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[CanadianChick 0]

I actually thought that the RVD/Orton match was Orton's best match at the time. It was far from crap. I was very impressed with both guys in it.

 

Randy has a great heel persona, regardless of his ring skills. He's the cocky fratboy that you just want to kick in the mouth. He's an asshole, but he still gets all the girls. There is nothing to like about that. With Orton's looks, it's the best heel persona to do. And now, it's increased by more because he's got his daddy telling you how great he is, which is another good heel character. Parents bragging about their kids constantly, for the most part, is annoying as fuck.

 

Orton was an awful face because he really wasn't cool enough to be a dink and still get cheered and frankly, he isn't likable in the slightest.

 

I personally think Orton is a good wrestler who needs to stop using as many rest spots and needs to start using his height soon. Edge used to have this problem too, and Triple H does. It's just strange to see taller/stronger guys wrestling a mid-sized style.

[Guest New Jake]

Edge carrying a match? That'll be the day

 

Another blind Edge underestimator. Oh the irony.

 

What's so bad about his heel persona? And please, try to be impartial when you answer that, rather than come off with the same 'ah, Orton sux0r' arguement you're currently offering up and looking pathetic as a result of.

 

Tell me what is so good about it smartass. Orton' heel persona is one of the most unoriginal and boring characters in history. He still looks like a lanky greenhorn jackass who no one can take seriously. His promos consist of basic strung togeather sentances and lame shrug off the shoulder insults. Basically, there is no way you can take Orton seriosly in the ring. Dingy prick with poor vocabulary skills is not the "look" credible enough too garner such a push.

 

Summerslam was forgettable? Forgettable as in most of the board giving it **** at least?

 

Temporary bandwagon support from marks on an underpopulated discussion forum means nothing. Just look how many people look back on Taker/Orton II now and say it sucked. It basically weant by the same formula of the WM match, only difference being Orton winning in a crappy outcome. The match was aweful. None of Orton's matches really have any remarkable highlights on his part (His match with Mick Foley being the only exception). They either end with an interferance or a crappy RKO which is one of the poorest finnishers to date. This goes for all his matches from IC to World Heavyweight. Orton just doesn't do fuck all for an actual match.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Randy has a great heel persona, regardless of his ring skills. He's the cocky fratboy that you just want to kick in the mouth. He's an asshole, but he still gets all the girls. There is nothing to like about that. With Orton's looks, it's the best heel persona to do. And now, it's increased by more because he's got his daddy telling you how great he is, which is another good heel character. Parents bragging about their kids constantly, for the most part, is annoying as fuck.

 

Orton was an awful face because he really wasn't cool enough to be a dink and still get cheered and frankly, he isn't likable in the slightest.

 

I personally think Orton is a good wrestler who needs to stop using as many rest spots and needs to start using his height soon. Edge used to have this problem too, and Triple H does. It's just strange to see taller/stronger guys wrestling a mid-sized style.

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Randy has a great heel persona, regardless of his ring skills. He's the cocky fratboy that you just want to kick in the mouth. He's an asshole, but he still gets all the girls. There is nothing to like about that. With Orton's looks, it's the best heel persona to do. And now, it's increased by more because he's got his daddy telling you how great he is, which is another good heel character. Parents bragging about their kids constantly, for the most part, is annoying as fuck.

 

All true. Except for...Parents bragging about their kids constantly, for the most part, is annoying as fuck

 

It's never not annoying.

 

Orton was an awful face because he really wasn't cool enough to be a dink and still get cheered and frankly, he isn't likable in the slightest.

 

What made him get cheered when he was a heel is that he was a heel, and acting like the fans wanted him to act as a heel. Turning him babyface took all of that away. He's a natural heel. It's like trying to turn Ricky Steamboat heel. It just won't work.

[The Mandarin 0]

Orton was an awful face because he really wasn't cool enough to be a dink

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I'll agree there. Orton certainly didn't do a good job of playing a dink.

