I haven't seen a match with him that would hardly escape DUD.

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I'm with you on this cabbageboy. Yokozuna did suck. He was slow and his matches were usually filled with bloody nerve holds.

 

As for the Hart/Pefect matches, I'm with natey2k4 the Summerslam '91 match was way better than the KOTR '93 one. I don't understand why people are going crazy over it.

 

I can't wait to buy this DVD set.

[Guest wildpegasus]

My thoughts on these matches.

 

-- Hart vs. Tiger Mask in New Japan from 1982

I remember seeing a hart/tm match and not liking it too much.Still something rare that will be a nice change of pace from the ppv matches.

 

-- Hart vs. Yokozuna at Mania 1993

I never liked anything involving yokozuna.

 

 

Hart wants a different Tiger Mask match on his DVD. Availability is unknown last I heard.

 

 

Yokozuna's underrated. Everybody has to check out the Hart vs Yokozuna steel cage match from MSG. Hart and Yokozuna tear the house down. One of Bret Hart's best preformances.

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I've seen the match from the early 80s on a Tiger Mask DVD I bought from Japan. It wasn't that great, but not bad either.

 

The other match against a Tiger Mask must be referring to his match with TM II-Mitsuharu Misawa from 1990 TD show. I believe they would have to negotiate with NTV, who own All Japan's footage pre-split.

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No, Bret's talking about a match against Sayama, not Misawa. The thing is Bret felt it was his best match against Sayama so he wants to include it on there. He did mention the location of the bout (which I forget). The only problem is if he doesn't know if it was televised or not. If they can't get that match than they'll go for a different Tiger Mask match if possible. Bret seems to have an uncanny memory.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

What about Bret/Piper from Mania 8? I'd definetly like to have that on DVD.

 

Also, I hope they cover his feud with Jerry Laweler at least a little bit, it was basically a 2 year feud.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Okay what, Yokozuna has had better matches than RVD?  I guess 10 minute long rest holds and nerve holds do it for you.  Yoko fucking sucked, I haven't seen a match with him that would hardly escape DUD.

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I'm with you on this cabbageboy. Yokozuna did suck. He was slow and his matches were usually filled with bloody nerve holds.

 

As for the Hart/Pefect matches, I'm with natey2k4 the Summerslam '91 match was way better than the KOTR '93 one. I don't understand why people are going crazy over it.

 

I can't wait to buy this DVD set.

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Yokozuna did not suck. I'm going to go into why later when I have more time.

[Guest Brian]

It seems New Japan has footage of the match Bret wants that their not willing to release.

[AboveAverage484 0]

They should include his match with Davey Boy from 12/17/95. It's pretty tough to find that match anywhere.

[slabinskia 0]

The match with dibiase is from best of wwf vol19.It is a very good match.The match with bigelow is from a chv tape also,though I haven't seen it.

[Guest Ken_Anderson]

I definitely would like to see the Hart/Backlund Survivor Series 94 match, both for historical purpose, and because it was a legtimately awesome, unique match.

[Guest *KNK*]

I hope the people that are saying stuff like "Great line-up, I'll buy it" etc realise the impossiblity of the finished product including *all* these matches. They've listed 25 matches (many of them 25+ minutes) and this list is clearly only the matches being *considered* rather than any definitive matchlist.

 

That said, I don't want them to include the WM 12 ironman match. Beside already being on the HBK DVD, the match eats up 60 valuable minutes and the spotlight is almostly entirely on HBK for the whole match. Ditto for Bret-Benoit. For a DVD with so much potential and so many choices of great Bret Hart footage, they don't need resort to otherwise-available matches and exclude other important matches in doing so.

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It's one of bret's favorite matches, he has gone on record saying so. I don't see Bret budging on this. WWE won't protest showing it off again.

 

There really is too much content that will get left off...

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

The match against Bam Bam Bigelow from Barcelona is on the Global Warfare 1993 WWF home video, which I have. It's a pretty good match (I rate it at ***1/2), but it's a carbon copy of their KOTR '93 match minus the interference from Luna Vachon and the rematch. In fact, I liked the KOTR '93 match better.

