treble 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 Hope so. I was kinda hoping Russ Adams would have a big September and take the ROY for the AL, but that's not happening. Chacin had a really good July but kind of fell off since then so unless he does something huge in his last few starts, he won't win it, either. And I've said it before, but I think that baseball should just put a maximum age on the ROY awards. I know hockey did it after Sergei Makarov won it for Calgary way back when he was either 30 or pushing it. Make it 27 or 28 and there'd probably be less controversey over players coming over from Japan winning it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 Nobody answered my question- if the Yankees don't make the playoffs, does A-Rod get the award? If the season ended today without the Yankees in the playoffs, Rodriguez would get my vote. But it depends on what happens the last two weeks. Ortiz could go on a tear while A-Rod could go 0 for 40. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDon Report post Posted September 17, 2005 David Ortiz is a frigging Dh who doesn't deserve to win the MVP award. Wow David has alot of Homeruns and rbi's. Last time I checked he plays in a hitters ballpark. From left field to center at Yankee stadium is completely different than Fenway. Flyouts at Yankee stadium are Homeruns and doubles at Fenway. Plus in between at bats the last time I checked Arod has to play defense which wears him down and keeps him occupied. Ortiz gets to set on his ass in between at bats and scout for his next time up, hell he can go to the lockerroom and watch video tapes and prepare for his next at bat. Case closed. Dh's dont deserve to win the MVP award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 In Ortiz's defense, he doesn't hit little home runs. Every HRer I see he hits is an absolute bomb. Plus, hes a lefty, which is 380 at Fenway. A-Rod has a lot of right field HRers at the stadium this year, so its really offset. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 As a righty at Yankee Stadium though, he's not supposed to hit them to right. Also...no Rookie love for Robinson Cano? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 Damn it. Santana should win the Cy Young award. Fuck number of wins. Everything else he's still better than any other canidates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2005 Damn it. Santana should win the Cy Young award. Fuck number of wins. Everything else he's still better than any other canidates. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> seriously. I STILL don't get how he shouldn't win. His season is far superior to all the other candidates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 Because he only has 14 wins. If he gets too 17 than his chances do improve. Just a feeling that Rivera will win this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 People would freak out if the Yankees got both the MVP and Cy Young I'd love to see Mo get it, he's had an incredible year, and he may benefit from Santana's lack of wins and a logjam of simmilar pitchers (Colon, Buehrle, Garland) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 That's right New York could have both the Cy Young and MVP winners. Just looked and 1961 was the only year that they won both awards in the same year. Since where on the subject. The last Yankee to win MVP in a year they won the World Series was Mickey Mantle in 1962. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 When's the last time a team had a Cy Young and MVP winner but didn't make the playoffs? That'd be an interesting little stat to find- al? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 David Ortiz is a frigging Dh who doesn't deserve to win the MVP award. Wow David has alot of Homeruns and rbi's. Last time I checked he plays in a hitters ballpark. From left field to center at Yankee stadium is completely different than Fenway. Flyouts at Yankee stadium are Homeruns and doubles at Fenway. Plus in between at bats the last time I checked Arod has to play defense which wears him down and keeps him occupied. Ortiz gets to set on his ass in between at bats and scout for his next time up, hell he can go to the lockerroom and watch video tapes and prepare for his next at bat. Case closed. Dh's dont deserve to win the MVP award. As much as I support A-Rod over Ortiz, there certainly are situations where a DH could deserve to win an MVP award. That Ortiz does not play defense and plays in Fenway are points against him. They do NOT disqualify him. As an example, Edgar Martinez deserved the MVP award in 1995, when he played just seven games in the field. When's the last time a team had a Cy Young and MVP winner but didn't make the playoffs? That'd be an interesting little stat to find- al? Never happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted September 18, 2005 Maybe I'm reading it wrong but looking at baseball-reference.com it looks like it happened in 1962 when Maury Wills was the MVP and Don