Bound For Glory OaO thread

[Guest rawmvp]

The problem with making Rhino champion is that casual marks or WWE fans are going to look at him at him and say, "The guy who got fired from WWE because he wasn't good enough, is now champion of TNA? Their other wrestlers must suck to be beaten by Rhino..."

 

And Jeff Jarrett only reminds people of the dying days of WCW. Not good.

[Guest Biggles]

It wasn't a bad show. It was certainly better than WWE PPVs lately, but not by a huge margin. It was a very hit or miss show, and the crummy ending is going to leave a bad taste in people's mouthes. Overall it was kind of just an average show.

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No, it was a bad show, it really was

 

The pre show was the MOTN, and that is BAD, no matter how you slice it

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Shrug. I tend to consider a bad show to be one where the matches are generally bad. The matches on this show weren't generally bad. There were a couple stinkers, but the rest was passable. If this was bad, then some recent WWE PPVs/early TNA monthlys have been the worst shows in wrestling history.

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Monsters Ball and Iron Man were passable, the rest were just the same stuff we've been seeing, absolutely nothing new or special, and that, to me, isn't good.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

The problem with making Rhino champion is that casual marks or WWE fans are going to look at him at him and say, "The guy who got fired from WWE because he wasn't good enough, is now champion of TNA? Their other wrestlers must suck to be beaten by Rhino..."

 

And Jeff Jarrett only reminds people of the dying days of WCW. Not good.

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No, no one will say that.

 

Rhino was pushed pretty strongly in the WWE for what he was. People who remember him from WWE will remember him as someone who squashed people in the midcard. Then disappeared, as they didn't do an on air firing. Came back with ECW and was a threat. Now won three matches in one night and is champion of TNA. I think any way you look at it, from a marks perspective, Rhino is a pretty strong wrestler.

[Downhome 0]

Don't forget the pre-show where Rhino de-bunked Raven's destiny and that Raven had gone soft.  He essentially cemented right there that he would do anything for the title.

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Yes, of course. It started before the actual PPV even started. If such a well told story, most of which was being told in the ring where it counts, is the wrong thing to do, then I don't want to see what's right.

[The Mandarin 0]

Average show. I had really, really high expectations for this as did everyone else (thanks for burning it through my fucking skull and into my fucking wallet). It was a good story with Rhino but I'm not that much of a fan.

 

Anyways, I'm not buying Taboo Tuesday, Survivor Series or Genesis. Saving my money for Armageddon (which could be good) and maybe some ROH.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

The problem with making Rhino champion is that casual marks or WWE fans are going to look at him at him and say, "The guy who got fired from WWE because he wasn't good enough, is now champion of TNA? Their other wrestlers must suck to be beaten by Rhino..."

 

And Jeff Jarrett only reminds people of the dying days of WCW. Not good.

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If built up properly, anyone could be credible in a main event scene.

 

Going to WWE...when Cena first started out with the rapper style, did anyone ever think he'd become WWE Champion shortly afterwards?

 

When Batista first came in as a Decon...then later was the "Monster who Jobbed" in Evolution (if you look back, during the Evolution times, he did a lot more jobs than he should have in that role)...did we think he'd become World Champion?

 

Yeah, Rhino has the ex-WWE stigma to an extent...but if built up right, he could easily be made to look main event.

[Rendclaw 0]

Personally I think it should have been either Joe, Monty or Truth, but I can live with this. Somehow, I think this will work out better than whatever they had planned for Nash/Jarrett.

 

The Monster's Ball match was better than I thought it would be. That Rhinodriver was rather sick.

 

Styles/Daniels was excellent, despite the last second pinfall which I think took away from it. I'm not a fan of 6-5 Ironmans either, but I think the fall should have come at about the 90 second mark, then Daniels pulling out all the stops to try to get the tying pinfall. But to be honest, they need to put those two to bed for awhile, as in not having any more matches against each other.

 

The Ultimate X ending, as I said before was hilarious, but it was bullshit. You simply cannot have an ending like that after how the match went.

 

The opening match was fun, and a good tone-setter.

 

The Tag Team title match was where I think they blew it, especially if they booked Jarrett to lose. If this is a Ric Flair circa 1985 situation, then I guess its okay, but I think the Naturals should have gone over and set up a nice little tag team feud, which is needed right now.