[CBright7831 0]

I'm buying this no matter what's on there.

[Dangerous A 0]

If Bret's participation stays intact, I'll get it. No problem with getting a DVD set Bret signs off on. I will have a problem getting "Screwed: The Bret Hart Story" for the simple fact that it'll revolve primarily around Montreal, and there aren't any new revelations about SS'97 that I don't already know about.

[cabbageboy 0]

Ok I want to hear the big defense for Yokozuna. Elaborate for me these ***** classics he had. Hell the highest Yoko match rating I can find on a Keith rant is **1/2 for the SS 93 match with Luger and I don't even remember it being that good (and has a lame non decision to boot).

 

The one defense I will say for Yoko is that he apparently drew some decent money. In fact I recall going to a house show in 1994 with a UT/Yoko casket match main and it sold out the Louisville Gardens. I think people might shit on the booking of the UT/Yoko RR 94 match a bit much, considering it at least made you want a rematch where UT would kick his ass with no interference.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Ok I want to hear the big defense for Yokozuna.  Elaborate for me these ***** classics he had.  Hell the highest Yoko match rating I can find on a Keith rant is **1/2 for the SS 93 match with Luger and I don't even remember it being that good (and has a lame non decision to boot).

 

The one defense I will say for Yoko is that he apparently drew some decent money.  In fact I recall going to a house show in 1994 with a UT/Yoko casket match main and it sold out the Louisville Gardens.  I think people might shit on the booking of the UT/Yoko RR 94 match a bit much, considering it at least made you want a rematch where UT would kick his ass with no interference.

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There is a Bret Hart v Yokozuna Cage match on the CHV Inside the WWF that is an easy ***3/4. You can't work a match as good as that against someone who doesn't bring something to the table. Yoko was decent before he exploded into the legit 550lb range.

[DMann2003 0]

I'm torn, the truth is I have most of Bret's greatest matches on tape, the benefit of the DVD will be any insights Bret provides into his career and possible interviews and angles leading up to the matches. Plus having the matches in on place is nice.

 

It's why the Undertaker DVD was such a good deal at 16.99.

[Jericholic82 0]

I think the summerslam 93 luger vs yoko is a pretty good match. minus the lame finish. I mean considering it was LEX LUGER vs YOKOZUNA, you couldnt dream for a better match.

 

However the wm x rematch is horrible

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Yea, Luger-Yokozuna from SummerSlam 1993 is a surprising match in terms of quality. I think the rating of the **1/2-*** range is mostly due, though, to the booking of the match (Luger fighting off interference from Fuji, kicking out of a Yoko legdrop, and kicking out after being hit with a wooden bucket), the crowd being red hot, and the great commentary by Vince McMahon and Bobby Heenan (yea, you read that one right).

 

However, I still hate watching that entire show b/c Luger SHOULD have gone over there. Scott Keith makes the arguement that Luger still wasn't as over as he should've been to carry the belt so they kept it on Yokozuna, but after that finish it lent credibility to the fact that Luger was a "choker" in big match situations. I think WrestleMania X was his death knell for me as far as being a contender was concerned as well.

[Jericholic82 0]

The booking did help to hide their weaknesses and it did play off to a great dramatic effect , and the commentary was spot on. Plus Yoko seemed to have more energy that night then I have ever seen from him. He didn't do nearly as many rest holds as usual and the action stayed at a nice pace for most of the match. Plus even Luger seemed to be "up" for the match. I think the fans would have bought Lex winning the thing, but I don't know about his ability to draw as a champion.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Ok I want to hear the big defense for Yokozuna.  Elaborate for me these ***** classics he had.  Hell the highest Yoko match rating I can find on a Keith rant is **1/2 for the SS 93 match with Luger and I don't even remember it being that good (and has a lame non decision to boot).

 

The one defense I will say for Yoko is that he apparently drew some decent money.  In fact I recall going to a house show in 1994 with a UT/Yoko casket match main and it sold out the Louisville Gardens.  I think people might shit on the booking of the UT/Yoko RR 94 match a bit much, considering it at least made you want a rematch where UT would kick his ass with no interference.

