bob_barron 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2005 All three contracts are retarded. I'm happy for Raffy, but I'm glad the Braves didn't try to overpay for him. He's going to be a FA again at 30, and the Dodgers are again going to owe him a huge contract. For the first half of the year, Raffy was not that good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2005 Paul Byrd is headed to Cleveland. 2 years and a bit over $14mill with an $8mill club option for a third year. The spending thus far this offseason is ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted December 4, 2005 All of our good to great prospects will be up by then so Raffy will just be let go and won't get an offer from the Dodgers. Paul Byrd is headed to Cleveland. 2 years and a bit over $14mill with an $8mill club option for a third year. The spending thus far this offseason is ridiculous. He should have gotten no more than 5.5 a year and the club definitely won't be picking up that option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2005 Unless he is asking for a ridiculous amount, I am kind of surprised they didn't put that money toward resigning Millwood. That doesn't seem like too bad of a deal for the Indians. The market for Byrd's level of pitcher is in the $6-7 mil/yr. range (since his return from injury his ERA is around 3.85). It's not like the Mets and Blue Jays, who blew up the closer market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Looks like the trade is Paul Lo Duca to the Mets for Gaby Hernandez and someone else. The Marlins' firesale continues and the Mets continue to throw away money while not significantly improving their team. In their pursuit of a championship, the Mets have now traded away three of their top four prospects and thrown in this year's first round pick to boot. In return, they received a reliever, a first baseman slightly better than the first base prospect they gave up for him, and the worst second half hitter in baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 But they are getting expensive, big names; therefore they have a commitment to winning. I thought Mik was nuts suggesting that LoDuca being in the previous deal might have got them Milledge, but seeing them throw away their number 3 prospect, maybe he was on the right track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 LODUCA HAS INTANGIBLES!!! THAT IDIOT DEPODESTA SHALL BURN IN HELL!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Sigh. I can't argue with a single thing Al just said, and that depresses me greatly. Even if the Mets make a run at a championship this year, they're screwed for the next few years afterwards. Maybe they're figuring that their network's going to give them tons of disposable income to throw at crusty veterans year after year. The Mets are basically going to be the Yankees by 2007. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 (edited) Your updated Marlins scorecard: Going: Beckett Lowell Mota Delgado LoDuca Castillo Pierre Coming: Hanley Ramirez Anibal Sanchez Jesus Delgado Harvey Garcia Gaby Hernandez Yusmeiro Petit Mike Jacobs Grant Psomas Travis Bowyer Scott Tyler Sergio Mitre Renyel Pinto Ricky Nolasco Dante Brinkley I don't think I forgot anyone, but it's possible. Plus they still have Pierre and Villone still reportedly on the move. And I would think they have to offer arb. to Burnett since they know he will get signed, bringing in 2 first rounders. Is it safe to say they now have the best farm in baseball? Edited December 10, 2005 by the pinjockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Dodgers, Angels, and Marlins are at the top. Dodgers are still stacked and the Angels have a ton of potential superstar players. I'd say Marlins - but I'm biased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted December 5, 2005 I think it's the Dodgers unless Edwin Jackson and Billingsley don't pan out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Don't forget the Marlins will also lose A.J. Burnett, Jeff Conine, Juan Encarnacion, and Alex Gonzalez to free agency. Right now, only Juan Pierre and Miguel Cabrera are still under contract from last year's starting lineup, and Pierre's likely on his way out as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Sigh. I can't argue with a single thing Al just said, and that depresses me greatly. Even if the Mets make a run at a championship this year, they're screwed for the next few years afterwards. Maybe they're figuring that their network's going to give them tons of disposable income to throw at crusty veterans year after year. The Mets are basically going to be the Yankees by 2007. In fairness, the Mets pythagorean record was 89-73 last year. They are going to contend for a title the next couple seasons at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Next year's team (not totally because I can't even begin to speculate who will come in for Pierre and Villone so for the sake of this discussion, JP is still on the team) C: Josh Willingham 1B: Mike Jacobs 2B: Robert Andino or Josh Wilson SS: Hanley Ramirez 3B: Miguel Cabrera LF: Joe Dillon (??) CF: Juan Pierre RF: Jeremy Hermida SPs: Dontrelle Willis Scott Olsen Jason Vargas Brian Moehler Whatever prospect is most ready I should also mention that there is heavy talk of one or two of the pitching prospects going to Tampa Bay for Toby Hall and Joey Gathright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 How is it that all the Marlins ask for in a trade to a team IN THEIR division is a PTBNL, but they ask the Yankees for Cano in return for Pierre? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Sigh. I can't argue with a single thing Al just said, and that depresses me greatly. Even if the Mets make a run at a championship this year, they're screwed for the next few years afterwards. Maybe they're figuring that their network's going to give them tons of disposable income to throw at crusty veterans year after year. The Mets are basically going to be the Yankees by 2007. In fairness, the Mets pythagorean record was 89-73 last year. They are going to contend for a title the next couple seasons at least. I don't like this move because Piazza would probably be BETTER over the next two years even though he's a bit older than Lo Duca. Lo Duca's just as bad as Piazza defensively (if not worse), and Piazza's better offensively. They could've let Castro play a bit more and kept Gaby Hernandez. They basically just have Milledge, Bannister, Pelfrey (who they didn't sign yet) and Humber (who had TJ surgery) left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted December 5, 2005 How is it that all the Marlins ask for in a trade to a team IN THEIR division is a PTBNL, but they ask the Yankees for Cano in return for Pierre? Repeat customer discount? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 (edited) They didn't just get a PTBNL. They got Gaby Hernandez, the Mets #3 prospect. Edited December 5, 2005 by Mik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Why can't they just take Henn and Proctor? Please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 So now I guess A.J. Burnett now has caught the eye of the Cubs. As much trouble as they've had with their rotation in the last two years, I sure hope they don't empty the bank account on him. Their starting rotation even without Wood is better than most. Just because they lost out of Furcal doesn't mean they have to give up on the offense all together. Let's not forget what the projected outfield looks like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Coming from the man himself, Rick White is either going to sign with the Red Sox or Yankees in the next couple days. Cashman, LET THE SOX HAVE HIM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Sigh. Paul Lo Duca. The Mets are doing the same thing they did in the late 90s: Trading all their prospects to the Marlins. It will probably benefit them in the short run, but they will pay for it in a few years. The media has significantly overrated LoDuca (Bill Plashcke) for "putting the bat on the ball" and the like, but as Al said he just disappears in the second half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Coming from the man himself, Rick White is either going to sign with the Red Sox or Yankees in the next couple days. Cashman, LET THE SOX HAVE HIM. Yeah, no thank you.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Baseball Tonight on from 2:30 to 3:30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 What's so bad about Rick White? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 He's not that good. Doesn't get alot of strikeouts, isn't a control pitcher so he doesn't have a great WHIP. The overall ERA and adjusted ERA is mediocre for a middle reliever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Local sports news guy here in town (in Dallas for the winter meetings) just said that the Hendricks brothers, agents for Roger Clemens, met with Astros management today and told them that it will be at least late January and maybe early February before Roger decides whether he will pitch in 2006 or not. They also said the Astros decision to offer or not offer arby to him by Wednesday doesn't affect anything and that there is a possibility that Clemens will pitch in the World Baseball Classic next year but not in the majors next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Monty Burns Report post Posted December 5, 2005 What's so bad about Rick White? Isn't he like 50 years old now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Rick White's not a world beater. He's 37, still has some mileage left. He'll give you a league average ERA and won't hurt you much with walks. It doesn't sound like much but considering the pathetic state of both teams' bullpens, he would've been an asset last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2005 Blue Jays are reportedly close to overpaying for Burnett since the Cards won't guarantee him a fifth year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