 

Joe and Liger seemed just about a half-step off throughout most of it. I though that Joe was only moving at about 3/4 speed, but then again Liger is rather old these days....

 

Just my thoughts and opinions, take them as you will.

[World's Worst Man 0]

and that, to me, isn't good.

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Me neither, but it certainly wasn't bad. The 6mans were snoozefests, but every other match had some good stuff going on, even if they weren't actually good matches.

[Downhome 0]

Anyone who knows a damn thing about the business wont say that about Rhino. Most people I know will look at him as the champ and say something more along the lines of "it's about fucking time someone else besides Paul Heyman used the guy correctly, WWE totally screwed him over".

[Guest]

They built Rhino up perfectly tonight. They made him look like a monster.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Again, Rhino was never made to look weak in the WWE. He jsut wasn't used as a main eventer. When he was used, he was built to look tough.

[Guest rawmvp]

The problem with making Rhino champion is that casual marks or WWE fans are going to look at him at him and say, "The guy who got fired from WWE because he wasn't good enough, is now champion of TNA? Their other wrestlers must suck to be beaten by Rhino..."

 

And Jeff Jarrett only reminds people of the dying days of WCW. Not good.

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No, no one will say that.

 

Rhino was pushed pretty strongly in the WWE for what he was. People who remember him from WWE will remember him as someone who squashed people in the midcard. Then disappeared, as they didn't do an on air firing. Came back with ECW and was a threat. Now won three matches in one night and is champion of TNA. I think any way you look at it, from a marks perspective, Rhino is a pretty strong wrestler.

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Yeah, but marks are gonna think that if Rhino was really good, then WWE would've kept him. Or, they'll just see some former WWE low-carder (You can make the argument that Rhino wasn't even a midcarder in WWE since he never held the US or IC Title) who is now World Heavyweight Champion in TNA.

 

TNA's best bet would be to make an unknown wrestler, to most WWE fans, the champion. That way, casual fans wouldn't be able to say, "Well if Rhino became champion in TNA, the wrestlers must not be very good" or something to that extent.

 

Because if TNA ever hopes to garner ratings higher than a 1.1 or 1.2, they have to have some mark credibility.

[Guest]

Exactly, and everyone complains about Jarrett having the title, he doesn't anymore and I'm perfectly fine with Rhino being the champion.

 

EDIT: Not to rawmvp, I wouldn't even know where to start commenting on what he said.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

The problem with making Rhino champion is that casual marks or WWE fans are going to look at him at him and say, "The guy who got fired from WWE because he wasn't good enough, is now champion of TNA? Their other wrestlers must suck to be beaten by Rhino..."

 

And Jeff Jarrett only reminds people of the dying days of WCW. Not good.

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No, no one will say that.

 

Rhino was pushed pretty strongly in the WWE for what he was. People who remember him from WWE will remember him as someone who squashed people in the midcard. Then disappeared, as they didn't do an on air firing. Came back with ECW and was a threat. Now won three matches in one night and is champion of TNA. I think any way you look at it, from a marks perspective, Rhino is a pretty strong wrestler.

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Yeah, but marks are gonna think that if Rhino was really good, then WWE would've kept him. Or, they'll just see some former WWE low-carder (You can make the argument that Rhino wasn't even a midcarder in WWE since he never held the US or IC Title) who is now World Heavyweight Champion in TNA.

 

TNA's best bet would be to make an unknown wrestler, to most WWE fans, the champion. That way, casual fans wouldn't be able to say, "Well if Rhino became champion in TNA, the wrestlers must not be very good" or something to that extent.

 

Because if TNA ever hopes to garner ratings higher than a 1.1 or 1.2, they have to have some mark credibility.

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I've had mark friends of mine say for a long time they wish that WWE would have given Rhino a chance in the main event scene.

 

They wouldn't see TNA as weak for it.

[Guest *KNK*]

If anything, Rhyno is regarded as ECW superstar rather then a WWE cast-off.