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All right, you're saying Yokozuna sucks. I'm saying he doesn't. And if we go by most people's ratings which tend to be "easy" than Yokozuna has been in 5 star classics. THe cage matches against Bret. The one in MSG which is super, the one in San Francisco which is reportably great and the coliseum video bout which I hear is off the charts as well. This would mean Yokozuna's highend matches are way high on the list of best matches in the WWF.

 

 

I wanted to go back and check out some Yokozuna matches but unfortuantely I only have about 1 or 2 on tape.

 

 

I can say this from memory though. First off Yokozuna had the girth and he used it correctly. Too much unfortunately at one point but still any match he had automatically creates a big guy vs little guy scenario which I remember him using effectively. With that massiveness also comes some of the most devestating looking offence in the WWF at the time. The legrop which was superb, the banzai drop which was the most convincing move you'd show to your friends at the time to say wrestling wasn't fake, the belly to belly suplex and that squash he had in the corner. Yes, he had the trap squeeze of doom but nobody's perfect.

 

Yokozuna also had charisma in the ring -- he had the look that stood out to keep him from being boring. In fact, compare him to any superstar in the WWE today with all of their generic looks combined often with no charisma. Yokozuna was better here than 98% of the roster now. "Banzai"

 

I saw the Bret vs Yoko cage match from MSG a few months ago and it was a legit terrific match that had the fans on the edge of their seats. Definitely one of Bret's (Fantastic, fantastic preformance by Bret) best and the best I've seen from Yokozuna. At no time during that bout at all did I think "Ah crud, Yokozuna's ruining this thing" or "I wish somebody else was in this ring wrestling Bret". He did his job well. A guy who sucks wouldn't have been able to do that. I just might have to go back and watch this thing again.

[Si82 0]

Yokozuna also had charisma in the ring -- he had the look that stood out to keep him from being boring. In fact, compare him to any superstar in the WWE today with all of their generic looks combined often with no charisma. Yokozuna was better here than 98% of the roster now. "Banzai"

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I won't deny this. The man had a tremendous presence, no question. However, I have never liked his in ring work and I've never seen a stand out match from the man.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

I liked Yokozuna more as a tag team wrestler with Owen Hart b/c I thought he had an even greater presence. Owen would go in, get the crap kicked out of him, and then tag Yokozuna and the crowd would groan b/c Yokozuna would basically dominate the other team single handedly.

 

By the way, why didn't the WWE put the titles on the Allied Powers (Bulldog & Luger) at In Your House 2? I thought they were a given to win the belts as they were the only team to me that was credible for defeating Yoko/Owen.

[spman 0]

I liked Yokozuna more as a tag team wrestler with Owen Hart b/c I thought he had an even greater presence.  Owen would go in, get the crap kicked out of him, and then tag Yokozuna and the crowd would groan b/c Yokozuna would basically dominate the other team single handedly.

 

By the way, why didn't the WWE put the titles on the Allied Powers (Bulldog & Luger) at In Your House 2?  I thought they were a given to win the belts as they were the only team to me that was credible for defeating Yoko/Owen.

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The Allied Powers was never meant to be a long term gimmick, it was just a placeholder for an eventual Bulldog vs Luger feud. Besides, The Smoke Gunns winning the belts back on RAW made for a much greater markout moment then two roided has-beens winning them.

[Guest Biggles]

I'd like to see some Stampede stuff in there, plus Hart Foudation matches - against the Nasty Boys at WrestleMania 7 and Demolition at SummerSlam 90 for sure. I'd also love to see the Calgary Stampede match again as it was fantastic, plus it had the whole Hart family together in the ring

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Point well taken above about the Smoking Gunns. That title change was a BIG shock to me since Owen/Yokozuna dominated them @ WM 11 and In Your House 1.

 

I'm not a big fan of the Nasty Boys match from WM 7, but the Demolition match from SummerSlam 1990 is awesome. I think there should be some tag matches on the DVD, but should they include the Rockers-Hart Foundation match with the "phantom" title change?