Worst excuse to get out of a job/angle?

[alfdogg 0]

btw, who used "I don't like how he hits the ropes" ?

[Guest FromBeyondTheGrave]

Austin, talking about Jeff Jarrett.

[The Decemberists 0]

No doubt Vince was the mastermind behind it, but "he was doing what he was told" is a bit of a stretch, I think.  I doubt Vince had to twist his arm.

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It was Cornette's idea, wasn't it?

[daileyxplanet 0]

Personally, I think Jarrett/Austin would've been fairly entertaining. Much more than Jarrett/Chyna.

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

He isn't a hoss

[Jericholic82 0]

Alfdogg, I have a surprise for you. I'm also a Bret Hart fan. Oh my God! How ...is that possible? If you're an "HBK mark" aren't you automatically a Bret Hart hater? Not in my case.

Well, for all I knew, you could have just been posting that to get a reaction after the "lost smile" posts. So, I'm glad you explained your actual reasons behind saying it.

 

Is HBK responsable too? To a degree, although he was doing what he was told, but some people like to make him the sole culprit or the mastermind behind it and I think that's not fair.

No doubt Vince was the mastermind behind it, but "he was doing what he was told" is a bit of a stretch, I think. I doubt Vince had to twist his arm.

 

I'd like to hear about that huge list of wrestlers whose lives he wrecked.

I didn't say "lives", I said "careers." Big difference. It's not a "huge" list, per se, but anyway:

 

Shane Douglas (and a big ECW career hardly compares to that of one in the WWE)

Bam Bam Bigelow was promised a ME push after jobbing to LT, and never got it due to Clique conflict

Refused to job the title to Vader on two occasions, ruining any last chances to rebuild him after he was run out of WCW by Hogan & company

Refused a program with Owen Hart after Montreal, Owen was promptly buried by HHH and never left the midcard afterwards

 

Not to mention that everyone he's worked with not named HHH or Kurt Angle since his return has mysteriously descended into midcard hell after the feuds end.

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To be honest , I feel Shane wasnt going anywhere with that "Dean Douglas" gimmick. IIRC the crowd didnt even give a crap what he did, he wsnt very over (and how could they, as mick foley said in his book were kids supposed to watch WWF and go "Hey dude there was this really smart guy on WWF lets go buy a ticket!_

[Guest Rrrsh]

Douglas as Dean was going no where, and I doubt Shawn made that charicter up for him.

 

Bam Bam was part of the Main Event right after WM XI when he was friends with Big D and teamed with him in the ME at KotR. And quite justly, he and Tatanka were never given that chance agian.

 

Hogan destroyed Vader. HBK was quite just on refusing to job to him as he wasnt over enough. I know Vader fanboys hate that, but no one gave a shit about him even after he got the Razor win on his way out AND destroyed Yoko.

 

Owen should have got the belt in 94, not Backlund. But nonetehless, HBK should have fueded with Owen. You got 1.

 

 

HBK buried alot of people, but they mostly deseved it. Flair did the same, he didnt wanna work with losers.

[haVoc 0]

A lot of these guys refusing to job ended up being better in the long run.

 

Taker "not feeling it" at Unforgiven lead to Brock going over clean in HIAC.

 

Shawn refusing to job to Bret gave us Bret/Austin at WM13.

 

Montreal arguably saved the WWF from going under.

 

I'm sure there is a few more.

[cabbageboy 0]

The truly idiotic thing about that is that HHH spent years trying to draw even a modicum of ANY type of heat while RVD showed up and got insanely over after ONE PPV.

 

I don't think HHH ever used that as an excuse not to job though, he just said that bullshit in an interview somewhere. The real reason he didn't job to RVD and Kane was that "Those guys aren't on my level!" And with Booker it was "I'm going to job the title to Goldberg later on, so it'll cheapen his win if I lose now."

 

Any time HHH puts over one of his posse (Batista, Flair) just remember these things.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

And then he put off losing to Goldberg so he could keep going with the feud with Kevin Nash that nobody gave a fuck about until Mick Foley and a HIAC gimmick were brought into play.

[CanadianChick 0]

Just out of curiousity, did Triple H have a legit reason for not jobbing to RVD, other than "he's not on my level"?

[2GOLD 0]

Just out of curiousity, did Triple H have a legit reason for not jobbing to RVD, other than "he's not on my level"?

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He was sloppy and a danger to anyone who was in the ring with him.

[cabbageboy 0]

2Gold, that's bullshit. Yes, RVD busted some guys open upon his arrival to the WWF in 2001, but he hardly put anyone out of action for a length of time. It was just bloody noses, busting guys open hardway.

 

Also, by Sept. 2002 when he was feuding with HHH Van Dam had almost totally stopped busting anyone open or stiffing people. The whole "The guy is sloppy and dangerous" argument was feasible in Oct. 2001 when they could have put the title on him, but not by late 2002.

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2Gold, that's bullshit.  Yes, RVD busted some guys open upon his arrival to the WWF in 2001, but he hardly put anyone out of action for a length of time.  It was just bloody noses, busting guys open hardway.

 

 

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You do realize that was HHH's excuse not 2golds.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

2Gold, that's bullshit.  Yes, RVD busted some guys open upon his arrival to the WWF in 2001, but he hardly put anyone out of action for a length of time.  It was just bloody noses, busting guys open hardway.

 

 

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You do realize that was HHH's excuse not 2golds.