[jwpeer 0]

My first TNA ppv (I've watched 1 and a half of the weekly spike tv shows as well)

 

I enjoyed the ppv for the most part, was underwhelmed by Liger/Joe (Mostly based on time, as I cared more about that than that diamonds in the rough vs. jobbers match that really seemed forced onto the card)

 

 

I REALLY like Ron Killings every time I see him, he just has a certain type of charisma, imho and I don't understand why he isn't a main eventer, as he really just has the look and attitude of a -super-star to me.

 

Jeff Hardy is insane.

 

I dont understand why they chose Rhino to be put over so strongly, as I hinted at before I think Killings would do a lot better with that kind of huge rub from winning three matches in one night, or Samoa Joe.

 

In fact those are the only two guys (aside from Christopher Daniels who seems strictly x-division) that really come off as having superstar level charisma and attitude and look to them.

 

 

My one real problem with the show, and all TNA shows:

None of their stories or angles will EVER get over to the viewers as long as they're running them out of universal. That crowd just ruins 90% of all the matches with dueling chants/etc. that really destroy a lot of the face/heel dynamic TNA is trying to develop. IT's impossible for anyone to really dislike/like any of their characters if nothing really tells you who's in the 'right' especially to a first-time/casual viewer. It's distracting and confusing, and I honestly wish they started to do some heavy editing on their shows to fix the reactions...

 

 

Other than that, I had a good time

[Guest rawmvp]

If anything, Rhyno is regarded as ECW  superstar rather then a WWE cast-off.

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Well, I hope so. But keep in mind that most WWE marks never heard of ECW until ONS.

 

WWE needs some legitimate competition in the worst way.

[2GOLD 0]

Daniels vs Styles ending at the last second was because the ending showed, neither man had an ounce of strength left. If you have AJ get the Clash with 90 seconds, then you have the exhausted Daniels suddenly have this mad dash burst of energy that takes away alll the damage supposedly done to him. The ending with one second and AJ crying with Daniels going, "no, no" showed how much it meant to both men.

 

They truthfully should have had AJ get thrown out instantly. The guy was supposed to be dead on his feet. I liked he didn't really get any offense in though and was mostly just beat up for another couple of minutes.

[razazteca 0]

I'd say Rhino's reign will be long. Since he won 3 matches in one night, and went over the "No one goes over me" Jarrett.

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So will Jeff Jarrett get the belt back at some non televised show while on a world tour promoting TNA?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Good show. It would have been a _great_ television show, the way it was booked and finished. Was it worth the money? I dunno. I don't regret buying it, but I kinda have high standards for PPV's. Would I consider buying another one? Yes. They got enough pops outta me to warrant it. The stuff I bought it for didn't live up to expectations, but then some other stuff exceeded them greatly. Tough call. Certainly not a bad show. Quite a few production errors, but in general, it was a WWE-level PPV (in terms of style and production) which is a plus for an up and coming organization.

 

The first match was insane. Give Sonjay Dutt the title. Curry and I came up with a great way to get him into the WWE. The man is golden. Aries was really good as well. One of the better matches I've seen this year. Even though I prefer depth of story and all that, if a match has enough crazy spots in it and is paced pretty well, I dig it. I'd give it a solid ****.

 

Joe/Lyger was too short and they should have put it on later in the show. They should have taken out both 6 man matches and made this and the main event go longer. But Lyger stomping Joes foot to set up the fisherman buster was FANTASTIC. They worked a really good big man/lil man match psychology-wise, it just needed more time and a better spot on the card. ***

 

The Simon Diamond 6 man match was kinda pointless. I say bring Skipper in as Sheldon Benjamins weasley lil drug addict brother ("Skipper Benjamin"), Curry says bring Skipper in and have he and Benjamin recognize each other as "Black Wrestlers". Booking wise, I would have made this match first. It had some good spots in it, but not crazy enough to blow their wad in the first match. **1/4

 

Hoyt/Brown was sooooo much better than it had any right to be. Well booked, they worked within their limitations and got theirs spots off in a well paced manner setting up for a good finish. ***

 

3LK vs. Team Canada - another 3 man match that didn't really serve a purpose other than to bring them together for the finish of the show, which is good for booking TV, but for PPV's it's a lil different. Nothing bad, but nothing particularly good. **

 