[Guest New Jake]

Randy has a great heel persona, regardless of his ring skills. He's the cocky fratboy that you just want to kick in the mouth. He's an asshole, but he still gets all the girls. There is nothing to like about that. With Orton's looks, it's the best heel persona to do. And now, it's increased by more because he's got his daddy telling you how great he is, which is another good heel character. Parents bragging about their kids constantly, for the most part, is annoying as fuck.

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You see the problem with this is, it doesn't hold water. Let me ask you what heel isn't an asshole that you wan't to hate? Kurt Angle? There is nothing special about Orton's character. Sure there is nothing to like about it, because there is nothing interesting about it. Orton is a boring, redundant little heel and his dad just makes things worse. You basically have a kid in there who needs his dads help to win matches. No one is going to take that seriously.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Orton' heel persona is one of the most unoriginal and boring characters in history.

 

Yes, he follows in a long line of young upstarts who make their name from attacking legends, such as...

 

He still looks like a lanky greenhorn jackass who no one can take seriously.

 

Part of what makes people hate him. He looks like a smug frat boy. If they played up on it a little more, no problem. No-one can take seriously? He's looks more athletic than the HHHs and the Batistas, who of course you don't like because he's a roided up nobody. Orton can hardly shrink in height. So the option is to pump him full of steroid so he doesn't look so lanky, right?

 

His promos consist of basic strung togeather sentances and lame shrug off the shoulder insults.

 

So does everyone's. It's called scripting.

 

Temporary bandwagon support from marks on an underpopulated discussion forum means nothing.

 

Okay...look around and see what the internet reporters gave it, if you consider them more reliable.

 

Just look how many people look back on Taker/Orton II now and say it sucked. It basically weant by the same formula of the WM match, only difference being Orton winning in a crappy outcome. The match was aweful.

 

Great...but I was talking about Orton versus Chris Benoit.

 

None of Orton's matches really have any remarkable highlights on his part (His match with Mick Foley being the only exception). They either end with an interferance or a crappy RKO which is one of the poorest finnishers to date.

 

1) Purely down to the way Orton's booked and 2) Your personal opinion on the RKO.

 

This goes for all his matches from IC to World Heavyweight. Orton just doesn't do fuck all for an actual match.

 

As opposed to...lets say, New Jack?

[Black Lushus 0]

how is New Jack still able to post here?

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

2) Your personal opinion on the RKO.

The RKO is pretty bad looking. He really should work on making it look more like the Diamond Cutter.

[Guest Zarock]

I like the RKO. It looks a lot more spontaneous the Diamond Cutter, which helps the "It Can Come Out From Anywhere" gimmick it has.

[naiwf 0]

I like the RKO.  It looks a lot more spontaneous the Diamond Cutter, which helps the "It Can Come Out From Anywhere" gimmick it has.

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Maybe so, but the Diamond Cutter made it look like the guy's face always hit the mat at high speed. Orton's RKO clearly has him take a bigger bump than his opponent does since he basically jumps in the air and lands flat on his back while the guy taking the move just falls forward. He's never hit one on a man that looked deadly because of the way he does it, which pretty much makes the move look ineffective in my book.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

It looks a lot more spontaneous the Diamond Cutter, which helps the "It Can Come Out From Anywhere" gimmick it has.

 

I've never seen him hit the RKO out of "anywhere" like DDP could hit the diamond cutter.

 

When Orton back-body drops someone, and gives them the RKO on the way down, then maybe...until then, it still looks like a bad diamond cutter.

[nl5xsk1 0]

You basically have a kid in there who needs his dads help to win matches. No one is going to take that seriously.

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I can think of a guy from the 1980's that needed help from his 'cousins' to win a lot of matches ... he seemed to be a pretty good heel.

[Foshi 0]

Here's the best I could come up with...

