NFL Week XV

[Guest Vitamin X]

If the Skins win out, they just need Atlanta to lose one of their remaining games and they are in....there is OTHER ways for them to get in too, I just can't remember.

 

there are

[therealworldschampion 0]

Mora nearly pulled a Woody Hayes on the ref.

[Urban Warfare 0]

That was possibly the worst call all year on 4th down.

[Annabelle 0]

those bears looked good. damned good.

[NoCalMike 0]

LOL @ D. Armstrong, a Guard for the Mavericks, before the game he gets on the mic and says "How bout them Redskins" LOL....he is from North Carolina so he is most like a Skins fan, but hey it takes balls to do that to the home crowd in Dallas....lol.

[The Czech Republic 0]

those bears looked good. damned good.

Next year they'll look awful and this will be a distant memory. God bless the NFL!

 

Hey, good to see Grossman back, though.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

The offense looked more crisp with Grossman back, so let's hope he stays healthy longer this time around.

[MikeJordan23 0]

[nl5xsk1 0]

I think Cincy would definitely beat New England. I'm still not that impressed with New England. The win today was nice but it was at home in freezing weather, and Tampa isn't as good as their record would indicate anyway. Palmer would have a field day with that secondary.

 

"Freezing weather"?!? It was upper 30s and felt warmer because the sun. I think calling that freezing weather is a stretch.

 

I think Cincy/NE would be a good match-up. It's tough to say who'd win, because the NE D has looked really good lately ... but has it looked good enough to beat a team with as many weapons as the Bengals? Who knows. But it's also unlikely to happen, unless some of the top seeds fall in the postseason.

[Black Lushus 0]

NE is STILL my pick for the SB...

[nl5xsk1 0]

^ Mine, too, but I'm probably a bit biased.

 

Regardless who wins the AFC, I can't see them losing to whomever the NFC sends.

[Black Lushus 0]

not to bring out tired sports cliches, but the Patriots are going to be "that team no one wants to face in the playoffs"...as far as the NFC, who, other than Seattle, can really contend? I see the Bears getting bounced in their first playoff game again and then going through another 3 or 4 years of mediocrity. Something about them screams "not for real".

[Slayer 0]

That Joe Gibbs wave at Bill Parcells was funny. Parcells walked straight to the locker room after the game.

That reminds me about how underrated the Gibbs vs. Parcells rivalry was... from '82-'91 they went to six SBs and won five and always played each other tough.

[jwpeer 0]

It's just a telling situation that the top two teams in the NFC North scored a combined 6 points against the steelers in back to back weeks...but the Bears slaughter the falcons. the NFC is still terrible, if not worse because it doesn't have Philadelphia anymore (even Seattle is a suspect team that looked vulnerable against the Titans)

 

It's plausible that the top -8- teams in the AFC, could win out in the NFC. And that's sad. I mean San Diego, Kansas City, Jax, and Pittsburgh...two of those teams WILL miss the playoffs, and they're good (decent in the case of K.C.) teams.

[Fuzzy Dunlop 0]

It's just a telling situation that the top two teams in the NFC North scored a combined 6 points against the steelers in back to back weeks

 

That's just not even accurate.

[The Man in Blak 0]

Speaks volumes about the Falcons, sure. It's probably telling about the effect that Kyle Orton has had on the Bears this year as well, since the Bears looked like they actually were putting an offense together once Grossman came into the game. I don't know if I'd project that onto the entire conference, though.

[cabbageboy 0]

Hell, even if it was upper 30s that is still too cold for the Bucs. Aren't they like 2-100 lifetime when it's below 40 degrees? Add in Chris Simms and you had to figure they'd get killed. Besides, this team lost to the Jets and Niners this year, so you have to wonder about how good they really are.

 

Look, it needs to be said right now: The Patriots aren't going to the Super Bowl. I'd like to know how in the hell they are going to beat Jacksonville (at home), then the Colts on the road, and then the winner of Cincy/Denver most likely, also on the road. I mean shit I have them losing the first round to Jacksonville, who unlike the Bucs won't be as crappy in cold weather. If they beat Jacksonville it'll be on some Vinatieri FG in the last 2:00. Then the next week--if they advance--the Colts would surely beat their asses.

[Slayer 0]

I think the only cold game Tampa ever won was the '02 NFC title game.

 

That's not entirely fair though as for most of their existence they just plain sucked, cold or warm.

[Just John 0]

The Jags don't score enough to beat the Pats. New England could easily win some ugly 19-13 like game against them. Getting past the Colts would be another issue, but it's far from unlikely that the Pats could beat the Jags in Foxboro.

Edited December 19, 2005 by Just John

[mike546 0]

It's just a telling situation that the top two teams in the NFC North scored a combined 6 points against the steelers in back to back weeks...but the Bears slaughter the falcons. the NFC is still terrible, if not worse because it doesn't have Philadelphia anymore (even Seattle is a suspect team that looked vulnerable against the Titans)

 

It's plausible that the top -8- teams in the AFC, could win out in the NFC. And that's sad. I mean San Diego, Kansas City, Jax, and Pittsburgh...two of those teams WILL miss the playoffs, and they're good (decent in the case of K.C.) teams.