Ultimate X - awful finish, it didn't really get going because of that. I mean awful in terms of expectations, in terms of living up to the gimmick and being a smart finish, it was good, because it made sense. However you'd think they'd have this match down by now. Short, but I can't imagine them going any longer cause it would have really put the show down to the wire. Traci bouncing her titties when rallying Bentley was probably the highlight of the match. It was a good valet spot. **1/2

 

AMW vs. Naturals - I really dug this match. Its been a while since I've seen a good brawling tag match and this hit the spot. I liked the handcuff spot with Kim, I liked the beer bottle spot, I liked the finish. Good heat for AMW, they had me thinkin the Naturals were going to win at one point during the match, so good on em. ***1/2

 

The Monsters Ball match, in particular the Jeff Hardy spot, was CRAZY. Good garbage. ***1/4

 

Daniels vs. Styles was kinda frustrating in that they didn't use the Ironman stip at all, and I fucking hate that. This could have been a match with a 30 minute time limit and had the same effect. This could have benefited from a, what do you call it? A story? But in terms of a collection of well performed spots, it was nicely put together and paced. The little story they did have was good leading up to both guys using their "big" finishers at the end and starting out small. ***1/3

 

The gauntlet didn't have Joe winning, but I liked the Kip James spot with K Kwick, so yeah. No rating.

 

The main event was quick, but I liked it. Tito didn't do anything. I sorta expected a title change tonight, it was such an ECW move. The finish with the Dudleys coming out was hot. I like them tying all the guys together and it would be great for it to turn into a interweaving clusterfuck.

[Guest J-Man]

TNA's biggest problem on PPVs is time, they book so much meaningless crap for no reason other then to have more things on PPV. It just cuts into the time of the stuff people are actually paying for - and when those matches aren't any good because of it, it just pisses off the customers. Less is more sometimes.

 

No one bought the show for DitR vs. Siaki et all. They should have cut that. Also, Even if there was someone who would pay for 3LK vs. Team Canada because of the Kip James controversy, it didn't get enough promotion (and I really don't think it drew a dime). They could have just done some backstage something to further that angle. They should have cut that match. There is two matches, that's about 14minutes of match time, I believe, plus all of the ring introductions, etc. Give that to Joe-Liger which I'm sure many ROH and puroresu fans purchased the PPV for. Don't alienate them, they are already sceptical about TNA!

 

Its something they have been doing on all of their TNA PPVs, too many short matches because they overfill the PPVs. That has to be stopped.

 

On a unrelated note, I think is the first time I've ever seen a 1/3 of a star!

[cabbageboy 0]

Rhino winning tonight seemed just so....arbitrary to me. Going in to the Monster's Ball he was the guy I paid ZERO attention to. I gave him no shot at actually winning for whatever reason. I figured Abyss would win that since he's the lone actual TNA type star in it. Or I thought they might have Sabu win it since he'd be the most experienced in such violent mayhem. Or I thought they'd be retards and have Jeff win it due to his "star power." But Rhino? The dude has never done shit for me.

 

And yes, the way this was done was beautiful....if it was someone other than Rhino. Someone the fans actually like in that gutsy underdog who overcomes the odds role. Rhino is a vicious bastard heel, he's hardly someone who can gain sympathy on a whim. Let's say they did that same exact booking with Jeff tonight. I know some would be sickened that they'd put the title on Jeff Hardy but he at least can engender sympathy in a way Rhino cannot. Or hell, have Sabu win it. Of the guys in that battle royal at the end he's the guy who best walks the line of "Vicious badass who can gain sympathy."

 

I'm not sure what I thought of this show. I'd say the Monster's Ball was really the only thing that lived up to the hype, it was an enjoyable ECW style brawl. Iron Man was a bit slow going for an X division match, which is an inherent problem with the X division. People expect insane, nonstop spotfests so when two guys take to the mat it causes a "WTF?" reaction. And I'm sorry but that Ultimate X match is just fucking retarded. I didn't like it the first time I saw it when they had all sorts of technical screwups, and it doesn't seem like they have fixed it all that well. Was Petey Williams even supposed to win that?

 

In the end though this PPV will be judged on "Will I buy another TNA PPV?" Not really. It wasn't so good that I'd justify spending an extra 30.00 a month.

[Guest Askewniverse]

Or, they'll just see some former WWE low-carder (You can make the argument that Rhino wasn't even a midcarder in WWE since he never held the US or IC Title) who is now World Heavyweight Champion in TNA.