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I remember Angle said something about it to. In fact even his wife said something about it to.

[Naked Snake 0]

"I don't like doing jobs." Ahmed Johnson.

[alfdogg 0]

Just out of curiousity, did Triple H have a legit reason for not jobbing to RVD, other than "he's not on my level"?

AFAIK, it was simply the old "he can't work WWE style" excuse.

[cabbageboy 0]

He is right, RVD didn't work WWE style and frankly that's a good thing in my book. The Angle stuff with his wife badmouthing RVD was late in the Alliance angle, it had nothing to do with HHH in 2002.

 

It's interesting that Angle's wife (and Kurt himself) ranted on Van Dam since those matches were really cool. The hardway blood if anything added drama to the matches, as was Kurt's hardway suplex where Rob landed on his neck in one of the matches.

 

As an aside I'd quite enjoy an RVD/Angle feud when RVD gets back. It hasn't been done in a long time.

[2GOLD 0]

Yeah, don't look at me. I love RVD's matches and think they were just being pussies. Course at that point in time, body slams were considered "dangerous" to HHH.

[Black Lushus 0]

"I don't like doing jobs." Ahmed Johnson.

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if it wasn't for his injuries and his causing injuries, I wouldn't blame him for this line of thinking....dude was over huge, rather anyone wants to admit it or not...

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Sid Vicious during softball season.

[Naked Snake 0]

"I don't like doing jobs." Ahmed Johnson.

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if it wasn't for his injuries and his causing injuries, I wouldn't blame him for this line of thinking....dude was over huge, rather anyone wants to admit it or not...

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Here's some added info from the Torch, in case anyone is interested.

 

Torch Newsletter Archive

By Wade Keller, Torch editor

WWF Newswire

Originally published: Pro Wrestling Torch Weekly newsletter #481

Cover dated: February 28, 1998

 

AHMED ON SHAKY GROUND

Ahmed Johnson (Tony Norris) refused, when asked, to do a clean job to Kurrgan's claw at the Feb. 16 Raw tapings. He left the arena and didn't show up for work the next night at the Feb. 17 Raw tapings. As of deadline Ahmed had not yet been officially fired, but he may soon be dismissed and is at the very least in the doghouse.

 

From very early on in his stint in the WWF, Ahmed developed an attitude. A few months into his WWF run, Ahmed showed some fellow wrestlers his ranking in Pro Wrestling Illustrated's rankings as evidence that he should be getting a bigger push and a run with a title. He said from an early point that he didn't like doing jobs. WWF wrestlers laughed at him for being a "mark" for himself and not understanding "the business" aspect of wrestling. In the last two years, he has been out with injuries more than he has wrestled, and he has injured others. He was in the WWF's dog house until showing up at the recent training session in good shape. However, his wrestling and interview skills still weren't developing at a satisfactory pace. The WWF's enthusiasm for him had tempered to the point that he was asked to do a squash job to Kurrgan, which he balked at doing.

 

Because of his reputation, a WCW source says they have no plans to pursue Ahmed should he become free from his WWF contract.

 

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/exec/view.cgi/17/2939/printer

[alfdogg 0]

Ahmed showed some fellow wrestlers his ranking in Pro Wrestling Illustrated's rankings as evidence that he should be getting a bigger push and a run with a title.

That's hilarious.

[Black Lushus 0]

LOL yeah that's pretty bad...but seriously, dude was crazy over, he was a big guy, intense...they sure didn't fuck around with similar hosses like Goldberg and Brock Lesnar did they? Hell no, they elevated those guys within a year of being in their respective companies...if Ahmed would have learned how to notbe so sloppy he surely would have been WWE champ at some point...

 

what's even funnier is that WCW didn't want him...then...sure didn't stop them from digging him up 2 years later HORRIBLY out of shape...

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Another favorite excuse of mine is "I'll job to the guy next month, I swear!"

 

 

 

 

Speaking of Ahmed, I'm not sure if it was just kayfabe or not, but seeing him usually hanging out with HBK gave me good hopes he would get him somewhere, but I guess he grew an ego even larger than Michaels (if that was even possible)

 

Just out of curiousity, did Triple H have a legit reason for not jobbing to RVD, other than "he's not on my level"?

 

Well, that and almost getting killed in the Elimination Chamber by Rob. I mean granted, it was purely accidental, but I'm sure its another reason for HHH holding a grudge.

[Slickster 0]

Just out of curiousity, did Triple H have a legit reason for not jobbing to RVD, other than "he's not on my level"?

 

Well, that and almost getting killed in the Elimination Chamber by Rob. I mean granted, it was purely accidental, but I'm sure its another reason for HHH holding a grudge.

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The Elimination Chamber came after the RVD-HHH feud.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Well yeah, but the incident marked the end of RVD's main eventing days on PPV.

[cabbageboy 0]

Regardless of a grudge they were nuts not to play off of the first Elimination Chamber. I mean one guy almost killed another in the ring. Surely you can make money off that SOMEHOW. It might have required a double turn or something.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Another favorite excuse of mine is "I'll job to the guy next month, I swear!"

 

Go on.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

It was a reference to the Bulldog / Michaels match from ONO. Bulldog was going to win, but it got changed to HBK's usual politics saying he'd job right back to Davey Boy the next time they came to Manchester or wherever they were going to be in England. Of course, it never came to fruitation.

 

Edit: Sorry, I fucked up, Its suppose to say "I'll job to the guy next time, I swear!"