 

 

You can't say that about Dallas and the Giants. Giants beat the Broncos and Chiefs. Dallas beat the Chargers and Kansas City.You can't really say the Giants or any NFC East team can't beat the Bengals or Steelers because the NFC east didn't play that division. Both the Cowboys and Giants took out 2 of the top 3 teams in the AFC west.

Edited December 19, 2005 by mike546

[Ripper 0]

If I was Kyle Orton I would be pissed. Rex Grossman came in the game and they started calling all these 1 step drop passes that seriously, anyone would complete with the falcons corners playing 15 yards off. Poor Kyle didn't get any of those calls.

 

As for the game last night, I said it when the Falcons beat the Dolphins and Vick became pocket passer Vick. That is not how this offense is going to score and they needed to stop that shit. A combination of Jim Mora and Greg Knapp are to blame for this. When Vick came along complaining about the amount of critisizm he took by stupid people for the past couple of years and them not calling him a QB, they should have just said that we are winning and this is how we are going to play. When the Falcons run the stretch play with Vick on a naked boot to the other side with a pulling TE, they are almost unstoppable because you have to account for the running back, vick running and the TE. Instead they are running a traditional offense now and it is useless.

 

The best offensive plays Vick had last night was with his feet. But he refused to tuck and go after that because he is still trying to show he is a pocket QB. Thats like Dirk saying he won't take jumpshots anymore because he was to be a more convential 7 foot guy in the NBA. You use what makes you unique and the ability to run a 4.3 at the QB postition is what does it.

 

Now the Falcons have to win out and get some help to get in the playoffs, and they have two very tough games coming up. Mr. Pass for 250 per game Vick had better sit the fuck down and let Mr. Pass for 150 and rush for 70 vick show up so this team can win and let the dumbasses talk.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

It's just a telling situation that the top two teams in the NFC North scored a combined 6 points against the steelers in back to back weeks...but the Bears slaughter the falcons. the NFC is still terrible, if not worse because it doesn't have Philadelphia anymore (even Seattle is a suspect team that looked vulnerable against the Titans)

 

It's plausible that the top -8- teams in the AFC, could win out in the NFC. And that's sad. I mean San Diego, Kansas City, Jax, and Pittsburgh...two of those teams WILL miss the playoffs, and they're good (decent in the case of K.C.) teams.

 

 

You can't say that about Dallas and the Giants. Giants beat the Broncos and Chiefs. Dallas beat the Chargers and Kansas City.You can't really say the Giants or any NFC East team can't beat the Bengals or Steelers because the NFC east didn't play that division. Both the Cowboys and Giants took out 2 of the top 3 teams in the AFC west.

 

They were missing Antonio Gates big time. The Philadelphia loss is inexcusable however...

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

The best offensive plays Vick had last night was with his feet. But he refused to tuck and go after that because he is still trying to show he is a pocket QB. Thats like Dirk saying he won't take jumpshots anymore because he was to be a more convential 7 foot guy in the NBA. You use what makes you unique and the ability to run a 4.3 at the QB postition is what does it.

 

I think what stopped Vick from running more was the fact he was getting drilled badly by Urlacher and co. Trust me, against the Bears, it's much safer to try to stay in the pocket, and even then, it's not all that safe.

[jwpeer 0]

It's just a telling situation that the top two teams in the NFC North scored a combined 6 points against the steelers in back to back weeks

 

That's just not even accurate.

 

 

I apologize, chicago scored 6 points in garbage time on pittsburgh after I had turned the game off. so it's a combined 12 points, 6 of which aren't even relevant. The reality of the situation remains the same.

[jwpeer 0]

You can't say that about Dallas and the Giants. Giants beat the Broncos and Chiefs. Dallas beat the Chargers and Kansas City.You can't really say the Giants or any NFC East team can't beat the Bengals or Steelers because the NFC east didn't play that division. Both the Cowboys and Giants took out 2 of the top 3 teams in the AFC west.

 

 

You really think that the NFC East teams are so good as to be able to compete with the top AFC teams.

 

In the Giants I see a WILDLY inconsistent team with a happy foot quarterback that would throw 6 int's to cinci and get sacked 6 times by the steelers. Dallas would have the same results because they have NO offensive tackles that can play worth a damn right now, hence why Washington destroyed them. And Washington is almost exactly like the bears, without as good of a defense.

 

The AFC North and the AFC South are the two strongest at the top divisions in football. Indy, Cinci, Jax, and Pit (in that order) are imho the 4 best TEAMS in football. Cleveland is a decent team too that suffers from having to play Pit AND cinci twice (imagine if the brownies got to play detroit and GB twice instead...they could be winning the NFC north.) Tennessee is much like Cleveland not a terrible team either, just young.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Hell, even if it was upper 30s that is still too cold for the Bucs. Aren't they like 2-100 lifetime when it's below 40 degrees? Add in Chris Simms and you had to figure they'd get killed. Besides, this team lost to the Jets and Niners this year, so you have to wonder about how good they really are.