 

Armageddon

 

Hell in a Cell

Orton vs Taker

 

Winner Receives Spot #30 in the Royal Rumble

Matt Hardy vs Rey Mysterio

 

Respect Match

Bobby Lashley vs JBL

 

United States Championship

Chris Benoit vs Booker T

 

Cruiserweight Championship

Juvi vs Kid Kash

 

Tag Team Championship

MNM vs Vito and Nunzio

 

Elimination Match for a Title Shot

LOD2K5 vs The Dicks vs Burchill/Regal vs Mexicools

 

Edit: If Batista is up to, give him a title match against someone as well.

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Looks pretty cool. I really like Juvi/Kid Kash. Only thing is I think Vito and Nunzio haven't exactly been pushed as a legit team to challenge for the titles, so maybe swap them with someone from the elimination match, either LOD or the Mexicools.

[Guest Quik]

As far as simple gimmick posters go, provided they keep it sporadic and don't kill it, ROTM can probly consistently get a chuckle out of me. I mean, look at the lyrics... Mercy Drive sucks.

 

Oh, and Randy can be one of the best heels in the WWE. A while back I said the same thing Canadian Chick said, he looks exactly like the kind of guy we all hate, but all secretly want to be like. That's why he started to get over.

[Guest New Jake]

Yes, he follows in a long line of young upstarts who make their name from attacking legends, such as...

 

And that makes his schtick interesting?

 

Part of what makes people hate him. He looks like a smug frat boy. If they played up on it a little more, no problem. No-one can take seriously? He's looks more athletic than the HHHs and the Batistas, who of course you don't like because he's a roided up nobody. Orton can hardly shrink in height. So the option is to pump him full of steroid so he doesn't look so lanky, right?

 

Orton athletic? Sure...

 

Orton's "smug fratboy" look makes him come across more as a jackass undeserving of his spot then an actual heel. Being a perpetually annoying prick everytime you come on tv does not make you a good heel.

 

So does everyone's. It's called scripting?

 

Everyone? You need to watch more RAW. When Cena or HHH aren't doing promos that is.

 

 

Okay...look around and see what the internet reporters gave it, if you consider them more reliable.

 

Internet reporters? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! They're words are about as important as a monkey space launch.

 

Great...but I was talking about Orton versus Chris Benoit.

 

Which was barely avarage. Nothing spectaculare.

 

1) Purely down to the way Orton's booked and 2) Your personal opinion on the RKO.

 

1) Still not an excuse to say he he's the future or deserves this bullshit push. If a bird can't fly, kill it. And bullshit, match pacing isn't scripted. Orton has no sence of ring psychology. Period.

 

2) Many more people share my sentiments on the RKO. It is a weak finnisher.

 

As opposed to...lets say, New Jack?

 

LOL nice try. At least New Jack got over with his thing and still his. His schtick never got boring. Orton' never kicked off. And he's boring.

 

New Jack>Orton.

 

Whats better? A pussy who hits old people with a botched Diamond Cutter, or a guy who actually sliced up a 17 year old fat fuck and got away with it.

[haVoc 0]

Orton's "smug fratboy" look makes him come across more as a jackass undeserving of his spot then an actual heel. Being a perpetually annoying prick everytime you come on tv does not make you a good heel.

 

What makes a good heel?

[snuffbox 0]

Orton's "smug fratboy" look makes him come across more as a jackass undeserving of his spot then an actual heel. Being a perpetually annoying prick everytime you come on tv does not make you a good heel.

 

What makes a good heel?

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A good heel makes people want to see him get his ass kicked...not make people not want to see him at all.

[cabbageboy 0]

A good heel is someone I'd pay money to see get his ass kicked, but really not mind as a performer (as in I'd think the guy was a solid wrestler).

 

I actually agree with New Jake on quite a bit of this, though I'm not as viciously anti Orton as he is. I have never found any Orton matches to be terribly memorable aside from the Foley streetfight. The Benoit matches apparently made zero impression on me because I know I saw both and am bewildered that anyone found either to be ****. Hell, I thought Benoit got more out of Kane on that Bad Blood PPV.

 

The Orton Formula goes as thus: Decent beginning, insanely boring midsection with nothing but his boring headlocks and resting, then a flurry at the finish. This makes people think they've seen a good match, though there really isn't any "there" there.