Drysdale won the cy Young for the Dodgers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 Maybe I'm reading it wrong but looking at baseball-reference.com it looks like it happened in 1962 when Maury Wills was the MVP and Don Drysdale won the cy Young for the Dodgers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It depends how technical you want to get. The Dodgers and Giants finished tied for the pennant that year, so they did hold a three-game playoff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted September 18, 2005 Aha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hhh6294 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 AL MVP: I'd take Ortiz over A-Rod any day. AL Cy Young: Tough to say... Halladay going down threw a big wrench into the system. I pray Santana wins it though. AL Rookie: Tadahito Iguchi NL MVP: Derrek Lee NL Cy-Young: Carpenter NL Rookie: Willy Taveras Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2005 At at least another homerun and 2 rbi's onto Arods growing totals. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ortiz goes tit for tat w/ A-Rod for homers, and still has 16 more RBI. Nobody answered my question- if the Yankees don't make the playoffs, does A-Rod get the award? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh come on. If he could win it with the 4th place Rangers, he'll win it with the 2nd place Yankees. hehehe 2nd place Yankees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megaadvice 0 Report post Posted September 21, 2005 AL MVP: Ortiz, because Boston would miss him more than Yanks would miss A Rod AL Cy Young: Colon AL Rookie: Tadahito Iguchi I suppose NL MVP: Derick Lee NL Cy-Young: Carpenter NL Rookie: Willy Taveras Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted September 21, 2005 Ortiz, because Boston would miss him more than Yanks would miss A Rod who the FUCK would play third base if A-Rod was out? How can a team miss a DH more than the guy playing the hot corner AND putting up crazy numbers? A full-time DH should not win MVP unless his #'s are clearly far and away better than the competition. Ortiz's are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2005 Interesting read about Ortiz as MVP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2005 Interesting read about Ortiz as MVP <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Coming from a Sox writer, no surprise there. A few responses... 1. This is not a case of pure dominance. A-Rod has a better batting average and on base percentage, one less home run, 14 more stolen bases, and a higher OPS. And that's without considering that Fenway is a much easier park to hit in than Yankee Stadium. 2. Ortiz gets more clutch opportunities because he hits behind Manny Ramirez. Rodriguez is a table-setter higher in the order. That does not make Ortiz more valuable. 3. The concern is not that Ortiz is undeserving because he is a DH, and that makes his job easier (the effect is small and unimportant). The issue is that Rodriguez's play at third base adds value, while no value is added to Ortiz due to defense. The other day, A-Rod made a great play that ended a ballgame. That is every bit as important as one of Ortiz's clutch-hits. Rodriguez this season has recorded 107 putouts, 265 assists, and 25 double plays. That adds value. 4. It is not as if Rodriguez folds in clutch situations. 5. The Yankees have been on a tear lately. They're something like 30-10 over their last 40. David Bell just saved my season so I can't check into it further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2005 Last I checked, Rodriguez leads the league in game winning RBIs. Not to mention, with Sheffield, and Matsui getting hurt throughout the year (yes playing through it), Rodriguez has started every game this year. He's batted from 2nd to 5th in the order, something Ortiz hasn't done; making him even more valuable because you can actually move him around for the benefit of other players. Ortiz hits in a hitter's ballpark, but Rodriguez is still a better hitter at Yankee Stadium than Ortiz is at Fenway. He's also arguably just as good on the road as Ortiz with the exception of the HRs. As far as playing in a tight race down the stretch, the numbers in August and September combined as of last night are: David Ortiz: 21 HRs, 52 RBIs .311/.415/.737 Alex Rodriguez: 17 HRs, 40 RBIs .313/.407/.636 You also have to keep in mind that Alex has moved around in the lineup. Batting 2nd, he won't recieve as many RBI opportunities as Ortiz. The slugging percentage in my mind, is made up by Alex playing well at third base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 24, 2005 Hafner for MVP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2005 Chris Carpenter gave up 8 runs in 5 1/3 today...twice in a row he's gotten bombed. Dontrelle going to sneak in for the Cy? I certainly hope so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2005 why not love for huston street as al roty? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