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Rhino has been the U.S. Champion.

[Guest]

TNA's biggest problem on PPVs is time, they book so much meaningless crap for no reason other then to have more things on PPV. It just cuts into the time of the stuff people are actually paying for - and when those matches aren't any good because of it, it just pisses off the customers. Less is more sometimes.

 

Its something they have been doing on all of their TNA PPVs, too many short matches because they overfill the PPVs. That has to be stopped.

 

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Agreed.

[NoCalMike 0]

People need to leave alone the notion that every wrestler is judged by what/how they did in WWE/WCW and even in ECW for that matter. If a promotion is worth a damn, they can take in guys who can work a match, and entertain a crowd, and get them over. Hell why is anyone complaining about Rhyno being a "WWE lackey" when it has been Jarrett of all people riding with the belt most of the time.

 

IMO, Rhyno winning the Monsters ball match did enough to make him look worthy in casual fans' minds.

 

The Monsters ball match was entertaining and fun, and I find it annoying that the same people who came away from that match with a "meh" attitude are the ones who salivate over TLC matches when those spots took about 10x longer to set up and there was 100x more stalling. Just enjoy a garbage weapons match for what it is for christs sake.

[Vyce 0]

If anything, Rhyno is regarded as ECW  superstar rather then a WWE cast-off.

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Exactly. "What will the casual marks say about Rhino as NWA Champ?" Well, they most definitely WON'T say, "Oh, there's Rhino, WWE-castoff. This promotion is bush league to have him as champ!"

 

At WORST, the casual mark will say, "Wait, ex-ECW champ Rhino is the new NWA Champ???" And maybe that'll draw in a few casual marks. Or maybe it won't, regardless, it's ridiculous to think that a casual mark is going to look DOWN on TNA because they put the belt on Rhino. It's like putting the belt on Raven, no casual fan is going to remember that Raven (or Rhino for that matter) was a Heat jobber for the last year or two of his time with the WWE, hell, they probably won't even remember him being in the WWE. They'll remember him from ECW.

 

I didn't order the PPV tonight, but reading some of these comments, I have to say, some of you must have had REALLY unrealistic expectations for this show. Maybe it was TNA's fault for hyping this as their 'Wrestlemania', but Jesus, some of you make it seem as if you were expecting the best PPV ever, and wound up with a total dud. I'm sure the truth is that is was an average to good show.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Rhyno is a pretty good choice for champ. Not as a long term thing, but as something that kick starts a bigger angle, it works.

 

Raven has a problem with Rhyno. Not only did Rhyno punk Raven out, but Rhyno also carries Ravens title.

 

Rhyno is alligned with 3-D now. The ECW connection there is pretty obvious.

 

This puts Raven in a bit of a situation. Does he join up with team ECW against JJ and team TNA, or does he team with JJ and TNA because it puts him in a better situation to get back his title? He can't go it alone because there are strength in numbers and right now he doesn't have any.

 

Including 3LK and Billy Gunn is brilliant if they are planning to have NAO vs. Dudleyz, because then you turn NAO heel and switch the balance of power away from Team ECW.

 

There's _lots_ of ways they can go with this, which is the best thing they can do for their TV program. Keep this angle strong and keep the fans hooked. The woman that Rhyno was talking about? Put her in there and she can go up against Gail Kim. Awesome stuff, really, if they're going this way.

[Guest *KNK*]

There's _lots_ of ways they can go with this, which is the best thing they can do for their TV program.  Keep this angle strong and keep the fans hooked.  The woman that Rhyno was talking about?  Put her in there and she can go up against Gail Kim.  Awesome stuff, really, if they're going this way.

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I thought that was subtle foreshadowing right there.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yeah, JJ can use Gail Kim to lure a broken-hearted Raven over to his side. Rhyno can bring in the chick who broke his heart. It works well. Very ECWish. Is Heyman booking for them now??

[reign 0]

Rhyno is the type of huy that TNA can give the Goldberg push to...few words and just beat the piss out of everybody...and the Gore has always been badass...especially when he does it out of nowhere...I'm changing my mind as I go about this but perhaps TNA is smarter than I thought...