 

Look, it needs to be said right now: The Patriots aren't going to the Super Bowl. I'd like to know how in the hell they are going to beat Jacksonville (at home), then the Colts on the road, and then the winner of Cincy/Denver most likely, also on the road. I mean shit I have them losing the first round to Jacksonville, who unlike the Bucs won't be as crappy in cold weather. If they beat Jacksonville it'll be on some Vinatieri FG in the last 2:00. Then the next week--if they advance--the Colts would surely beat their asses.

The "team can't win when it's a certain temperature" thing is such bullshit it's not even funny. Know why the Bucs had a piss-poor record when it was cold? Because they were a horrible, untalented team for 2 decades. Know why they lost on Saturday? Because Williams couldn't get a decent run off & Simms was under attack by a front 7 that dominated the Bucs OL. Not because it was too chilly for the Bucs.

 

And RE: the Pats chances of going to the Super Bowl ... even most die-hard fans admit it's unlikely. But I personally think that they're going to be favored versus Jax in the wild card game, and will likely win (although not cover, for the gamblers out there). You ask how they're going to beat Jacksonville, I say by stopping the run and putting it all on a young QB to beat them. And if it happens that they win by "some Vinatieri FG in the last 2:00" ... you don't get extra wins for winning big. Winning by a FG in the closing seconds is good enough for me.

 

And I can't help but remember last year's postseason, when both the Colts & the Steelers were supposed to destroy NE. How many points did Indy's record-setting offense put up last year again? Not enough to win. Is there a chance that the Pats could go into RCA and get destroyed? Yes, there's a very good chance. But is there a chance that the Pats might actually beat the Colts? Yes.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I think the only cold game Tampa ever won was the '02 NFC title game.

 

That's not entirely fair though as for most of their existence they just plain sucked, cold or warm.

 

They also beat the Bears at the end of that same season (I think it was Week 17 actually).

 

I don't think New England is consistant enough this year to win the three games required to get to the Super Bowl, but they certainly have the potential to knock off the #1 or #2 seed in the Divisional Playoffs and thus be a big factor in this post-season. Imagine if they beat the Colts?

Edited December 19, 2005 by Kahran Ramsus

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Hell, even if it was upper 30s that is still too cold for the Bucs. Aren't they like 2-100 lifetime when it's below 40 degrees? Add in Chris Simms and you had to figure they'd get killed. Besides, this team lost to the Jets and Niners this year, so you have to wonder about how good they really are.

 

Look, it needs to be said right now: The Patriots aren't going to the Super Bowl. I'd like to know how in the hell they are going to beat Jacksonville (at home), then the Colts on the road, and then the winner of Cincy/Denver most likely, also on the road. I mean shit I have them losing the first round to Jacksonville, who unlike the Bucs won't be as crappy in cold weather. If they beat Jacksonville it'll be on some Vinatieri FG in the last 2:00. Then the next week--if they advance--the Colts would surely beat their asses.

The "team can't win when it's a certain temperature" thing is such bullshit it's not even funny. Know why the Bucs had a piss-poor record when it was cold? Because they were a horrible, untalented team for 2 decades. Know why they lost on Saturday? Because Williams couldn't get a decent run off & Simms was under attack by a front 7 that dominated the Bucs OL. Not because it was too chilly for the Bucs.

 

And RE: the Pats chances of going to the Super Bowl ... even most die-hard fans admit it's unlikely. But I personally think that they're going to be favored versus Jax in the wild card game, and will likely win (although not cover, for the gamblers out there). You ask how they're going to beat Jacksonville, I say by stopping the run and putting it all on a young QB to beat them. And if it happens that they win by "some Vinatieri FG in the last 2:00" ... you don't get extra wins for winning big. Winning by a FG in the closing seconds is good enough for me.

 

And I can't help but remember last year's postseason, when both the Colts & the Steelers were supposed to destroy NE. How many points did Indy's record-setting offense put up last year again? Not enough to win. Is there a chance that the Pats could go into RCA and get destroyed? Yes, there's a very good chance. But is there a chance that the Pats might actually beat the Colts? Yes.

 

I don't see why the Pats can't beat the Colts. Seymour is back, isn't he? Colvin is doing well for now and the defense seems to have gotten rolling again. I'm also pretty sure Belichick would love to knock Indy off again to pad his "GENIUS!!!" status.

[mike546 0]

What is it with the idea the Giants have a terrible O-Line? Beside taking penalties, the O-Line is terrific. Eli has only been sacked 25 times this year. They do a terrific job at run blocking. I don't know about other teams, but I could definitley see the Giants hanging tough in a shootout with the Bengals.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

What is it with the idea the Giants have a terrible O-Line? Beside taking penalties, the O-Line is terrific. Eli has only been sacked 25 times this year. They do a terrific job at run blocking. I don't know about other teams, but I could definitley see the Giants hanging tough in a shootout with the Bengals.

 

That's really funny. No way does New York "hang tough" vs Cincy. It'd be like 42-17 at worst and 35-24 at best.